Justin Adams Posted November 4, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 26 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,604 Content Per Day: 3.99 Reputation: 7,795 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted November 4, 2017 If by your witness others do what you know is wrong, even if they do not, then who is held responsible? Mill-Stone necklace, anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Justin Adams said: If by your witness others do what you know is wrong, even if they do not, then who is held responsible? Mill-Stone necklace, anyone? How is not keeping the Sabbath day leading others astray and causing others to sin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brakelite Posted November 4, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 977 Content Per Day: 0.21 Reputation: 641 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/15/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted November 4, 2017 4 minutes ago, shiloh357 said: So, it's only sin if you know it is sin? Do we let out children get away with doing wrong when they don't know, or think it is wrong? Is sin only sin when it bothers your conscience? So for those who are perfectly okay with Sunday observance and do not believe that the Sabbath is day is required of them despite being told by you and others like you that it IS required and is an indicator of salvation, and have no conviction in their heart that they should observe the Sabbath day, they are not sinning? The question is why do they not believe the Sabbath commandment to be in effect? They read it in the law...just as they read the 3rd or 5th commandments. They don't reject the other nine, so they must have good sound Biblical reasons for rejecting the 4th. If not...if their rejection of the 4th is based merely on assumptions, then... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 4 minutes ago, brakelite said: The question is why do they not believe the Sabbath commandment to be in effect? They read it in the law...just as they read the 3rd or 5th commandments. They don't reject the other nine, so they must have good sound Biblical reasons for rejecting the 4th. If not...if their rejection of the 4th is based merely on assumptions, then... You didn't answer the question.... If a Christian is told that they should keep the Sabbath day, and they reject that admonition and don't see it as having been given to the Church, then is that an indicator that such a person is not saved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted November 4, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 26 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,604 Content Per Day: 3.99 Reputation: 7,795 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted November 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, brakelite said: The question is why do they not believe the Sabbath commandment to be in effect? They read it in the law...just as they read the 3rd or 5th commandments. They don't reject the other nine, so they must have good sound Biblical reasons for rejecting the 4th. If not...if their rejection of the 4th is based merely on assumptions, then... Peace: Perhaps the Sabbath keeping is a real-world witness to the keeping of the others. Perhaps the first is also not kept, but who might see that except the Lord Himself? You cannot hide not keeping the Sabbath. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brakelite Posted November 4, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 23 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 977 Content Per Day: 0.21 Reputation: 641 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/15/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted November 4, 2017 10 minutes ago, shiloh357 said: You didn't answer the question.... If a Christian is told that they should keep the Sabbath day, and they reject that admonition and don't see it as having been given to the Church, then is that an indicator that such a person is not saved? Their salvation is not a matter between them and me...they need to convince God that Sabbath keeping is not for them. That is why the better have good sound reasons for that rejection. I have a great reason for obedience...a stone engraving by the very finger of God. Now it isn't up to me to judge ones salvation...that is beyond my pay grade. However, I have a testimony to share of my own conviction. Reject it if you wish. But like I saidb you best have very good reasons for doing so. Better than a table of stone inside the throne of God? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
When Is Jesus Coming? Posted November 4, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 505 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 299 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/19/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted November 4, 2017 1 hour ago, brakelite said: It may in time become for some a litmus test for obedience, just as Grahams offering of Isaac was for him a litmus test for obedience...but it was also a test of faith. Did Abraham believe God's promises? His obedience cried, "yes"! And his faith was counted as righteousness. I also believe Gods promises of Sabbath blessings if I obey His commandments. See Isaiah 58. My obedience is a reflection of my faith in God's promises. Yet it isn't even my faith. It's the faith OF Jesus. "Here are they that keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus" Rev. 14:12 So obedience is not a prerequisite to salvation. But disobedience cannot be the fruit of salvation. Honoring the 4th commandment is not nor ever has been a means or avenue toward justification...any more than is not commuting adultery or not killing anybody. Yet is one saved if he is a practicing serial killer knowing its wrong? The current week on our Gregorian calendar continued without break from the previous Julian calendar; from THURSDAY 4th October 1582 on the Julian calendar to FRIDAY 15th October 1582 on to the Gregorian calendar:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregorian_calendarHowever this calendar took hundreds of years to be accepted by other countries, England didn't accept the new Gregorian calendar till the 2nd September 1752):https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar...1752&country=9The Julian calendar began on the 1st January 45BC:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_calendarHowever this calendar also took hundreds of years to be accepted by other countries and over the 1st and 3rd centuries AD, the Roman Empire gradually replaced it's old 8 day Roman week calendar with this new 7 day week:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_calendarThe earliest evidence for this new 7 day week system is a Pompeiian graffito referring to the 6th February (viii idus Februarius) of the year AD 60 as dies solis ("Sunday"):https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_...ys_of_the_weekAlthough timeanddate.com says it was a Wednesday!:https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=60&country=9Now the 1st of January 1 AD was a SATURDAY: https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=1&country=9This matches Torahcalendar.com:http://www.torahcalendar.com/Calendar.asp?YM=Y-1M10Which would make the 1st of January 45 BC a FRIDAY:http://www.torahcalendar.com/Calendar.asp?YM=Y-46M10But what was the day before? Because the Romans were using an 8 day week calendar before this date and the days were not called Monday, Tuesday etc, but were listed as A, B, C, etc:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_calendarTherefore how on Earth can this Roman Pagan dating system invented be the Greek Mathematician Sosigenes have anything to do with the calendar the Jews and Israelites had been using for hundreds of years before Rome ever existed?If you want to keep thinking Saturday or Sunday is your special day then carry on ignoring all of this but if you want to know when the real Sabbath is then look here: https://guidetothebible.wordpress.com/sabbath-isnt-on-sun-or-sat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
When Is Jesus Coming? Posted November 4, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 505 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 299 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/19/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted November 4, 2017 22 minutes ago, Justin Adams said: Peace: Perhaps the Sabbath keeping is a real-world witness to the keeping of the others. Perhaps the first is also not kept, but who might see that except the Lord Himself? You cannot hide not keeping the Sabbath. The current week on our Gregorian calendar continued without break from the previous Julian calendar; from THURSDAY 4th October 1582 on the Julian calendar to FRIDAY 15th October 1582 on to the Gregorian calendar:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregorian_calendarHowever this calendar took hundreds of years to be accepted by other countries, England didn't accept the new Gregorian calendar till the 2nd September 1752):https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar...1752&country=9The Julian calendar began on the 1st January 45BC:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_calendarHowever this calendar also took hundreds of years to be accepted by other countries and over the 1st and 3rd centuries AD, the Roman Empire gradually replaced it's old 8 day Roman week calendar with this new 7 day week:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_calendarThe earliest evidence for this new 7 day week system is a Pompeiian graffito referring to the 6th February (viii idus Februarius) of the year AD 60 as dies solis ("Sunday"):https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_...ys_of_the_weekAlthough timeanddate.com says it was a Wednesday!:https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=60&country=9Now the 1st of January 1 AD was a SATURDAY: https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=1&country=9This matches Torahcalendar.com:http://www.torahcalendar.com/Calendar.asp?YM=Y-1M10Which would make the 1st of January 45 BC a FRIDAY:http://www.torahcalendar.com/Calendar.asp?YM=Y-46M10But what was the day before? Because the Romans were using an 8 day week calendar before this date and the days were not called Monday, Tuesday etc, but were listed as A, B, C, etc:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_calendarTherefore how on Earth can this Roman Pagan dating system invented be the Greek Mathematician Sosigenes have anything to do with the calendar the Jews and Israelites had been using for hundreds of years before Rome ever existed?If you want to keep thinking Saturday or Sunday is your special day then carry on ignoring all this but if you want to know when the real Sabbath is then look here: https://guidetothebible.wordpress.com/sabbath-isnt-on-sun-or-sat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
When Is Jesus Coming? Posted November 4, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 505 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 299 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/19/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted November 4, 2017 23 minutes ago, shiloh357 said: You didn't answer the question.... If a Christian is told that they should keep the Sabbath day, and they reject that admonition and don't see it as having been given to the Church, then is that an indicator that such a person is not saved? The current week on our Gregorian calendar continued without break from the previous Julian calendar; from THURSDAY 4th October 1582 on the Julian calendar to FRIDAY 15th October 1582 on to the Gregorian calendar:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregorian_calendarHowever this calendar took hundreds of years to be accepted by other countries, England didn't accept the new Gregorian calendar till the 2nd September 1752):https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar...1752&country=9The Julian calendar began on the 1st January 45BC:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_calendarHowever this calendar also took hundreds of years to be accepted by other countries and over the 1st and 3rd centuries AD, the Roman Empire gradually replaced it's old 8 day Roman week calendar with this new 7 day week:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_calendarThe earliest evidence for this new 7 day week system is a Pompeiian graffito referring to the 6th February (viii idus Februarius) of the year AD 60 as dies solis ("Sunday"):https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_...ys_of_the_weekAlthough timeanddate.com says it was a Wednesday!:https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=60&country=9Now the 1st of January 1 AD was a SATURDAY: https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=1&country=9This matches Torahcalendar.com:http://www.torahcalendar.com/Calendar.asp?YM=Y-1M10Which would make the 1st of January 45 BC a FRIDAY:http://www.torahcalendar.com/Calendar.asp?YM=Y-46M10But what was the day before? Because the Romans were using an 8 day week calendar before this date and the days were not called Monday, Tuesday etc, but were listed as A, B, C, etc:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_calendarTherefore how on Earth can this Roman Pagan dating system invented be the Greek Mathematician Sosigenes have anything to do with the calendar the Jews and Israelites had been using for hundreds of years before Rome ever existed?If you want to keep thinking Saturday or Sunday is your special day then carry on ignoring all this but if you want to know when the real Sabbath is then look here: https://guidetothebible.wordpress.com/sabbath-isnt-on-sun-or-sat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
When Is Jesus Coming? Posted November 4, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 505 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 299 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/19/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted November 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, Abdicate said: And today, even according to the last site you posted, today is the Sabbath... No, the Sabbath starts at sunset tonight Jerusalem time: https://guidetothebible.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/guide_v2017calendar_year5988_2018.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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