Days of Creation - Must they be Consecutive?

[Justin Adams]

There is no reason, except the convoluted 'reason' of mankind to suggest anything BUT the Genesis account is the truth.

You cannot defy it by science, study or theory. But you can confuse it with theory, bad science and supposition.

He that 'flung the stars into the heavens' and cloaked all with His glory is not a man that he should lie, or the son of man that He should repent (have second thoughts).

We are often confounded by our lack of belief and led astray by fanciful words and post-modern babble.

Yahweh is so very, very, very far above us in thought and ability that one may wonder:

3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;

4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?

5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.

6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:

[Enoch2021]

On 11/14/2017 at 7:57 PM, Abdicate said:

Revelation 8:12 (KJV)
And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.  

After the two mountains and star hit the earth, a third of the day and a third of the night are removed. Those are time-based reference therefore, a 24 hour rotation period will need to be increased by a third.

The Earth doesn't 'rotate' , it's Stationary.  To Refute, then:

1.  Please post the Scripture(s) denoting rotation...?

2.  Or reconcile this...

For the Coriolis Effect to Exist, you MUST HAVE (i.e., the "Necessary Conditions"): 1. Two differing Frames of Reference (One Rotating Coordinate System (Non-Inertial) --- The Earth  and One Non-Rotating Coordinate System (Inertial)-- The Atmosphere ...and anything in it)...

"CC.12 The Coriolis Effect:

When set in motion, freely moving objects, including AIR [Atmosphere] and WATER masses [Clouds/Water Vapor], move in straight paths while the Earth continues to

                                                                                 ROTATE INDEPENDENTLY.

Because freely moving objects ARE NOT carried with the Earth as it Rotates, they are subject to an apparent deflection called the “Coriolis effect.” To an observer rotating with the Earth, freely moving objects that travel in a straight line appear to travel in a curved path on the Earth."

Segar, Douglas A; Introduction to Ocean Sciences, 2nd Edition: Critical Concept Reminders -- CC.12 The Coriolis Effect (pp. 313, 314, 323, 324), ISBN: 978-0-393-92629-3, 2007.

http://www.wwnorton.com/college/geo/oceansci/cc/cc12.html

 

In other words, anything not "Tethered" to the Earth is 'Freely Moving'.

2. The Object in question not Physically Attached to the Rotating Coordinate System appears to deflect (i.e., Moves Independently of the Rotating Coordinate System) from the vantage point anywhere on the rotating coordinate system -- aka: the 'Coriolis Effect'.

So, if the Coriolis Effect Exists (with Respect to the Earth), then a Flight from Charlotte North Carolina to LA (Non-Stop) traveling @ 500 mph (Air Speed) --- with both locations roughly 35th degree N Latitude, (i.e., both 'allegedly' spinning @ 860 mph ) should be ~ *1.5 hours!!* (But it's ~ *4.5 hrs!!*)

Charlotte to LA Flight: Air Speed 500 mph. Ground Speed: 500 mph + 860 mph "Alleged" rotation speed = 1360 mph.

So in my example:

1. Two differing Frames of Reference: (Earth and Atmosphere -- and everything in it) 2. The Plane in the Atmosphere is "Freely Moving" (not attached) to the Rotating Coordinate System and is flying in a straight path. In other words, Based on the Law of Non-Contradiction each (The Coriolis Effect and the Charlotte Flight at 1.5 hours) are either: Both TRUE or Both FALSE.

The Flight is most assuredly FALSE!! 

In conclusion, the Earth is *NOT* "Spinning"; ERGO..."The Ball" goes by way of the DoDo Bird or you're a Stationary Ball Geo-Centrist. Voila.

The only way the above can be refuted is if you're of the position that the Atmosphere 'spins' with the Earth. So then:

1. Please explain how the Coriolis Effect can EXIST when the NECESSARY CONDITIONS for it to EXIST are Two Differing Coordinate Systems (Reference Frames) -- One Rotating --"Earth" and One Non-Rotating-- the "Atmosphere" and everything in it...?

2. Show the Experiment where 'Gases'/Gas rotate in Lock-Step with a Rotating Solid Body just 5 cm above the surface, then provide the mechanism....?

3. Please explain "EAST/North/South" Surface Winds...?  

(Bonus Question: How you can have different wind speeds and directions simultaneously at differing elevations of the atmosphere while the atmosphere is collectively 'spinning' East, in Unison...?)

btw, These are Contradictory Statements:

1. The Atmosphere 'spins' in Lock-Step with the Earth.

2. The Existence of "EAST/North/South" Surface Winds.

Which do you think is FALSE?

MOREOVER, following the 'yarn'... Every Cubic Nanometer of atmosphere traveling horizontally from the equator to the center of rotationMUST HAVE differing Tangential Speeds; and every Cubic Nanometer of atmosphere rising in elevation from each respective horizontal Cubic Nanometer of atmosphere MUST HAVE differing Tangential Speeds (In fact, the higher the elevation... the faster they'll need to travel to keep up !!); and all of this rolling along at differing speeds... in Unison, EAST?? 

This is so far beyond Preposterous Ludicrousness Absurdity, 'evolution' (whatever that is??) and Multiverses... are BLUSHING!!

AND, does anyone know how far up this 'Increasing Speed' Rope-A-Dope Fairytale Spinning Atmosphere ENDS?? I'd like to see that...it'll give a Whole New Meaning to Guillotine "WIND SHEAR"!! Goodness Gracious People.  

ps. Are the Gas Molecules attached to each other by: Velcro?? Glue?? Pixie Dust?? Other?? And where is the energy coming from for the continuous "Shot in the Arm" injections needed to keep each successive Cubic Nanometer of atmosphere higher elevation brethren in tow?

Alice in Wonderland is more tenable than the "Spinning-Ball" religion.

 

regards

[dprprb]

4 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

You need to actually speak English instead of using convoluted wording.  I have no idea what you just wrote or what your main idea is. 

God enacts Noahs flood by either  1) mechanisms that exist from Creation where the land is called forth from 'the waters' or 2) by returning to that time (Gen 1:1) because He is 'destroying' the land and the breathing creatures and reenacting the first day while Noah safely floats. Citing Gen 1:1 is popular to people who see a global flood and by assumption recall the #1 mechanism for God to enact this Flood. But if God creates a global flood by going back to Gen 1:1 to start over with a clean slate then it is possible that comments about that from elsewhere in scripture can be mistaken as Gap theory preamble to Gen1:1 becuase as an explanation of how the flooding occurs God actually goes back  via#2 to make it happen. Because it is God that goes back because the world was full of violence in Noahs time becuase of Satan then God infuses Scripture with that reasoning. Taking that into account means that Gap theorists have picked up these indicators of this elsewhere in Scripture but  are also hotdoggin time onto the end to accomplish some other agenda which doesnt belong there. Acceptance of #2 method kills the local flood idea in the same stroke because God goes back to Gen1:1 to make it happen.

 

You have to think carefully about the differences of #1 and #2 - one implies naturally that the world Noah steps back out onto is inherently the same it just gets dunked. That's why i say Mt Everest has nothing to do with the height of the Flood waters.

[SkyWriting]

On 11/10/2017 at 1:34 PM, shiloh357 said:

The Gap theory holds that there was a pre-adamite race of human beings on a pre-adamite earth, and God destroyed that race of humans to extinction, wiped out the face of the earth and basically started over with Adam and Eve.  The problem is that it means that sin's origin is pre-Adam, which contradicts Rom. 5:12-21. 

Sin only follows knowledge of the law.....so anyone not possessing the law does not have any sin counted against them.

[SkyWriting]

On 11/16/2017 at 11:33 AM, dprprb said:

That's why i say Mt Everest has nothing to do with the height of the Flood waters.

It is silly to gauge the depth of Flood waters based on modern geography.

[Guest shiloh357]

On 11/18/2017 at 3:47 AM, SkyWriting said:

Sin only follows knowledge of the law.....so anyone not possessing the law does not have any sin counted against them.

The problem is that Noah's flood predates the law of Moses and yet God punished the world because of sin.   What that means is that even though "the law"  was not given, there was  a law, a moral standard known  to the people at that time, given by God, and was the basis for judgment.   Same would have applied to a pre-adamite race.  There was a law of some kind that would have defined sin, meaning that sin would pre-date Adam and that contradicts the Bible.

[ezekiel]

On 11/14/2017 at 8:57 PM, Abdicate said:

Revelation 8:12 (KJV)
And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.  

After the two mountains and star hit the earth, a third of the day and a third of the night are removed. Those are time-based reference therefore, a 24 hour rotation period will need to be increased by a third. Therefore, one-third of 24 is 8, leaving 16 hours for the day and night full rotation. To speed up the earth's rotation, they will both hit from the west heading east (oddly, just like the movies) because the earth rotates counter-clockwise. To speed up, we increase our counter-clockwise rotation speed by 8 hours. To clarify, the current 24-hour rotation period (to define a "day") will become a 16-hour rotation period, literally, shortening the times, Matt24:22.

 

Just that I may add that now earth has slowed down and neither will your clocks see it. All is based off of the stars even life span of flesh.  We see it as rotation but its more liken that of a cork screw. When the stars get where they need to be as seen in my picture above life span in the inner court will be as a oak tree even longer. Life in the outer parts not so long because of what we call magnetic fields being stronger in the center. Many will soon wish they may die and will not be able.

[Sol Man]

God days and there's man days, we may not even understand the time that God has ie God can go forwards and backwards in time...

[dprprb]

2 hours ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

More importantly, is "the adam" "Adam"?

Source: Adam

Is ‘adam “Adam”?

Posted by Dr. Heiser | Jun 20, 2012 | AAG, Adam, Anthropology, Genesis, Hebrew Bible (OT), NakedBible, Pentateuch |

Dr. Heiser then provides a corrected translation on this basis.

THANKS SoBG!!

From the Dr. on your link-

"This brings us to Genesis 3 and the Fall, of course, but a few things are apparent, or at least worth thinking about:

1. It’s quite possible to read Genesis 1-2 without thinking that the two humans in the story are specific people."

      

     I was reading Dr. Steven Dimattei's assessements( a biblical scholar) for this type of opinion among scholars....i was looking for the occurence of translation variants (i.e. that Gap theory uses in Gen 1:1-5  between "was" and 'becomes' void. (not to change the subject) ) and generally trying to understand the fundamental Hebrew text.

 

THANK YOU

 

[one.opinion]

On 12/6/2017 at 9:13 AM, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

Source: Adam

Is ‘adam “Adam”?

Posted by Dr. Heiser | Jun 20, 2012 | AAG, Adam, Anthropology, Genesis, Hebrew Bible (OT), NakedBible, Pentateuch |

Thanks for sharing this!