OldSchool2 Posted November 4, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 701 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,511 Content Per Day: 1.35 Reputation: 1,759 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/16/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/18/1955 Share Posted November 4, 2017 10 hours ago, shiloh357 said: No, I prefer a real Bible as opposed to modern versions that omit verses and promote Gnostic heresies. The above belongs in Worthy's Conspiracy forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 51 minutes ago, OldSchool2 said: The above belongs in Worthy's Conspiracy forum. No, it doesn't. Look up the following verses in the KJV: Matt. 17:21, 18:11, 24:14; Mark 7:16, 9:44, 9:46, 11:26, 15:28; Luke 14:36, 23:17; John 5:4; Acts 8:37, 15:34, 24:7, 28:29; and Rom. 16:24. Then go look up those same verses in the NASB and NIV and other modern translations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSchool2 Posted November 4, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 701 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,511 Content Per Day: 1.35 Reputation: 1,759 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/16/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/18/1955 Share Posted November 4, 2017 51 minutes ago, shiloh357 said: ... Look up the following verses in the KJV: Matt. 17:21, 18:11, 24:14; Mark 7:16, 9:44, 9:46, 11:26, 15:28; Luke 14:36, 23:17; John 5:4; Acts 8:37, 15:34, 24:7, 28:29; and Rom. 16:24. Then go look up those same verses in the NASB and NIV and other modern translations. I can almost hear: "Give me that old time religion, It's good enough for me...." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 21 minutes ago, OldSchool2 said: I can almost hear: "Give me that old time religion, It's good enough for me...." No, I don't have religion. The RCC is a religion. I have Jesus, instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted November 4, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,065 Content Per Day: 7.97 Reputation: 21,395 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted November 4, 2017 On 11/2/2017 at 5:12 PM, Omegaman 3.0 said: I agree with your assessment of what that verse is actually trying to say, but I am not certain that the KJV folks got it wrong. Perhap the meaning of the word appearance, was a bit different 400 years ago, or perhaps we tend to limit the word appearance in modern time, and are just misinterpreting it. For example, if I say I have an obligation to make a appearance at a meeting tomorrow, I am not saying that I want to make it look as though I am at the meeting, I am saying that I will actually be there. There is no presence, without my appearance, and the is no appearance, without my presence. The two are so connected, as to be nearly synonymous. So, I think in old English, or modern English, it is possible the word presence or occurrence would work just fine. At the same time, the Bible does place some emphasis, on having a good reputation. People's reputations can be damaged by mere appearances. One time my wife and I were accused of drinking in public. We were drinking in public. We were drinking a bottle of Martinelli's Sparkling Apple Cider, and pouring it into plastic champagne glosses. It is not possible to avoid all appearance of evil, because appearance is in the eye of the beholder. I think old VW bugs are ugly, some think they are cute. I took a woman to lunch once, after a church service. She was afraid of how it would look. She said what if someone sees us?" I said: "Well, then they will see two friends having lunch! What if your husband and (my best friend) were to go camping, someone might see us do that?" She said: "What is wrong with how that looks?" I said: "Someone might think we were sneaking off to have a homosexual affair!" Wow, I just realized that I never posted this, lol, that was, I don't know 5 hours ago? Anyway, point is we may not always be able to avoid these issues, we can only try to be wise about them. We have seen this language stuff in our own generation 'cool' When we honor God through His Word and practice thereof ... that is where the final intent in activity will be measured. After all they called Jesus a gluttonous wine bibber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegaman 3.0 Posted November 4, 2017 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 57 Topic Count: 1,546 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 10,320 Content Per Day: 1.41 Reputation: 12,323 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/15/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/05/1951 Share Posted November 4, 2017 Just now, enoob57 said: When we honor God through His Word and practice thereof ... that is where the final intent in activity will be measured. After all they called Jesus a gluttonous wine bibber. Excellent observation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Gator Posted November 4, 2017 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.70 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted November 4, 2017 Would it be too much to ask Shiloh and OldSchool2 to keep their feud to different threads and quit taking this one off topic. I do not want this thread to become yet one more KJV only thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegaman 3.0 Posted November 4, 2017 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 57 Topic Count: 1,546 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 10,320 Content Per Day: 1.41 Reputation: 12,323 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/15/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/05/1951 Share Posted November 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Running Gator said: Would it be too much to ask Shiloh and OldSchool2 to keep their feud to different threads and quit taking this one off topic. I do not want this thread to become yet one more KJV only thread. Noted: Gentlemen, please stick to the topic and not take pot shots at Bible version preferences. If you want to debate Bible versions, do so in a thread about that, here, please stay on topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unfailing Presence Posted November 4, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 649 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 170 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/26/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted November 4, 2017 On 11/2/2017 at 10:33 AM, Running Gator said: Here is why, to me the difference in wording matters. Committing adultery is a form of evil. Having a meal with a member of the opposite gender that is not your spouse or family member can be said to give an appearance of evil, but is not a form of evil. Having a beer in your fridge can be said to give the appearance of evil, but is not a form of evil. Being a drunkard is a form of evil. If you acknowledge , which you have , that in the mirror of Obedience to God you sense an " appearance " of evil you are already on shaky ground . In the midst of life's trials and perplexities working your own way through " appearances " of evil relying on inadequate human reasoning and spiritual infirmity is not a path to victory of our souls . There was not even so much a hint of an " appearance " of " evil " for the two disciples that chose to be in the courtyard at Jesus's trial . All things being equal , yet for one of them the lack of even an " appearance " of evil was nothing more than a trap for what would be the most regrettable sins of their life . The denial of their Lord and Savior , not once but thrice . And this after having been specifically warned by the Lord that Satan himself desired to destroy him . Yet with not even so much as a hint of an " appearance " of " evil " why not enter into the temptation of the courtyard ? After all this lack of an " appearance " of " evil " had absolutely no impact on the other disciple present there . How did that work out for Peter ? Peter should have never been present there , and he would be the first to tell you that after the fact , lack of " evil appearances " be damned . Instead of using human reasoning with regards to working out what gives acceptable " appearances" subtracted from " evil " , in the eyes of other feeble humans it is much better to rely on the Divine math of God's multiplication . Obedience to God will always unlock the multiplication of God's Omnipotence and the concern with earthly " appearances " will be left behind as we gaze upon an open field of life rich in the loveliness , honor , and power of Jesus . " I Am come that they might have life , and that they might have it more abundantly . " ( John 10 : 10 ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyKay Posted November 4, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 12 Topic Count: 385 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 7,692 Content Per Day: 1.93 Reputation: 4,809 Days Won: 3 Joined: 05/28/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted November 4, 2017 31 minutes ago, Davida said: It is a fact that some of the modern Bible versions have changed the meaning of some scriptures. Here is a thought outside the box. You say that the some modern Bibles have changed the meaning of the scriptures. So here is my thought. Maybe they did not change the meaning of the scripture, but maybe what they did was word it in such away that the true meaning of the scripture became more understandable. Thus changing what you thought the meaning was suppose to be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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