Last Daze Posted November 11, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,011 Content Per Day: 1.13 Reputation: 2,519 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted November 11, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said: The nation that calls itself Israel once existed,but did not exist at the time John wrote revelation,and yet it does now. You might need to rethink how you view nations. Nations are first and foremost people, not geography, not dirt, not governments. The nation of Israel may have been scattered but they have never ceased to exist. You really need to grasp that fundamental truth before you start contorting demographics and governments and geography as nations. This might help: These are the families of the sons of Noah, according to their genealogies, by their nations; and out of these the nations were separated on the earth after the flood. Genesis 10:32 According to God, nations are first and foremost, people. Notice the words families, and genealogies, and nations. The nation of Israel (descendants of Jacob) has never ceased to exist, so your assertion that they did not exist is false. They may not have existed as a nation according to your definition of a nation. But according to God's, they have never ceased to exist. Your point is not valid from a scriptural viewpoint. Edited November 11, 2017 by Last Daze 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted November 11, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.48 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted November 11, 2017 26 minutes ago, Yowm said: Where in the world Scriptures do you see that? Which ones do i not see it would be easier. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keras Posted November 11, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 55 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,684 Content Per Day: 0.63 Reputation: 301 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/31/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/07/1941 Share Posted November 11, 2017 10 minutes ago, Last Daze said: According to God, nations are first and foremost, people. Notice the words families, and genealogies, and nations. The nation of Israel (descendants of Jacob) has never ceased to exist, so your assertion that they did not exist is false. Right. And now the nation of Israel have had the Kingdom taken from them, it is now given to the nation of Christians, all who produce the proper fruit. Matthew 21:43, Colossians 1:12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted November 11, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.48 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted November 11, 2017 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Yowm said: Either way, give some scriptures which back your assertion. I already have In this thread .Go ahead and prove the scripture i,posted is wrong then I will give you,more proof. Edited November 11, 2017 by Shilohsfoal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted November 11, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.48 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted November 11, 2017 According to God,who is Israel? http://biblehub.com/exodus/4-22.htm If israel is the son of God as God has declared,then who is this reigning from Jerusalem calling himself Israel? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 1 hour ago, Keras said: Right. And now the nation of Israel have had the Kingdom taken from them, it is now given to the nation of Christians, all who produce the proper fruit. Matthew 21:43, Colossians 1:12 Yeah, that is some really bad exegesis. Matt. 21:43 pertains to the Kingdom being taken from the religious leadership. Israel isn't taken away from Israel. That is nonsense. The vineyard parable has the Kingdom of Israel as the vineyard and the wicked husbandmen representing the Pharisees. The text even says that the Pharisees understood correctly that Jesus was speaking about them. So you have that all wrong. The Christians were not given Israel. The Bible says nothing of the sort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 1 hour ago, Shilohsfoal said: And those who are chosen Will not worship the beast or receive his mark.Many of those messianic Israelis will die for their testimony ,they will be resurrected and Israel will reign with Christ for 1000 years in,peace. As for the Israeli government.It is the beast. This is a load of garbage. The Israeli government is not the beast. The beast is the Antichrist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 8 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said: Actually ,when John wrote revelation.The nation that calls itself Israel was not.And yet it is.The world was astonished (who's names are not written in the lambs book of life)when,they beheld it,and wanders after it. These are facts.Cold hard facts and there are many just like them. No, those are not cold hard facts. It is racist, anti-Semitic garbage produced by sloppy, incompetent handling of Scripture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 On 11/9/2017 at 6:58 PM, Shilohsfoal said: Who is this that claims the promised land belongs to him and says he give jews the right to return? Who is this that calls itself by the name "Israel"? Modern Israel is the fulfillment of biblical prophecy concerning the restoration of Israel (Ezek. 36, 37, Jer. 31, Zech 12: 1-10, Amos 8:14-15). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 On 11/10/2017 at 1:44 PM, Keras said: In no way is the Israeli government of the Jewish State of Israel, or are 99% of the people, who God wants in His holy Land. Read Isaiah 3:1-26 for what will happen to them very soon. This fate is reiterated in many other prophesies. The Land will be cleared and cleansed of all the ungodly peoples, only a remnant of the Messianic Jews will survive in Jerusalem. Isaiah 29:1-4 Then a people who bear the proper fruit, Matthew 21:42, every faithful Christian; will migrate into all of the holy Land. WE will be the people whom God always wanted in His Land, His witnesses, Isaiah 43:10 and the Light to the nations. Isaiah 49:8 Great will be the Day! Romans 9:24-26 More sloppy handling of Scripture. Isa. 3:1-26 is not an end time prophecy of Israel. It was a condemnation of the S. kingdom of Judah for their idolatry. There is nothing the Bible about faithful Christians migrating into the holy land. That is just something you are making up stuff up out of thin air. It's just more vile anti-Semitic trash. Modern Israel is exactly where it needs to be by the hand of God and the Jews are there because God wants them there. YOU may not want them there, but don't project this hatred of Jews on to God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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