Two very simple questions

[Shilohsfoal]

2 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

We see that the judgment you are speaking of in Revelation 6:12-17 is during the first 3 1/2 years of the seven year tribulation. I do not believe Jesus said anything about when the stars of heaven would fall unto the earth.

Yes he did.Jesus said the stars of heaven would fall into the earth after the tribulation.

[Shilohsfoal]

1 minute ago, missmuffet said:

Do you think that the seven year tribulation has already started?

The tribulation for those Israelis starts when the king of the north gives the Israeli government a host.

[missmuffet]

2 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Yes he did.Jesus said the stars of heaven would fall into the earth after the tribulation.

No, the book of Revelation tells us that all the judgments will occur in the seven year tribulation.

[missmuffet]

1 minute ago, Shilohsfoal said:

The tribulation for those Israelis starts when the king of the north gives the Israeli government a host.

I am confused as to your interpretation. The 144,000 Israels will be sealed at the beginning of the seven year tribulation which is still future.

[unworthydude]

6 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

There was a couple of people in the other thread saying the 144,000 we're sealed before the tribulation.

So I was pointing out the simplest way i could to show them the 144,000 are sealed with God's name after their tribulation.

 

Here is why they are sealed with God's name after their tribulation.

 

http://biblehub.com/revelation/3-12.htm

This is a good verse you mentioned to support what I see also. The Tribulation is for the Jews first then the nations after. Mystery Babylon is Jerusalem and represents the Israelites who sit on many waters, a.k.a., "peoples and multitudes and nations and languages". These are the initial "1/3 of the earth" judgments that take place to warn and witness to the nations of their judgment.

• Deuteronomy 4:27-31  And the LORD will scatter you among the peoples, and you will be left few in number among the nations where the LORD will drive you.  (28)  And there you will serve gods of wood and stone, the work of human hands, that neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.  (29)  But from there you will seek the LORD your God and you will find him, if you search after him with all your heart and with all your soul.  (30)  When you are in tribulation, and all these things come upon you in the latter days, you will return to the LORD your God and obey his voice.  (31)  For the LORD your God is a merciful God. He will not leave you or destroy you or forget the covenant with your fathers that he swore to them.

 

It is because of the tribulation that they return, repent and become sealed. Someone could make the case that God is referring to them being sealed by His preknowledge which is highly probable.

Edited November 7, 2017 by unworthydude

[Shilohsfoal]

7 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

No, the book of Revelation tells us that all the judgments will occur in the seven year tribulation.

You should try reading the gospels.They are very infomative concering Jesus disciples.And Jesus says in the gospel that the stars of heaven fall unto the earth AFTER the tribulation.The same stars that fall into the earth before the 144,000 are sealed in revelation.

Try reading The gospel.

[missmuffet]

1 minute ago, Shilohsfoal said:

You should try reading the gospels.They are very infomative concering Jesus disciples.And Jesus says in the gospel that the stars of heaven fall unto the earth AFTER the tribulation.The same stars that fall into the earth before the 144,000 are sealed in revelation.

Try reading The gospel.

Try reading the Bible literally for which God had intended. Don't give those words your own meaning. That includes the book of Revelation. If some of those words are too difficult to get the true meaning go to the teachings of a Bible scholar who is going to teach the truth.

[Shilohsfoal]

15 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

Try reading the Bible literally for which God had intended. Don't give those words your own meaning. That includes the book of Revelation. If some of those words are too difficult to get the true meaning go to the teachings of a Bible scholar who is going to teach the truth.

 Jesus literally said the stars of heaven would fall into the earth after the tribulation in the gospel.You should really try to read the gospel some time.

[simplejeff]

9 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

 Jesus literally said the stars of heaven would fall into the earth after the tribulation in the gospel.You should really try to read the gospel some time.

hahaha ,  you're funny.

Scripture "literally" (the way you phrase it)

SAYS the sun AND the moon AND the stars would bow down to Joseph.......

 

you won't have fun where you are headed with the information you try posting .....

it is life and death dangerous.

[Psalms37:4]

16 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

It is proven these are sealed with the name of God after the stars of heaven fall into the earth which event Jesus said in the gospel takes place after the tribulation.

Also in daniel 11,these same saints suffer for 3 1/2 years before the time of the end.That is the tribulation they suffer.

Persecution 

Rev3:12 show why they are sealed with God's name.That they have overcome and why they are called Israel.

Okay, let me just clarify this. You believe the 144,000 are sealed after the tribulation because you see these two verses as parallels, is this correct?

 

Matthew 24:29 New King James Version (NKJV)

²⁹ “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

 

Revelation 6:12-13 New King James Version (NKJV)

¹² I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood. ¹³ And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind.