Once Saved always Saved, Is A Doctrine Of Devils

[frienduff thaylorde]

5 hours ago, Christ lives not i said:

once you KNOW that you are the Christ, living inside of a personal self, then its over

I knew that was coming when I seen SPIRITUALISM.     We aint THE CHRIST .  NO SIR , NO SIR.

We are OF CHRIST but NOT THE CHRIST.    You are NOT THE CHRIST I AM NOT THE CHRIST .  that is upmost blasphemous.

Repent of it .   A true believer IS OF CHRIST , NOT CHRIST , but OF HIM.   us mere men better learn our place real fast.   I say it to all that has breath. HONOR GOD , HONOR the SON

but don't think we ARE GOD NOR CHRIST .     WE are OF HIM.

[frienduff thaylorde]

5 hours ago, Bro.Tan said:

Let me explain to you this way. Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus. And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past. We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time. So by coming under the blood of Jesus you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because all have sinned, and if you continue to live you will sin again. It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check.

But lets take a look and see what happen if one will not get baptized in the name of Jesus.  "And he said unto them, go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." (Mark 16:15- 16).  Every soul that is baptized honors God and every soul that rejects baptism dishonors God. "And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John. But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him." (Luke 7:29-30). "For I say unto you, that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, Ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5: 20). Anyone that is not baptized is a person with their sins yet upon them, because it is the baptism that washes away our past sins. "And now why tarriest thou? Arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." (Acts 22:16) 

 

Bro tan IF JESUS said DO IT WE DO IT.  IF we truly LOVE HIM and are OF Him  WE LOVE HIS SAYINGS AND DO THEM.

 its real simple.   amen.

[Christ lives not i]

7 hours ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

I knew that was coming when I seen SPIRITUALISM.     We aint THE CHRIST .  NO SIR , NO SIR.

We are OF CHRIST but NOT THE CHRIST.    You are NOT THE CHRIST I AM NOT THE CHRIST .  that is upmost blasphemous.

Repent of it .   A true believer IS OF CHRIST , NOT CHRIST , but OF HIM.   us mere men better learn our place real fast.   I say it to all that has breath. HONOR GOD , HONOR the SON

but don't think we ARE GOD NOR CHRIST .     WE are OF HIM.

Why do you say spiritualism when my profile says spirituality? Those two words have two different definitions. Spirituality is merely a concern with the spirit. I am sane to imagine you can agree that the Holy spirit, spirit of God, the Christ,  born in spirit, etc, is good for those who are the fragrence of Christ among those who are being saved- and perishing. Be sure that the Light that is in you is not darkness, lest how great will that darkness be.

When you go on proclaiming a thing it is best to use scripture lest you embody satan in your walking to and fro to devour and condem... and you be used to snatch up the seeds of the word of God - seeds of entry to the kingdom for you and others too.

Here are 8 scriptures to support that Christ lives, not i:

1. “But if Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, the spirit is life because of righteousness.”—Romans 8:10

We human beings were created by God with a body on the outside and a soul and spirit on the inside. Our spirit is our deepest part, created to contact and receive the Spirit of God. When we received Jesus as our Savior, He cleansed us of our sins and He came into our spirit as life. Thus, because Christ is in us, our “spirit is life because of righteousness.”

 

2. “Because the God who said, Out of darkness light shall shine, is the One who shined in our hearts to illuminate the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. But we have this treasure in earthen vessels that the excellency of the power may be of God and not out of us.”—2 Corinthians 4:6-7

 

The apostle Paul describes the believers as earthen vessels that contain “this treasure.” What is this treasure? It is Jesus Christ, in whose face we see the glory of God. Christ lives in us earthen vessels as a precious treasure, revealing to us the glory of God from within.

 

3. “But when it pleased God…to reveal His Son in me.”—Galatians 1:15-16

 

We might think this verse should read, “It pleased God…to reveal His Son to me.” But in the original language of the New Testament, Greek, the verse reads “to reveal His Son in me.” God’s plan is to reveal His Son in us, from within, rather than to us, from without. Or, to put it another way, God reveals Christ to us from within us. To those who have Christ in us, God is pleased to reveal in us more of the wonderful Person of Christ.

 

4. “I am crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but it is Christ who lives in me.”—Galatians 2:20

 

Here, Paul did not say “I live in a Christ-like way,” or, “I glorify Christ through my behavior.” No, he said, “Christ…lives in me,” clearly telling us that Christ lives in His believers. The Christian life is not a matter of behaving like Christ, but of allowing Christ Himself to live in and through us.

 

5. “My children, with whom I travail again in birth until Christ is formed in you.”—Galatians 4:19

 

Paul viewed the believers in Galatia as his spiritual children. He had labored to help them receive Christ at their salvation, and in this verse, he continues to labor on them so that the Christ they received would be fully formed in them. Christ lives in us from the time we are saved, but He wants to be formed in us in a definite way. Day by day, we need to give Him the opportunity to be formed in us. As we do, Christ will be able to express Himself more fully through us in our daily life.

 

6. “That Christ may make His home in your hearts through faith.”—Ephesians 3:17

 

When we believed into Christ, He came to live in our spirit, the deepest part of our being. But Christ also wants to make His home in the rest of our inward being: our hearts and our souls. By living in our spirit, Christ is the new source of our new life. But our soul—our mind, emotion, and will—can still choose to ignore Him as our new source and go on just as before. In this case, Christ is in us, but He’s limited in us, kept only in our spirit. So He cannot be expressed through us very much. The Lord Jesus wants to make His home not only in our spirit, but also in all the parts of our soul.

 

7. “Christ in you, the hope of glory.”—Colossians 1:27

This verse shows that Christ is in us in a particular way: as our hope of glory. When we believed in Him, Christ came to live in our spirit. Now He is making His home in our hearts. In the future, when He returns, He will even spread to our body outwardly so that God’s glory can shine through us in a full way. The Christ who lives in us is our hope of such glory.

 

8. “When He comes to be glorified in His saints and to be marveled at in all those who have believed.”—2 Thessalonians 1:10

Christ’s second coming will surely be a marvel. But according to this verse, the most marvelous thing will not be the outward display of His coming; it will be His glory revealed from within His believers. The Christ in us, who lives in us and is being formed in us, will be revealed from within us, and even our bodies will be transformed to match Him.

 

What a glory to God, a marvel to man, and a shame to the devil, that people on this earth would choose to receive Christ and allow Him to grow in them and express Himself through them throughout their lives!

What is your choice to be?

 

 

[enoob57]

12 hours ago, Cobalt1959 said:

When it comes to "Once Saved, Always Saved," believing in it violates the same principle as predestination does.  If one has the free will to accept Jesus, they also must have the free will to reject Him at some point later on or there is no free will.  I do not see why anyone would want to, if they were actually saved, but for free will to be true, they have to have that option.

Once one is come to believe That The Christ 'IS' the believer will repent of his being... come to the understanding that all he or she is -is- trash that is needful of the fire! You actually agree with God on truth formed from His Word and calling out to Jesus from the emptiness of this place is the opening of the hearts door to The Lord

Revelation 3:20 (KJV)

[20] Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

This fellowship of new birth in God cannot by the created element be destroyed any longer 

Romans 8:36 (KJV)

[36] As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

[37] Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.

[38] For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

[39] Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

If your life in God has contingency upon works- The Lord will not know you when you come into His Presence upon death

Matthew 7:21 (KJV)

[21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

[22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

The Law is the Law and Grace is Grace try to mix the two and you have only a modified Law which no one can keep... unless it is modified into license to sin then it becomes no Law!

Those who rely on works are not saved by The Blood of Jesus.... 

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48 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

If your life in God has contingency upon works- The Lord will not know you when you come into His Presence upon death

Matthew 7:21 (KJV)

[21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

[22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

The Law is the Law and Grace is Grace try to mix the two and you have only a modified Law which no one can keep... unless it is modified into license to sin then it becomes no Law!

Those who rely on works are not saved by The Blood of Jesus.... 

When people gets the seed of the Word in their hearts, it grows, and it eventually starts bearing fruit. That is the truth, the seed which was planted is good; then the fruits must be good.

Implying that all people who do good works are not relying on Christ alone for salvation is misleading, for some misinformed is like telling: "You better stop of bearing good fruit, or you go to hell". That is the reality, it may push many people to think that way. The devil is just waiting to attack anyone; as is explained in the parable of the sower, the enemy will try to remove the good seed that was planted on his heart.

"When anyone hears the word of the kingdom, and does not understand it, then the wicked one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is he who received seed by the wayside." - Matthew 13:19

 

But what is bearing good fruit? Does that mean everybody has to go out and start casting out devils, do wonderful works in Jesus' name then go back home? No, it does not mean that.

There are people who will grow to the point of casting out devils, healing, etc.. But that is something between the person and the Lord. Not everyone have to or will do that, the body of Christ is composed of different parts.

To bear good fruit, and I mean to produce good fruit in a constant and truthful way is only possible if someone is attached to the true vine, which is Jesus Christ. To bear good fruit means walking in the Spirit.

 

That is why He says, some produce more than others... But all of them produce much fruit, otherwise they are not in the true vine.

"But others fell on good ground and yielded a crop: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty." - Matthew 13:8

 

The problem occurs when people is not attached to the true vine, then they start producing "fake fruits" to please people while in front of them; but when they go back to their lives they cannot bear good fruit and their bad fruits dominates them completely. Those "fake fruits" alone are bad fruit actually, as they are claiming to possess a light that is not in them.

"If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned." - John 15:6

 

Then it draws us to where tares appeared in the church, wolves in sheep clothing, etc. And that is exactly what that passage you are citing is referring to.

[frienduff thaylorde]

6 hours ago, Christ lives not i said:

Why do you say spiritualism when my profile says spirituality? Those two words have two different definitions. Spirituality is merely a concern with the spirit. I am sane to imagine you can agree that the Holy spirit, spirit of God, the Christ,  born in spirit, etc, is good for those who are the fragrence of Christ among those who are being saved- and perishing. Be sure that the Light that is in you is not darkness, lest how great will that darkness be.

When you go on proclaiming a thing it is best to use scripture lest you embody satan in your walking to and fro to devour and condem... and you be used to snatch up the seeds of the word of God - seeds of entry to the kingdom for you and others too.

Here are 8 scriptures to support that Christ lives, not i:

1. “But if Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, the spirit is life because of righteousness.”—Romans 8:10

 

 

 

We human beings were created by God with a body on the outside and a soul and spirit on the inside. Our spirit is our deepest part, created to contact and receive the Spirit of God. When we received Jesus as our Savior, He cleansed us of our sins and He came into our spirit as life. Thus, because Christ is in us, our “spirit is life because of righteousness.”

 

 

 

2. “Because the God who said, Out of darkness light shall shine, is the One who shined in our hearts to illuminate the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. But we have this treasure in earthen vessels that the excellency of the power may be of God and not out of us.”—2 Corinthians 4:6-7

 

 

 

The apostle Paul describes the believers as earthen vessels that contain “this treasure.” What is this treasure? It is Jesus Christ, in whose face we see the glory of God. Christ lives in us earthen vessels as a precious treasure, revealing to us the glory of God from within.

 

 

 

3. “But when it pleased God…to reveal His Son in me.”—Galatians 1:15-16

 

 

 

We might think this verse should read, “It pleased God…to reveal His Son to me.” But in the original language of the New Testament, Greek, the verse reads “to reveal His Son in me.” God’s plan is to reveal His Son in us, from within, rather than to us, from without. Or, to put it another way, God reveals Christ to us from within us. To those who have Christ in us, God is pleased to reveal in us more of the wonderful Person of Christ.

 

 

 

4. “I am crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but it is Christ who lives in me.”—Galatians 2:20

 

 

 

Here, Paul did not say “I live in a Christ-like way,” or, “I glorify Christ through my behavior.” No, he said, “Christ…lives in me,” clearly telling us that Christ lives in His believers. The Christian life is not a matter of behaving like Christ, but of allowing Christ Himself to live in and through us.

 

 

 

5. “My children, with whom I travail again in birth until Christ is formed in you.”—Galatians 4:19

 

 

 

Paul viewed the believers in Galatia as his spiritual children. He had labored to help them receive Christ at their salvation, and in this verse, he continues to labor on them so that the Christ they received would be fully formed in them. Christ lives in us from the time we are saved, but He wants to be formed in us in a definite way. Day by day, we need to give Him the opportunity to be formed in us. As we do, Christ will be able to express Himself more fully through us in our daily life.

 

 

 

6. “That Christ may make His home in your hearts through faith.”—Ephesians 3:17

 

 

 

When we believed into Christ, He came to live in our spirit, the deepest part of our being. But Christ also wants to make His home in the rest of our inward being: our hearts and our souls. By living in our spirit, Christ is the new source of our new life. But our soul—our mind, emotion, and will—can still choose to ignore Him as our new source and go on just as before. In this case, Christ is in us, but He’s limited in us, kept only in our spirit. So He cannot be expressed through us very much. The Lord Jesus wants to make His home not only in our spirit, but also in all the parts of our soul.

 

 

 

7. “Christ in you, the hope of glory.”—Colossians 1:27

 

 

This verse shows that Christ is in us in a particular way: as our hope of glory. When we believed in Him, Christ came to live in our spirit. Now He is making His home in our hearts. In the future, when He returns, He will even spread to our body outwardly so that God’s glory can shine through us in a full way. The Christ who lives in us is our hope of such glory.

 

 

 

8. “When He comes to be glorified in His saints and to be marveled at in all those who have believed.”—2 Thessalonians 1:10

 

Christ’s second coming will surely be a marvel. But according to this verse, the most marvelous thing will not be the outward display of His coming; it will be His glory revealed from within His believers. The Christ in us, who lives in us and is being formed in us, will be revealed from within us, and even our bodies will be transformed to match Him.

 

 

 

What a glory to God, a marvel to man, and a shame to the devil, that people on this earth would choose to receive Christ and allow Him to grow in them and express Himself through them throughout their lives!

 

What is your choice to be?

 

 

This IS NOT what you said.  You said when you realize you ARE THE CHRIST , living in a personal body , etc.

DAS IST NICHT REICHT.    We are NOT THE CHRIST,  THE CHRIST LIVES IN US , but we are NOT HIM.     that is new age belief.

Ya didn't say HE dwelt in us...........YA Said quite a blasphemey.     Say it with me ,  WE AINT CHRIST ,  HE DWELLS IN US , but we are NOT THE CHRIST .

 

[frienduff thaylorde]

7 hours ago, Christ lives not i said:

Why do you say spiritualism when my profile says spirituality? Those two words have two different definitions. Spirituality is merely a concern with the spirit. I am sane to imagine you can agree that the Holy spirit, spirit of God, the Christ,  born in spirit, etc, is good for those who are the fragrence of Christ among those who are being saved- and perishing. Be sure that the Light that is in you is not darkness, lest how great will that darkness be.

When you go on proclaiming a thing it is best to use scripture lest you embody satan in your walking to and fro to devour and condem... and you be used to snatch up the seeds of the word of God - seeds of entry to the kingdom for you and others too.

Here are 8 scriptures to support that Christ lives, not i:

1. “But if Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, the spirit is life because of righteousness.”—Romans 8:10

 

 

 

We human beings were created by God with a body on the outside and a soul and spirit on the inside. Our spirit is our deepest part, created to contact and receive the Spirit of God. When we received Jesus as our Savior, He cleansed us of our sins and He came into our spirit as life. Thus, because Christ is in us, our “spirit is life because of righteousness.”

 

 

 

2. “Because the God who said, Out of darkness light shall shine, is the One who shined in our hearts to illuminate the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. But we have this treasure in earthen vessels that the excellency of the power may be of God and not out of us.”—2 Corinthians 4:6-7

 

 

 

The apostle Paul describes the believers as earthen vessels that contain “this treasure.” What is this treasure? It is Jesus Christ, in whose face we see the glory of God. Christ lives in us earthen vessels as a precious treasure, revealing to us the glory of God from within.

 

 

 

3. “But when it pleased God…to reveal His Son in me.”—Galatians 1:15-16

 

 

 

We might think this verse should read, “It pleased God…to reveal His Son to me.” But in the original language of the New Testament, Greek, the verse reads “to reveal His Son in me.” God’s plan is to reveal His Son in us, from within, rather than to us, from without. Or, to put it another way, God reveals Christ to us from within us. To those who have Christ in us, God is pleased to reveal in us more of the wonderful Person of Christ.

 

 

 

4. “I am crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but it is Christ who lives in me.”—Galatians 2:20

 

 

 

Here, Paul did not say “I live in a Christ-like way,” or, “I glorify Christ through my behavior.” No, he said, “Christ…lives in me,” clearly telling us that Christ lives in His believers. The Christian life is not a matter of behaving like Christ, but of allowing Christ Himself to live in and through us.

 

 

 

5. “My children, with whom I travail again in birth until Christ is formed in you.”—Galatians 4:19

 

 

 

Paul viewed the believers in Galatia as his spiritual children. He had labored to help them receive Christ at their salvation, and in this verse, he continues to labor on them so that the Christ they received would be fully formed in them. Christ lives in us from the time we are saved, but He wants to be formed in us in a definite way. Day by day, we need to give Him the opportunity to be formed in us. As we do, Christ will be able to express Himself more fully through us in our daily life.

 

 

 

6. “That Christ may make His home in your hearts through faith.”—Ephesians 3:17

 

 

 

When we believed into Christ, He came to live in our spirit, the deepest part of our being. But Christ also wants to make His home in the rest of our inward being: our hearts and our souls. By living in our spirit, Christ is the new source of our new life. But our soul—our mind, emotion, and will—can still choose to ignore Him as our new source and go on just as before. In this case, Christ is in us, but He’s limited in us, kept only in our spirit. So He cannot be expressed through us very much. The Lord Jesus wants to make His home not only in our spirit, but also in all the parts of our soul.

 

 

 

7. “Christ in you, the hope of glory.”—Colossians 1:27

 

 

This verse shows that Christ is in us in a particular way: as our hope of glory. When we believed in Him, Christ came to live in our spirit. Now He is making His home in our hearts. In the future, when He returns, He will even spread to our body outwardly so that God’s glory can shine through us in a full way. The Christ who lives in us is our hope of such glory.

 

 

 

8. “When He comes to be glorified in His saints and to be marveled at in all those who have believed.”—2 Thessalonians 1:10

 

Christ’s second coming will surely be a marvel. But according to this verse, the most marvelous thing will not be the outward display of His coming; it will be His glory revealed from within His believers. The Christ in us, who lives in us and is being formed in us, will be revealed from within us, and even our bodies will be transformed to match Him.

 

 

 

What a glory to God, a marvel to man, and a shame to the devil, that people on this earth would choose to receive Christ and allow Him to grow in them and express Himself through them throughout their lives!

 

What is your choice to be?

 

 

PS ya seen thess wrong.  CHRIST ALREAY DWELT in them.  this SECOND COMING is when he RETURNS to collect the church and smack the powers of darkness right outta here.

 

[Christ lives not i]

28 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

This IS NOT what you said.  You said when you realize you ARE THE CHRIST , living in a personal body , etc.

DAS IST NICHT REICHT.    We are NOT THE CHRIST,  THE CHRIST LIVES IN US , but we are NOT HIM.     that is new age belief.

Ya didn't say HE dwelt in us...........YA Said quite a blasphemey.     Say it with me ,  WE AINT CHRIST ,  HE DWELLS IN US , but we are NOT THE CHRIST .

 

If you are not the Christ living inside of "frienduff" then who are you?

 

[frienduff thaylorde]

5 minutes ago, Christ lives not i said:

If you are not the Christ living inside of "frienduff" then who are you?

 

Flee this peoples , flee it .    this is not right.  for many shall come in my name saying I am The Christ , FLEE THIS MINDSET NOW.

flee it , flee it .    WHO am I ...................I am one WHO has CHRIST WITHIN ME , BUT I AM NOT THE CHRIST .  flee this fore its too late , FLEE it , flee it.

[Christ lives not i]

i am one who has Christ in me as well, so brother, let us be at peace and meet on that good news.