Proof, Earth made of invisible things.

[ytLiJC]

1 hour ago, HAZARD said:

God created everything, including water in His original creation, and He used this to flood the earth during Lucifers rebellion. 

 

i talked about the primordial substance that was not created by Him - it is one of the uncaused things that were already in the universe before and after He created the first things that He created (namely the "heaven" and the "earth") - Genesis 1:1-2 - after all, He had to use some material to create things from it

Blessings

[101G]

18 hours ago, HAZARD said:

Romans 1:20, For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

GINOLJC, you're on point. notice God is invisible, and Romans clearly states, "For the invisible things of him". God is what we call the atom, and it's subatomic make up, and even below that.

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[hmbld]

9 hours ago, ytLiJC said:

 

i talked about the primordial substance that was not created by Him - it is one of the uncaused things that were already in the universe before and after He created the first things that He created (namely the "heaven" and the "earth") - Genesis 1:1-2 - after all, He had to use some material to create things from it

Blessings

Since God created all, there is or was no substance ever, that was not created by Him. 

[HAZARD]

3 hours ago, Yowm said:

Two centuries ago? Perhaps two millennium ago. (picky, picky me. lol)

I don't recall writing this: "Considering that he lived about two centuries ago, it is extremely doubtful that the author of the books of Hebrews specifically understood the subject," You have quoted someone else there, not me?

[HAZARD]

3 hours ago, 101G said:

GINOLJC, you're on point. notice God is invisible, and Romans clearly states, "For the invisible things of him". God is what we call the atom, and it's subatomic make up, and even below that.

God is not invisible, God has a body and has been seen by men with their own eyes. He can become invisible when He decides to do so. many dozens of Scriptures describe God in detail. Moses spoke to God face to face as a man speaks with his friend. Moses asked God if he could see Him in His full glory. God said no, you would not live If I showed you my full glory, but I will put my hand over your face, remove it and show you my back parts. If God has back parts, then He must have front parts as well.

[HAZARD]

Sorry, Typo, as you can see, I meant to write two thousand years ago, as I wrote at the end of the sentence.

"it is extremely doubtful that the author of the books of Hebrews specifically understood the subject, yet he accurately wrote about atomic structure - nearly 2000 years before it was discovered by scientists."

[101G]

2 hours ago, HAZARD said:

God is not invisible, God has a body and has been seen by men with their own eyes. He can become invisible when He decides to do so. many dozens of Scriptures describe God in detail. Moses spoke to God face to face as a man speaks with his friend. Moses asked God if he could see Him in His full glory. God said no, you would not live If I showed you my full glory, but I will put my hand over your face, remove it and show you my back parts. If God has back parts, then He must have front parts as well.

you have seen his image, the Son, but not him the Spirit. as for speaking to Moses face to face, I can speak to you through a screen door FACE to FACE. so was it at the tent of meeting. 

as for description in detail, an appearance is not as a manifestation. the burning bush is not God, nor a pillar of Cloud or fire. he can always "APPEAR" as but not is. 

 

peace in Christ Jesus.

[HAZARD]

1 hour ago, 101G said:

you have seen his image, the Son, but not him the Spirit. as for speaking to Moses face to face, I can speak to you through a screen door FACE to FACE. so was it at the tent of meeting. 

as for description in detail, an appearance is not as a manifestation. the burning bush is not God, nor a pillar of Cloud or fire. he can always "APPEAR" as but not is. 

 

peace in Christ Jesus.

We are exact replicas of God only mortal. God said, "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth." (Gen. 1:26).

I believe what read in God's Word, teaches us that God has a body with bodily parts, hands, feet, eyes, head, mouth, hair, that He speaks, listenes, has a heart, eats food etc. I have listed many Scriptures which shows this and many more can be found. Many catholics I have spoken with regarding these Scriptures do not believe them because it is contrary to their belief that God can be reduced to a sliver of bread and held in a monstrance or tabernacle.

God has a spirit body with bodily parts like a man. This is proved by hundreds of Scriptures that do not need interpretation. God is a Spirit being, infinate, eternal, immutable, self-existent, omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent, invisible, impartial, immortal, absolutely holy, full of wisdom, full of knowledge, and just in all things. God is known in Scripture by over two hundred names. He is describes as being like any other person as to having a body, soul, and spirit (Job 13:8; Heb. 1:3; Dan. 7:9-14; 10:5-7). He is a spirit being with a body (Dan. 7:9-14; 10:5-6, 9-19, Exodus 24:11; Gen. 18' 32:24-32; Ezek. 1:26-28; Acts 7:54-59; Rev. 4:2-4; 5:1, 5-7; 22:4-5); shape (John 5:37); form (Phil. 2:5-7, same Greek word as in Mark 16:12, which refers to bodily form); and an image and likeness of a man (Gen. 1:26; 9:6; Ezek. 1:26-28; 1 Cor. 11:7; jas. 3:9; Dan. 7:9-14; 10:5-6).

He has a heart (Gen. 6:6; 8:21); hands and fingers (Exod. 31:18; Psalms 8:3-6; Rev. 5:1, 6-7); Nostrils (Ps. 18:8); mouth (Num. 12:8); lips and tongue (Isa. 30:27; feet (Ezek. 1:27; Exodus 24:10); eyes, eyelids, sight (Ps. 11:4; 18:24; 33:18); voice (Ps. 29; Rev. 10:3-4; Gen. 1); breath (Gen. 2:70; ears (Ps. 18:6); head, hair, face, arms (Dan. 7:9-14; 10:5-19; Rev. 5:1; loins (Ezek. 1:26:28; 8:1-4); bodily presence (Gen. 3:8; 18:1-22; Job 1:6-12; 2:1-7; Exodus 24:10-11); and many other bodily parts as required by Him to be a person with a body.

God goes from place to place just like any one else (Gen. 3:8; 11:5; 18:1-22, 33; 19:24; 32:24-32; 35:13; Zech. 14:5; Titus 2:13). God is omnipresent but not omni body, that is His presence can be felt everywhere but His body is not everywhere. God wears cloths (Dan. 7:9-14; 10:5-19; God eats food (Gen. 18:1-22; Exodus 24:11).

There is not one Scripture in the Bible which states that God is intangible, immaterial, without a body, or bodily parts, and passions except John 4:24, "God is a spirit," and this certainly does not teach that He is without a body.

Paul speaks of the human flesh and bone bodies in the resurrection as being "Spiritual" (1 Cor. 15:42-44), like unto Christs glorious body (Luke 24:39; Phil. 3:20-21); so if human bodies that become spiritualized are still material and tangible, then certainly God and other spirits have bodies just as real and still be spirit beings. John 4:24 is a statement of fact that God is a Spirit, but it does not define or analyze a spirit.

Turn to Genesis, chapter one. God had been busy for a number of days during that re-creation week, making various CREATURES of the land, sea, and air. Nothing is said about them having the form of God Himself. After all those creatures were created notice what God says in verses 26,27, "....Let us MAKE MAN in OUR IMAGE, after OUR LIKENESS.. ..So God created MAN in His OWN IMAGE, in the IMAGE OF GOD created he him; male and female...."

Right at the very beginning of the Bible, the Eternal God tells us that He created mankind in, not the likeness or image of the angels or any other spirit being, but He formed and gave mankind the IMAGE or LIKENESS of HIMSELF. God took the dirt of the ground and molded the shape and form of man from it to resemble the image or shape of very GOD.

God first revealed Himself in a mighty way to Moses from the burning bush. From that time on the Eternal and Moses were friends with a "buddy-buddy" relationship. This relationship between the Lord and Moses was so personal that it is recorded, "And the Lord spoke unto Moses FACE to FACE, as a man speaks unto a friend...."(Ex.33:11). Now our "no body" for God teachers will say either this is just a metaphor or God appeared as a human, but when in the "spirit" He has no body or face. Of course that is the answer they will give to any section of scripture where God appeared to men. But there was a time when God appeared to Moses IN THE SPIRIT FORM - the Lord opening up his eyes to see Himself in the spirit dimension, that the human eye can not
usually see, Read the example of the servant of Elisha in 2 Kings 6.

So close a relationship did Moses have with God that Moses was so bold as to ask the Lord to show Himself to him, not as a human but as He really IS. Moses' request is found in Exodus 33:18. Notice the reply from the Eternal: "....You can not SEE MY FACE; for no man can see me and
live."(verse 20). God did not say to Moses that He did not have a body and so did not have a face and so could not show Himself in the spirit form as having a shape. To the CONTRARY, the answer to Moses SHOWS CLEARLY GOD DOES HAVE A FACE AND BODY! He told Moses that no man could look upon the face of God in spirit form and live. How simpler can the word of God be in this matter? No theological degree needed to understand this verse, just believe it for what it says. In Exodus 33 18, Moses asked God to show him His Glory. "And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory." And God said to Moses; "I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the Lord before thee; etc. God also said to Moses, "Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live." Exodus 33:18-20.

Moses asked to see God's glory as expressed in His face or countenance, not to see His face apart from His glory. That Moses could have seen God's literal face is clearly stated in verse 11, where it says, "And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face as a man speaketh unto his friend, and that he had seen Gods glory in a limited sense is clear from Exodus 16:10; and 24:17; so the request was for something he had not uet seen. Many others have also seen Gods face and spirit body apart from the glory of God.

Regarding the impossibility of man beholding the face of God when He "dwells in a light whom no man has seen nor can see" (1 Tim. 6:16, Moses became an example of this himself when his face could not be looked upon by the people, Israel, because of its brightness (Exodus 34:29-35; and 2 Cor. 3:6-18). God showed Moses His glory as expressed in His back parts, or the glorious after effects and glimpse of the glory after it had passed by (Verse 20-23). God gave Moses a further revelation of His character and infinate nature in, (Verse 19). The Hebrew word for goodness is "tuwb," superlative good; the best of a person; and absolute beauty. This referes to the infinate beauty or glory of God which was to pass before Moses while he was hidden in the cleft of the rock (Verse 22).

Jacob saw God FACE TO FACE and lived! "And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved" (Gen. 32:30). Abraham made a dinner for God and two angels and they ate food (Gen. 18). Moses talked with God face to face (Exodus 33:11-23). Seventy four elders had a banquet with God in Sinai (Exodus 24:9-11). Joshua and all Israel saw God with a sword in His hand (Josh. 5:13-15).

Gidion (Judg. 6:11-23), Manoah and wife (Judg. 13:3-23), David (1 Chron. 21:16-17), Job (42:5), Isaiah (6:1-13), Amos (9:1), and others saw God standing on the ground, sitting on thrones, and having a body with bodily parts like a man. Ezekiel saw God on a chariot and described Him as having an "appearance of a man" with loins and the upper and lower parts of a body like a man (Ezek 1:26-28; 10:1, 20; 40:3). Daniel saw both God the Father and the Son of man as two separate beiongs at the same time and at the same place. God was on a throne, and had on white cloths, and His hair was white. The Son of man also had a body, had cloths on, and had hair on His head (Dan. 7:9-14; 10:5-6). Stephen saw bith God and Christ at the same time and place with the same eyes (Acts 7:56-59).

[101G]

7 minutes ago, HAZARD said:

I believe what read in God's Word, teaches us that God has a body with bodily parts, hands, feet, eyes, head, mouth, hair, that He speaks, listenes, has a heart, eats food etc. I have listed many Scriptures which shows this and many more can be found. Many catholics I have spoken with regarding these Scriptures do not believe them because it is contrary to their belief that God can be reduced to a sliver of bread and held in a monstrance or tabernacle.

God is a Spirit, the hands arms... ect is what we term anthropomorphism. 

 

9 minutes ago, HAZARD said:

Jacob saw God FACE TO FACE and lived! "And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved" (Gen. 32:30).

ERROR, he  wrestled an angel who stood for the LORD, read Hosea 12:4. understand, sometimes angels are called men. Genesis 32:24 "And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day.

 

20 minutes ago, HAZARD said:

Gidion (Judg. 6:11-23), Manoah and wife (Judg. 13:3-23), David (1 Chron. 21:16-17), Job (42:5), Isaiah (6:1-13), Amos (9:1), and others saw God standing on the ground, sitting on thrones, and having a body with bodily parts like a man. Ezekiel saw God on a chariot and described Him as having an "appearance of a man" with loins and the upper and lower parts of a body like a man (Ezek 1:26-28; 10:1, 20; 40:3). Daniel saw both God the Father and the Son of man as two separate beiongs at the same time and at the same place. God was on a throne, and had on white cloths, and His hair was white. The Son of man also had a body, had cloths on, and had hair on His head (Dan. 7:9-14; 10:5-6). Stephen saw bith God and Christ at the same time and place with the same eyes (Acts 7:56-59).

Another ERRORS on your part. Images, appearance are not the MANIFESTATION of God. God did not have a BODY until he shared himself in it.  scripture, Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come". here figure is the fashion, or the form God came in. 

and as for our brother  Stephen, he only saw one person. right hand is an anthropomorphism for POWER, not a literal right hand. only the Lord Jesus is on the Throne.

Peace in Christ Yeshua.

[HAZARD]

Hosea 12:4, The angel who wrestled with Jacob as God, as proved in verse 5 - Even the Lord God of Hosts; the LORD  is his memorial.

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and as for our brother  Stephen, he only saw one person. right hand is an anthropomorphism for POWER, not a literal right hand. only the Lord Jesus is on the Throne."

 Acts 7: 55, But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, 
    56, And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the son of man standing on the right hand of God. 

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only the Lord Jesus is on the Throne."

Heb. 12:2, Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand OF THE THRONE OF GOD. 

We all know Jesus is not sitting in God the Fathers lap. The Father is on His throne in Heaven and Jesus is seated on His right hand side.

What could be more simple than this, Ezekiel saw God on a chariot and described Him as having an "appearance of a man" with loins and the upper and lower parts of a body like a man (Ezek 1:26-28; 10:1, 20; 40:3). He saw God and said, God looks like a man. I wonder why that is? Is it because we are created in the spitting image and likeness of God, so who would He look like if not like a man?

Shall we ignore the  many dozens of other scriptures which plainly and clearly teach that God has a body;

God has a spirit body with bodily parts like a man. This is proved by hundreds of Scriptures that do not need interpretation. God is a Spirit being, infinate, eternal, immutable, self-existent, omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent, invisible, impartial, immortal, absolutely holy, full of wisdom, full of knowledge, and just in all things. God is known in Scripture by over two hundred names. He is describes as being like any other person as to having a body, soul, and spirit (Job 13:8; Heb. 1:3; Dan. 7:9-14; 10:5-7). He is a spirit being with a body (Dan. 7:9-14; 10:5-6, 9-19, Exodus 24:11; Gen. 18' 32:24-32; Ezek. 1:26-28; Acts 7:54-59; Rev. 4:2-4; 5:1, 5-7; 22:4-5); shape (John 5:37); form (Phil. 2:5-7, same Greek word as in Mark 16:12, which refers to bodily form); and an image and likeness of a man (Gen. 1:26; 9:6; Ezek. 1:26-28; 1 Cor. 11:7; jas. 3:9; Dan. 7:9-14; 10:5-6).

He has a heart (Gen. 6:6; 8:21); hands and fingers (Exod. 31:18; Psalms 8:3-6; Rev. 5:1, 6-7); Nostrils (Ps. 18:8); mouth (Num. 12:8); lips and tongue (Isa. 30:27; feet (Ezek. 1:27; Exodus 24:10); eyes, eyelids, sight (Ps. 11:4; 18:24; 33:18); voice (Ps. 29; Rev. 10:3-4; Gen. 1); breath (Gen. 2:70; ears (Ps. 18:6); head, hair, face, arms (Dan. 7:9-14; 10:5-19; Rev. 5:1; loins (Ezek. 1:26:28; 8:1-4); bodily presence (Gen. 3:8; 18:1-22; Job 1:6-12; 2:1-7; Exodus 24:10-11); and many other bodily parts as required by Him to be a person with a body.

God goes from place to place just like any one else (Gen. 3:8; 11:5; 18:1-22, 33; 19:24; 32:24-32; 35:13; Zech. 14:5; Titus 2:13). God is omnipresent but not omni body, that is His presence can be felt everywhere but His body is not everywhere. God wears cloths (Dan. 7:9-14; 10:5-19; God eats food (Gen. 18:1-22; Exodus 24:11).