TheMatrixHasU71 Posted October 20, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,573 Content Per Day: 0.51 Reputation: 723 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted October 20, 2017 15 hours ago, brakelite said: Where is the "thus sayeth the Lord" that directly and succinctly counters the 4th commandment? Hmmm....then are you calling the Bible, the Word of God a lie when it says that the Lord rose on a Sunday? And what about this..... Colossians 2:16 | Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMatrixHasU71 Posted October 20, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,573 Content Per Day: 0.51 Reputation: 723 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted October 20, 2017 22 hours ago, Justin Adams said: I think you are incorrect. If you look at the two Sabbaths of that week, during which 14th Nissan, the Passover, the unleavened bread feast, and the Jewish time-line you will find it different. Sorry, no....A Saturday resurrection is actually of pagan origin (Hyslop, Two Babylons). The Crucifixion ended in the middle of the afternoon the day before the Sabbath, a few hours before Sabbath sundown. Get off the RCG or Doug Batchelor SDA stuff you are being deceived by liars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted October 20, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 25 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,605 Content Per Day: 3.97 Reputation: 7,795 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Online Share Posted October 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, TheMatrixHasU71 said: Hmmm....then are you calling the Bible, the Word of God a lie when it says that the Lord rose on a Sunday? And what about this..... Colossians 2:16 | Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Maybe check out Young's Literal. Mia ton sabbaton... the second Sabbath. No where is it stated that He rose on the first day of the week, it just say THEY WENT TO THE TOMB AND HE WAS NOT THERE. (I did not post the chart, since someone objected to that.) "Jesus did not rise on Sunday morning, the bible says that He already “was risen” by the time Sunday morning rolled around. Read it for yourself: “NOW WHEN JESUS WAS RISEN EARLY THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK, HE APPEARED FIRST TO MARY MAGDALENE, OUT OF WHOM HE HAD CAST SEVEN DEVILS.” MARK 16:9 “IN THE END OF THE SABBATH, AS IT BEGAN TO DAWN TOWARD THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK, CAME MARY MAGDALENE AND THE OTHER MARY TO SEE THE SEPULCHRE.” “HE IS NOT HERE: FOR HE IS RISEN, AS HE SAID. COME, SEE THE PLACE WHERE THE LORD LAY.” – MATTHEW 28:1,6 In all the gospel accounts, Jesus is already risen on Sunday morning. There is no account of His rising at that time, it has already happened. So if the Roman Catholic timeline is followed, you would have at the most 30 hours of elapsed time. Not even close enough to the “3 days and 3 nights” that Jesus Himself said would transpire. The Jewish Day Still Starts The Way It Did In Genesis When God Created It In the first chapter of Genesis, we see God creating our 24 day, made up of 12 hours of “evening”, and 12 hours of “morning. This is exactly how we still chart time here in 2014. But the bible says that God started the day at 6:00 P.M. Make a mental note of that because when we come back to this point in just a bit, you’re going to need to remember it. Jesus says in Matthew that His crucifixion, death, burial and resurrection would match that of what happened to the prophet Jonah in the Old Testament. Here it is: “FOR AS JONAS WAS THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE WHALE’S BELLY; SO SHALL THE SON OF MAN BE THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE HEART OF THE EARTH.” MATTHEW 12:40 There you have it, the required time mandated by Jesus Himself is 3 full days, and 3 full nights. Jesus was crucified on Wednesday morning, and taken down off the cross before sundown at 6:00 P.M. when Thursday would begin. To us that’s still Wednesday night, but the on the Jewish calendar, 6:00 P.M. starts the next day. “WHEN JESUS THEREFORE HAD RECEIVED THE VINEGAR, HE SAID, IT IS FINISHED: AND HE BOWED HIS HEAD, AND GAVE UP THE GHOST. THE JEWS THEREFORE, BECAUSE IT WAS THE PREPARATION, THAT THE BODIES SHOULD NOT REMAIN UPON THE CROSS ON THE SABBATH DAY, (FOR THAT SABBATH DAY WAS AN HIGH DAY,) BESOUGHT PILATE THAT THEIR LEGS MIGHT BE BROKEN, AND THAT THEY MIGHT BE TAKEN AWAY.” JOHN 19:31.32 The Two Sabbath Days Now please note the phrase “that sabbath day was on a high day”. This is not the regular Saturday sabbath day, it is a special, high sabbath day. What was so special about this “high day”? It was the Passover! This Passover fell on the Thursday and was followed by the days of unleavened bread as found in Leviticus: “IN THE FOURTEENTH DAY OF THE FIRST MONTH AT EVEN IS THE LORD’S PASSOVER. AND ON THE FIFTEENTH DAY OF THE SAME MONTH IS THE FEAST OF UNLEAVENED BREAD UNTO THE LORD: SEVEN DAYS YE MUST EAT UNLEAVENED BREAD. IN THE FIRST DAY YE SHALL HAVE AN HOLY CONVOCATION: YE SHALL DO NO SERVILE WORK THEREIN.” LEVITICUS 23:5-7 Editor’s Note: Now that you see that the Passover was on a Thursday, the age-old Pascha-Passover controversy has also been solved. In the King James Bible, Acts 12:4 uses the word “Easter” instead of the word “Pascha”, which means Passover. Which is precisely what Luke was referring to, the pagan holiday of Easter on that Saturday, and not the Jewish Passover which had already finished. Acts 12:3 says that Peter was taken during the “days of unleavened bread”, right? “AND BECAUSE HE SAW IT PLEASED THE JEWS, HE PROCEEDED FURTHER TO TAKE PETER ALSO. (THEN WERE THE DAYS OF UNLEAVENED BREAD.)” ACTS 12:3 Well, I just showed you that according to the Old Testament, the “days of unleavened bread” came after the Passover. So in Acts 12: 4, Luke rightly records it as being Easter and not the Passover which had already expired. (See how simple it is when you actually believe what you read where you read it?). Now, let’s get back to those 3 days and 3 nights. He Arose! Remember now, in the week Jesus was crucified there are two sabbath days, not only one. You have the high Sabbath day on Thursday, which was the Passover. And you have the regular Sabbath day which fell on Saturday as they do each week at the end of the week. Mark records it this way: “AND WHEN THE SABBATH WAS PAST, MARY MAGDALENE, AND MARY THE MOTHER OF JAMES, AND SALOME, HAD BOUGHT SWEET SPICES, THAT THEY MIGHT COME AND ANOINT HIM. AND VERY EARLY IN THE MORNING THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK, THEY CAME UNTO THE SEPULCHRE AT THE RISING OF THE SUN.” MARK 16:1,2 When the ladies brought the spices, it was after the High Sabbath day of Passover. It was not after the regular Sabbath day on Saturday. They brought the spices on Friday. The first day of the week is not Monday, but rather it’s Sunday. Saturday being the last day of the week, the day God rested from all His labors. So as the two Marys coming to see the body and mourn at sunrise Jesus was not “rising”, but rather had already risen. “AND HE SAITH UNTO THEM, BE NOT AFFRIGHTED: YE SEEK JESUS OF NAZARETH, WHICH WAS CRUCIFIED: HE IS RISEN; HE IS NOT HERE: BEHOLD THE PLACE WHERE THEY LAID HIM.” MARK 16:6 A Quick Review Of The Timeline Jesus crucified on the cross 9:00 A.M Wednesday morning Taken down off the cross at sundown Buried for 3 nights – Wednesday, Thursday and Friday Passover, the high Sabbath day on Thursday Buried for 3 days – Thursday, Friday and Saturday The regular Saturday sabbath day Jesus rose from the grave Saturday night at 6:00 P.M. – the start of the first day of the week, Sunday Tomb is empty before the sun rises on Sunday when people start arriving Now we have the fulfillment of Jesus’ prophecy to be ” in the heart of the earth” for “3 days and 3 nights”. The Roman Catholic timeline is short by nearly two full days, because they fail to see the two Sabbath days that occurred. They only see the one on Saturday. They also fail to understand the Jewish calendar and how their days were set up according to Genesis 1. When you realize that at 6:00 P.M. the current day ends and the new one starts, that changes just about everything when you’re trying to make a time line. How can your timeline be right when you don’t even know what time it is? So while you spend today observing “Good Friday”, just keep in mind that you’ve already missed the day of His passion by two whole days. That is, if you’re a bible believer." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted October 20, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 25 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,605 Content Per Day: 3.97 Reputation: 7,795 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Online Share Posted October 20, 2017 7 minutes ago, TheMatrixHasU71 said: Sorry, no....A Saturday resurrection is actually of pagan origin (Hyslop, Two Babylons). The Crucifixion ended in the middle of the afternoon the day before the Sabbath, a few hours before Sabbath sundown. Get off the RCG or Doug Batchelor SDA stuff you are being deceived by liars. Peace: I suggest you study it really hard before hip-shooting from poor understandings. I wish you had read what I actually said. I am on no ones bandwagon either. Some 'thought police' often think there is a conspiracy. Heresy hunters are really sad people. I actually think for myself quite often.... I am even doing that now! These are just plan facts that have taken me years of study to compile. 14th Nisan on thru... By the way, we do not call it 'saturn's day'. We call it Sabbath. And yes, a little before the evening or end of the second (and) weekly Sabbath, Yeshua was resurrected. He was there for three days and three nights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMatrixHasU71 Posted October 20, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,573 Content Per Day: 0.51 Reputation: 723 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted October 20, 2017 31 minutes ago, Justin Adams said: Maybe check out Young's Literal. Mia ton sabbaton... the second Sabbath. No where is it stated that He rose on the first day of the week, it just say THEY WENT TO THE TOMB AND HE WAS NOT THERE. (I did not post the chart, since someone objected to that.) "Jesus did not rise on Sunday morning, the bible says that He already “was risen” by the time Sunday morning rolled around. Read it for yourself: “NOW WHEN JESUS WAS RISEN EARLY THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK, HE APPEARED FIRST TO MARY MAGDALENE, OUT OF WHOM HE HAD CAST SEVEN DEVILS.” MARK 16:9 “IN THE END OF THE SABBATH, AS IT BEGAN TO DAWN TOWARD THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK, CAME MARY MAGDALENE AND THE OTHER MARY TO SEE THE SEPULCHRE.” “HE IS NOT HERE: FOR HE IS RISEN, AS HE SAID. COME, SEE THE PLACE WHERE THE LORD LAY.” – MATTHEW 28:1,6 In all the gospel accounts, Jesus is already risen on Sunday morning. There is no account of His rising at that time, it has already happened. So if the Roman Catholic timeline is followed, you would have at the most 30 hours of elapsed time. Not even close enough to the “3 days and 3 nights” that Jesus Himself said would transpire. The Jewish Day Still Starts The Way It Did In Genesis When God Created It In the first chapter of Genesis, we see God creating our 24 day, made up of 12 hours of “evening”, and 12 hours of “morning. This is exactly how we still chart time here in 2014. But the bible says that God started the day at 6:00 P.M. Make a mental note of that because when we come back to this point in just a bit, you’re going to need to remember it. Jesus says in Matthew that His crucifixion, death, burial and resurrection would match that of what happened to the prophet Jonah in the Old Testament. Here it is: “FOR AS JONAS WAS THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE WHALE’S BELLY; SO SHALL THE SON OF MAN BE THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE HEART OF THE EARTH.” MATTHEW 12:40 There you have it, the required time mandated by Jesus Himself is 3 full days, and 3 full nights. Jesus was crucified on Wednesday morning, and taken down off the cross before sundown at 6:00 P.M. when Thursday would begin. To us that’s still Wednesday night, but the on the Jewish calendar, 6:00 P.M. starts the next day. “WHEN JESUS THEREFORE HAD RECEIVED THE VINEGAR, HE SAID, IT IS FINISHED: AND HE BOWED HIS HEAD, AND GAVE UP THE GHOST. THE JEWS THEREFORE, BECAUSE IT WAS THE PREPARATION, THAT THE BODIES SHOULD NOT REMAIN UPON THE CROSS ON THE SABBATH DAY, (FOR THAT SABBATH DAY WAS AN HIGH DAY,) BESOUGHT PILATE THAT THEIR LEGS MIGHT BE BROKEN, AND THAT THEY MIGHT BE TAKEN AWAY.” JOHN 19:31.32 The Two Sabbath Days Now please note the phrase “that sabbath day was on a high day”. This is not the regular Saturday sabbath day, it is a special, high sabbath day. What was so special about this “high day”? It was the Passover! This Passover fell on the Thursday and was followed by the days of unleavened bread as found in Leviticus: “IN THE FOURTEENTH DAY OF THE FIRST MONTH AT EVEN IS THE LORD’S PASSOVER. AND ON THE FIFTEENTH DAY OF THE SAME MONTH IS THE FEAST OF UNLEAVENED BREAD UNTO THE LORD: SEVEN DAYS YE MUST EAT UNLEAVENED BREAD. IN THE FIRST DAY YE SHALL HAVE AN HOLY CONVOCATION: YE SHALL DO NO SERVILE WORK THEREIN.” LEVITICUS 23:5-7 Editor’s Note: Now that you see that the Passover was on a Thursday, the age-old Pascha-Passover controversy has also been solved. In the King James Bible, Acts 12:4 uses the word “Easter” instead of the word “Pascha”, which means Passover. Which is precisely what Luke was referring to, the pagan holiday of Easter on that Saturday, and not the Jewish Passover which had already finished. Acts 12:3 says that Peter was taken during the “days of unleavened bread”, right? “AND BECAUSE HE SAW IT PLEASED THE JEWS, HE PROCEEDED FURTHER TO TAKE PETER ALSO. (THEN WERE THE DAYS OF UNLEAVENED BREAD.)” ACTS 12:3 Well, I just showed you that according to the Old Testament, the “days of unleavened bread” came after the Passover. So in Acts 12: 4, Luke rightly records it as being Easter and not the Passover which had already expired. (See how simple it is when you actually believe what you read where you read it?). Now, let’s get back to those 3 days and 3 nights. He Arose! Remember now, in the week Jesus was crucified there are two sabbath days, not only one. You have the high Sabbath day on Thursday, which was the Passover. And you have the regular Sabbath day which fell on Saturday as they do each week at the end of the week. Mark records it this way: “AND WHEN THE SABBATH WAS PAST, MARY MAGDALENE, AND MARY THE MOTHER OF JAMES, AND SALOME, HAD BOUGHT SWEET SPICES, THAT THEY MIGHT COME AND ANOINT HIM. AND VERY EARLY IN THE MORNING THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK, THEY CAME UNTO THE SEPULCHRE AT THE RISING OF THE SUN.” MARK 16:1,2 When the ladies brought the spices, it was after the High Sabbath day of Passover. It was not after the regular Sabbath day on Saturday. They brought the spices on Friday. The first day of the week is not Monday, but rather it’s Sunday. Saturday being the last day of the week, the day God rested from all His labors. So as the two Marys coming to see the body and mourn at sunrise Jesus was not “rising”, but rather had already risen. “AND HE SAITH UNTO THEM, BE NOT AFFRIGHTED: YE SEEK JESUS OF NAZARETH, WHICH WAS CRUCIFIED: HE IS RISEN; HE IS NOT HERE: BEHOLD THE PLACE WHERE THEY LAID HIM.” MARK 16:6 A Quick Review Of The Timeline Jesus crucified on the cross 9:00 A.M Wednesday morning Taken down off the cross at sundown Buried for 3 nights – Wednesday, Thursday and Friday Passover, the high Sabbath day on Thursday Buried for 3 days – Thursday, Friday and Saturday The regular Saturday sabbath day Jesus rose from the grave Saturday night at 6:00 P.M. – the start of the first day of the week, Sunday Tomb is empty before the sun rises on Sunday when people start arriving Now we have the fulfillment of Jesus’ prophecy to be ” in the heart of the earth” for “3 days and 3 nights”. The Roman Catholic timeline is short by nearly two full days, because they fail to see the two Sabbath days that occurred. They only see the one on Saturday. They also fail to understand the Jewish calendar and how their days were set up according to Genesis 1. When you realize that at 6:00 P.M. the current day ends and the new one starts, that changes just about everything when you’re trying to make a time line. How can your timeline be right when you don’t even know what time it is? So while you spend today observing “Good Friday”, just keep in mind that you’ve already missed the day of His passion by two whole days. That is, if you’re a bible believer." Sorry that is all wrong. The idea of Jesus' resurrection on what we could call Saturday is purely Pagan Saturn worship. 3 days and 3 nights isnt always meant to be taken literally. This site explains it nicely https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/book/e/81/t/three-days-and-three-nights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMatrixHasU71 Posted October 20, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,573 Content Per Day: 0.51 Reputation: 723 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted October 20, 2017 24 minutes ago, Justin Adams said: I suggest you study it really hard before hip-shooting from poor understandings. I am not shooting from the hip here. I have been studying the Scriptures for over 20 years now also using the best commentaries (and best teachers) on the subject. Not having a computer of my own (and therefore not having enough time to really explain myself well) means my thoughts may not always come out the way I want them too but I am not making this stuff up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted October 20, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 25 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,605 Content Per Day: 3.97 Reputation: 7,795 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Online Share Posted October 20, 2017 1 minute ago, TheMatrixHasU71 said: Sorry that is all wrong. The idea of Jesus' resurrection on what we could call Saturday is purely Pagan Saturn worship. 3 days and 3 nights isnt always meant to be taken literally. This site explains it nicely https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/book/e/81/t/three-days-and-three-nights Peace: For so many years this has been twisted from plain simple truth as I stated. I have used my own God given intelligence, not some website. It is as I have stated. I suggest you study it with an open mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMatrixHasU71 Posted October 20, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,573 Content Per Day: 0.51 Reputation: 723 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted October 20, 2017 17 minutes ago, Justin Adams said: Peace: For so many years this has been twisted from plain simple truth as I stated. I have used my own God given intelligence, not some website. It is as I have stated. I suggest you study it with an open mind. Try reading the site before you knock it......I only used it because as I said I dont have the time to get my thoughts out in as reasonable an order as I would like. Personally too, I find with bible commentaries the older the better. I use Cottage bibles that are 170 years old and bible commentaries like Charles Henry Mackintosh, a late 19th Century writer who could have been writing for today since he also talks about the Rapture (something little understood back then) and even the genesis of the prosperity gospel. It also speaks of how the Sunday worship is ordained for Christians even though the Saturday Sabbath hasnt changed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted October 20, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 25 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,605 Content Per Day: 3.97 Reputation: 7,795 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Online Share Posted October 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, TheMatrixHasU71 said: I am not shooting from the hip here. I have been studying the Scriptures for over 20 years now also using the best commentaries (and best teachers) on the subject. Not having a computer of my own (and therefore not having enough time to really explain myself well) means my thoughts may not always come out the way I want them too but I am not making this stuff up. I understand you. The last thing I would want to do is discourage you one tiny bit. Keep studying. Check out the Israeli feast days and how they fall into place in God's prophesies, including the SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT event: the Crucifixion. See how the early Jew-hating people attempted to discredit everything Jewish. And by default, everything Christian was also affected and 'modified' to suit them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Teditis Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 I don't think that the "early church fathers" hated Jews... but they did see the way that the Jews persecuted the early church and they also put the bulk of the blame on the "Jews" for the death of Jesus. The Apostles saw that many of the older Jewish Holy Days were a shadow of Jesus and therefore were okay with moving beyond those things as God dictated. So, as Jesus rose on Sunday... it was acceptable to honor that day and Passover took a "back-seat" to the Pascal holy day(s). This stuff was much discussed in early Christian history and is documented... we can read about the change in zeitgeist. Also, they witnessed the end of the Jewish age, as predicted in Scripture, and decided to move forward from that into a new Covenant period. Christians adopted new Holy Days and explained their meanings as time went on... there is nothing "false" about those newer ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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