Guest shiloh357 Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 4 minutes ago, Pudgenik said: The RCC has done some really stupid things. But on the other hand, God has done many miracles through those Catholics to. No, he hasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pudgenik Posted October 20, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 616 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 155 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/15/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted October 20, 2017 3 hours ago, John Robinson said: I'd rather be shot in the head and go home to glory before I re-schackled myself to the Law. What a dark, miserable, hopeless way to "live." To always wonder if I just broke an OT law (there are over 600, so the odds against me aren't good), to never have sure footing of my salvation, to forever tremble at the thought that this time I've blown it for real? Uh, no. Thank GOD for the cross, and the Blood that seals me forever! Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted October 20, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.81 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 20, 2017 8 minutes ago, Davida said: What miracles? I would like to know that as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pudgenik Posted October 20, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 616 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 155 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/15/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted October 20, 2017 3 hours ago, da_man1974 said: Agreed. But there are many instances where they are not contradicting. It's just a different interpretation. Another example. The church I go to now takes communion every Sunday. The church I used to go to only did it once per month. Is one of these churches teaching a false doctrine? No, neither are teaching a false doctrine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pudgenik Posted October 20, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 17 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 616 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 155 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/15/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted October 20, 2017 3 hours ago, OneLight said: I thought about staying out of this conversation as it is a circle game based in the post modern mindset - "What it true for you may not be true for me, and what is true for me may not be true for you." - lacking the basic foundation from scripture by adding other documents to be seen as equal to scripture, promoting their truths as "the truth" to them, even if you don't agree. How sad has His body become when there are no absolutes. There are some who place a higher value on science than they do scripture, believing that science is the final word of what is fact and what is not. They seem to come across in a way that science has reached a certain plateau of knowledge and they have to be taken as the final word without realizing, or at least, without admitting that science has proven itself wrong before and that knowledge keeps growing, so what is seen as a final word today can easily be proven incorrect tomorrow. One example is believing that we know everything there is to know about DNA, that all DNA has been collected, so any other DNA not classified has to be alien in some way, which is a partial truth ... it is alien to that days scientific understanding of DNA. Instead of people from the science group admitting that science is not perfect and that their modernistic mindset is also not perfect, they try to prove their findings with calculations, theories, equations, knowledge ... leaning on the understanding from man and not God. Instead of those who come here with controversial theories based on science being willing to admit that not all the facts are known, claiming that one has to discard the "other side" of the debate in order to hold to their idea of what is true, they are considering anyone who disagrees with them as harassing and attacking them and not their theories, making it a personal fight. Then there are others who believe they are so better connected with the Holy Spirit that only they can be trusted with a specific vision or level of understanding. These will come right out and admit that others are childlike in their understanding, placing themselves above everyone else. Thing is, God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. He does not change and neither does His truth. I fail to see in scripture where the Holy Spirit will teach us anything outside of the truth that is already available, in other words, contradicting scripture itself with any new revelation. I do see He is here to help us understand the words given to us in scripture. So, with this in mind, what is false teaching and what is the measuring rod in determining that a teaching is false? If you look beyond the 66 books of the Bible for truth, then you are looking elsewhere for your foundation for truth. Even those who add the discarded book that once was in some Bibles must agree that the 66 book in the Bible are also in the Bibles that expand beyond the 66 books. Is it so hard to accept that the 66 books are enough to find His truth, or is there a reason why these 66 books are not enough? Do all people who come here with false teaching do so for monitory profit? Absolutely not as that is a blanket statement and blanket statements usually are proven to be wrong themselves. Some come here with their teaching because they believe they have superior understanding and want to share this understanding. There is no profit in this for them besides believing they are honoring the very God of their foundation, even though they have strayed from the truth found in the 66 books of scripture. Some come here claiming to have a vision or a prophecy and want to share their new understanding. Some others come here after they believe they are being shown something special by the Holy Spirit, thinking that they also are given this new knowledge to share, which is their duty. Then there are others who come here to make a profit, selling their ideas in books, dvd's and cd's that detail their false teaching ... those are truly false teachers, while some from the other groups can only be deceived ... the question if they are deceived is if they will accept correction. False teachers do teach false doctrine and they do need to be corrected, but when does one determine if the person is indeed a true false teacher? Is it as simple as if I don't agree with what you say you are a false teacher? I hope not as we do not hold to perfect truth either and will have to consider ourselves a false teacher when we learn from our mistakes. So, when can that title be established about another member? I would say, and this is just me, that when one comes here with a mindset that if people do not agree with them, then they are in error and have to be corrected after they are shown by others that they are themselves in error. In the past, that is known as an unteachable spirit. The minute we are so steadfast in our ways that we cannot be corrected, that in itself should be considered as false teaching, and if we refuse correction from scripture, then we have become a false teacher. Instead of people from steadfast beliefs in the denomination doctrine coming here to discuss and learn, they come here to correct and teach. If we were to look at all of their denominational doctrine, instead of one or two specific doctrines, they would find more common ground to agree on than not. Should our focus be on the false teacher or on the false teaching? I would say the teaching, as once the teaching is proven to be in error, the later follows automatically. Yet, when we focus on the person and not the teaching, we violate the Terms we agreed to when becoming a member. When this happens, even if the person is correct in their evaluation, they will be removed from the conversation. Why is that? Simple, when someone is personally attacked, a wall goes up and it becomes a personal war to fight to prove they are right and you are wrong., removing any chance in showing the other their error. The TOS is not the final word in what is true; it is a guideline as to how this site is to operate from the top down. So, yes, there will be false teaching, heresies, false prophecies, etc. that come here from the world as the world becomes more wicked every day it continues. What are we to do with these? Show them the truth, learning how to defend the truth in the face of a lie or misunderstanding as we ourselves search the 66 agreed to books of the Bible for truth. You see, the bible does not contradict itself, we force a contradiction through our own understanding and theology, which is why we all need to listen twice as much as we speak. God did give us two eyes, two ears and only one mouth. It was said to me that this ministry is here to help others grow in their walk in Christ, continuously searching the scriptures to learn, using what they learn to discuss what others come here to teach to see if what they are hearing is true or not ... yup, to be like the Barean. So, I suggest that when one comes here to share their understanding, they do so with a teachable spirit, realizing that not one of us has the final say on what is truth. With this in mind, know the TOS and follow it. By doing so, discussion can lead to correction. Not following the TOS will more then likely get one removed from a discussion, loosing the chance to help another find the truth. When it becomes apparent that this will not happen, report the thread instead of taking the step into personal attacks and name calling. Very good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sower Posted October 20, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 14 Topic Count: 32 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,247 Content Per Day: 0.97 Reputation: 5,851 Days Won: 1 Joined: 07/09/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted October 20, 2017 (edited) 22 hours ago, Davida said: Some here actually fight against the ones giving truth & challenging false hoods of others. I believe it's a lost cause and sometimes feel like deleting all of my posts and leaving. Gal_6:9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not. This scripture came to me Davida, when I say your post above. I feel your frustration (and others). Decided to ck the context, and thought the the rest of the verses were appropriate for the direction of this discussion. Gal 6:1-10 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ. For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself. But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another. For every man shall bear his own burden. Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things. Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not. As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith. Edited October 20, 2017 by Gary Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted October 20, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.88 Content Count: 43,795 Content Per Day: 6.21 Reputation: 11,243 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted October 20, 2017 5 hours ago, Pudgenik said: I'm not afraid. I hear it often here. When I look at the Protestant Churches, I see them as my brothers in Christ. One of the areas I feel they have not been preaching much on, and I think it is Very important, is the Blood of the Lamb. It is rare now to hear a sermon on this. Many sermons are all focused on the rapture, with much anticipation to leave the planet. My personal opinion is, this rapture teaching is taking away time that should be spent on teaching the words of Jesus Himself. I have not once heard a sermon on rapture in any church Ive attended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appy Posted October 20, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 23 Topic Count: 133 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,864 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 2,596 Days Won: 2 Joined: 08/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted October 20, 2017 Whether a church practices baptism or not is a minor issue and is not a real big concern. What is a huge concern and disturbing is all the new age garbage that is being pushed. As well as stuff that is non biblical that is being pushed that leads people away from the truth. There is a sudden influx of stuff that is posted for the purpose of seeing how many people will respond to purposefully posted stupidity that even unbelievers recognize as stupidity. None of this stuff ministers to the lost or helps others grow in Christ. A lot of it is coming from both believer's and unbelievers alike. There are people who profess to be Christians that post endless stuff just to heckle others; whatever gives them entertainment or the giggles. And they are quite proud of themselves. They need to realize that even Christians are going to give an accounting of themselves to God for every deed and word. A good question to ask yourselves. . . what have you done with the light, God gave you. Those who see themselves as teachers have a bigger responsibility to get things right than those who are interested in simply learning and growing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
When Is Jesus Coming? Posted October 20, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 505 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 299 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/19/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted October 20, 2017 14 hours ago, Davida said: The head strong or stubborn don't submit to the authority that the Bible teaches we are to follow. They go their own way and often misquote and misuse scripture saying they are only to follow Jesus as the Shepherd but Jesus preached the full Word of God, so we are to follow/ obey the Word of God which our Lord Jesus told us to do. For eg, in the Word it tells us Jesus appointed Paul to be the evangelist to the gentiles but some like to disregard the books Paul wrote & therefore they chose not to follow Jesus. Some reject the authority the LORD God laid out for us to follow in His Word, who are to be teachers, Pastors, etc....understandably there are problems with heresy in the denominations , but good Biblical Churches still exist & should be attended. We are told to be planted to grow spiritually and to work/serve in our local churches/assemblies. As part of the body of believers our individual spiritual gifts are for eg, for use to serve the Body of Christ in our local church, not ourselves. 1Tim 3:1-7 , Tim 3:8-12 , Acts 14:23, Ephesians 1:22, 5:23,5:27, Colossians 1:18 I agree with this 2nd statement but would point out that only Jesus our Shepard could make the judgement as to which church/s would be the good ones to attend. In Revelation He said only two churches of the seven were good for example. As subjective humans we can only make 'general' judgements but I agree with you basic premise that we should attend church, however I would also say that no matter which church we go to, it's going to be flawed to one degree or another. I personally don't stick to one particular church for this reason but go to many and attend any church which I believe the Holy Spirit has lead me to more often. Thanks for your reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted October 20, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,143 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,438 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted October 20, 2017 8 minutes ago, When Is Jesus Coming? said: I agree with this 2nd statement but would point out that only Jesus our Shepard could make the judgement as to which church/s would be the good ones to attend. In Revelation He said only two churches of the seven were good for example. As subjective humans we can only make 'general' judgements but I agree with you basic premise that we should attend church, however I would also say that no matter which church we go to, it's going to be flawed to one degree or another. I personally don't stick to one particular church for this reason but go to many and attend any church which I believe the Holy Spirit has lead me to more often. Thanks for your reply. Subjectivity has no foundation to the Objective Word of God.... it is upon this Rock of Scripture that we find truth that resonates in the very fabric of Life! The promise fulfilled from here John 8:31 (KJV) [31] Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; [32] And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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