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8 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

No, I don't wonder about that.    You don't believe in assurance because you are focused on trying to earn God's favor through your own efforts.   I wouldn't have any assurance either if my salvation rested on me getting everything right.  Fortunately, that is not what salvation is based on.

Thank you, Shiloh.

Whether saved or not, I shall continue to strive to be righteous for my Lord.
I believe all men aught to seek God's righteousness.

For the righteous LORD loves righteousness;
His countenance doth behold the upright.

Psalm 11:7

Seek the kingdom of God, and His righteousness;
and all things shall be added unto you.

Matthew 6:33

 

8 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

In the above passage, Paul was admonishing the Corinthian church not to have their internal conflicts settled in the secular courts.   It doesn't mean that Christians will judge other Christians.  You are applying it here to something it was never intended to address. 

In that passage, St Paul does mention judging our brethren,
and he also mentions about us judging angels, and judging the world,
none of which is ever done in secular courts.

In that passage St Paul is speaking to our shame,
which is our inability or unwillingness to judge.
And I also showed a verse from the Psalms that you might see what St Paul is speaking about.
And now I will show you the commandments that St Paul is speaking about. 

Ye shall do My judgments, and keep Mine ordinances, to walk therein:
I am the LORD your God.

Leviticus 18:4

Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment:
thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty:
but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.

Leviticus 19:15
 

8 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

No, he is not.  You need to pay attention to the context.

Oh, so you are not judging me? 

that I need to pay attention to context
that I am miss applying scripture
that I am not saved
etc

Or you don't think what I say is controversial?

 

7 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

He is what the Bible says He is, not what you say or think He is.

My Bible tells me that Jesus is the word, the Son of God,
and that He is the light which is the life of men.

For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light;
and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:

Proverbs 6:23

Jesus is also our Lord, King, Prince, and Shepherd,
and He shall feed us.

To the law 
and to the testimony:
if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Isaiah 8:20

7 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

No, it is not. If you knew the Gospel, you would understand that.   Our message to the world is to repent of their sin, and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation.  Our message is for the world to obey the Gospel.

Maybe it is different in Australia, Shiloh.
But I went to nearly all the Churches, at one time or another,
and regardless of the denomination, they invariably called on newcomers to come forth and offer up their life to Jesus.

Yes we get that gospel in our ear too.
But the first we are told to do is to make the ram offering.
(Only we are not told that is a ram offering.)
 

7 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

No, it does not.

Here it is.

And when any will offer a meat offering unto the LORD, his offering shall be of fine flour;
and he shall pour oil upon it, and put frankincense thereon:
and he shall bring it to Aaron's sons the priests:
and he shall take thereout his handful of the flour thereof, and of the oil thereof, with all the frankincense thereof;
and the priest shall burn the memorial of it upon the altar,
to be an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD:
and the remnant of the meat offering shall be Aaron's and his sons':
it is a thing most holy of the offerings of the LORD made by fire.

Leviticus 2:1-3

I know, you probably don't consider yourself a son of Aaron, or a priest,
but if you truly are saved,
then Jesus did you make you a priest to God, when He washed you in His blood.

I believe we really aught to be keeping His sayings.
 

7 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

No, it is not.  You haven't got a clue about what you're talking about.

That's what you tell me. 
So what do you call your witnessing?

Don't you hope some of your words will lodge in me, and I get saved because of you?
 

7 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

No one said that Jesus commanded us to sacrifice animals.   God the Father in the OT commanded literal animal sacrifices of the Israelites.

I believe Jesus is the Lord our God
and that He gave His commandment for all the children of God, whom He calls Israel.

Hear, O heavens,
and give ear, O earth:
for the LORD hath spoken,
I have nourished and brought up children, and they have rebelled against Me.
The ox knows his owner, and the ass his master's crib:
but Israel doth not know,
My people doth not consider.

Isaiah 1:2-3

 

7 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

No, you were not.   You are talking about someone who continues to sin and we were discussing the biblical doctrine of assurance.  Peter was talking about something altogether different than we were discussing.

You were saying if you sin after you are saved, you stand forgiven.

Peter is saying if we turn from the law that is given to us, and so return to sinning,
our end will be worse than if we never got saved.
 

7 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

Actually, those of who have assurance the ones who knows what Jesus says.

I noticed.
Like you said you know Jesus meant "shall be saved from sin" when Jesus said "shall be saved".

You got that from true life experience, I suppose.
 

7 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

It is not about denying your ears and eyes.

...their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed;
lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears,
and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
But blessed are your eyes, for they see:
and your ears, for they hear.

Matthew 13:15-16
 

7 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

It is about your utter lack of faith in the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross.

But I have absolute faith in all of God's word, not just in His Son's sacrifice,
because I have faith in God.

And He said, I will hide My face from them,
I will see what their end shall be:
for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.

Deuteronomy 32:20

 

7 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

It is your arrogant, fleshly pride that wants salvation to be something you deserve, based on your own merits and works of righteousness.

I am bold in judgment. You mistake it for pride.

I believe,
blessed are they that please the Lord.
If we do not please Him, we shall not be saved.
You know that He will say to many, "you never knew Me".
I be zealous therefore, and repent daily.
I meditate in the law daily, as per His commandment.

The knowledge of the commandments of the Lord is the doctrine of life:
and they that do things that please Him shall receive the fruit of the tree of immortality.

Ecclesiasticus 19:19
 

 

7 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

That is why you're not a believer.   You may have religion, but you don't have Jesus and are not in the Kingdom of God.   You're a hell-bound sinner and your sliding down a greased pole straight into hell,  but you sit here in your false humility trying to spiritual and you're only sealing your doom.   You trust in your own "bullocks" more than you trust Jesus.

I know, you think all my bullocks are bull.

What matters to me is that God's word confirms me.

 

 

7 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

Yes, you have to be saved to know what Jesus is saying and what He is saying isn't even close to what YOU say He is saying.    You pervert His words to mean something He didn't intend in order to justify your faith in your own merits and not in Christ.

I quoted His words.
The only thing I changed was the color of the font.

So really, Jesus was not close to what you are saying,
because He forgot say "from sin" when He said saved,
and He forgot to offer a full explanation like you gave, on the difference between 'being saved' and 'being saved from sin'.
 

 

7 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

No, in that verse He is talking about His disciples sitting on 12 thrones.  That does not include me.

That verse does include me.
I picked up my cross and follow Him.

 

7 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

It is absurd to you because as an unregenerate sinnner, you are incapable of comprehending the truth of Scripture.   It was people like you that Paul was talking about when he said: "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."(1Co 2:14)

No, it is absurd to me because I cannot believe that God ever asked men to needlessly kill animals.
And this is confirmed in me by the Spirit, because I brought it to Him.

And though all men believe that their gracious God once gave a carnal commandment,
I shall not follow after them, but after the Spirit.

If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual,
let him acknowledge
that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

1 Corinthians 14:37

 

7 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

No, they don't mean what YOU say they mean.  I am not against the Scriptures.  I am against the way you misuse them and the rubbish you continually spew.

You say no to them, every time.

You stomp your foot and say I am wrong, but I can read.
And I am able ask to Jesus these things also.
Do you?
Does He tell you what He commanded unto the Israelites?

And I will meet with thee,
and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat,
from between the two cherubims which are upon the ark of the testimony,
of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.

Exodus 25:22

 

7 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

Yes you are.   You take what Jesus said and misapply it.   You have no skill or competence in handling the Word of God.

I have shown you things in the word that you have never heard before.

And maybe I did mishandle the word, but you didn't handle it at all.

 

7 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

We are not sheep in the sacrificial sense that you are presenting.   You equate us as sheep with the sheep offered as sacrifices which typify Jesus and that is a very grotesque misuse of the Bible.

I am willing to sacrifice myself for Him.

For whosoever will save his life shall lose it:
and whosoever will lose his life for My sake shall find it.

Matthew 16:25

Bless Jesus :emot-heartbeat:
Paul



O Jerusalem, Jerusalem,
which kill the prophets, and stone them that are sent unto thee;
how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings,
and ye would not!

Luke 13:34
 

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21 hours ago, HarvestLabourer said:

Thank you, Shiloh.

Whether saved or not, I shall continue to strive to be righteous for my Lord.
I believe all men aught to seek God's righteousness.

For the righteous LORD loves righteousness;
His countenance doth behold the upright.

Psalm 11:7

Seek the kingdom of God, and His righteousness;
and all things shall be added unto you.

Matthew 6:33

You don't believe Jesus was/isGod according to your other website where you are leading people to Hell.  Your "Jesus" was/is just a man, which means you worship a created being and not God, which means that you engage in idolatry.   So don't talk about righteousness while you worship an idol.

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In that passage, St Paul does mention judging our brethren,
and he also mentions about us judging angels, and judging the world,
none of which is ever done in secular courts.

If you read the context, which spans chapter 5 and 6, it was about an issue of incest where a man was having sex with his step mother.   The entire context was about not having that dirty laundry aired in the Corinthian courts where the magistrates were reprobates who would not inherit the Kingdom of God.   Paul simply states that one day, believers will judge angels and the world.   We will not judge the people, as that is God's domain, but we will judge in the affairs of the world.

 

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Oh, so you are not judging me? 

that I need to pay attention to context
that I am miss applying scripture
that I am not saved
etc

Or you don't think what I say is controversial?

 

I am not judging  you.  You are already under God's judgment.  I am simply stating the fact that what you post is false teaching and proves that you have never been saved, are not part of the Kingdom of God and are doomed to eternity in Hell if you don't repent of your sin and turn to God.   Stop sitting here lying and claiming to be that you are saved when we all know that you are not saved and never were.  You sit here in your fake humility trying to sound spiritual and play others for fools, and I am not buying any of it. 

 

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My Bible tells me that Jesus is the word, the Son of God,
and that He is the light which is the life of men.

For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light;
and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:

Proverbs 6:23

Jesus is also our Lord, King, Prince, and Shepherd,
and He shall feed us.

 

Jesus is God, that is the part that you left out.  If you get the deity of Jesus wrong, it really doesn't matter what else you are right about.

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Maybe it is different in Australia, Shiloh.
But I went to nearly all the Churches, at one time or another,
and regardless of the denomination, they invariably called on newcomers to come forth and offer up their life to Jesus.

Yes we get that gospel in our ear too.
But the first we are told to do is to make the ram offering.
(Only we are not told that is a ram offering.)
 

Here it is.

And when any will offer a meat offering unto the LORD, his offering shall be of fine flour;
and he shall pour oil upon it, and put frankincense thereon:
and he shall bring it to Aaron's sons the priests:
and he shall take thereout his handful of the flour thereof, and of the oil thereof, with all the frankincense thereof;
and the priest shall burn the memorial of it upon the altar,
to be an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD:
and the remnant of the meat offering shall be Aaron's and his sons':
it is a thing most holy of the offerings of the LORD made by fire.

Leviticus 2:1-3

 

Yeah, the problem is that what you are doing is perverting the Gospel.  Salvation is not us offering up ourselves as sacrifices.  You completely miss the Gospel.  It's why you are not saved.
 

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I know, you probably don't consider yourself a son of Aaron, or a priest,
but if you truly are saved,
then Jesus did you make you a priest to God, when He washed you in His blood.

The Bible never calls believers sons fo Aaron.   The reason I don't believe that garbage is because it is lie.   The priesthood changed from Aaron to the order of Melchi-Tzedek and the only priest of the order of Melchi-Tzedek is Jesus.  
 

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I believe we really aught to be keeping His sayings.

Then you need to obey the true Gospel and not the crazy snake oil you are peddling here and repent of your and trust Jesus alone for salvation.   If you REALLY wanted to keep His sayings you would believe His Gospel.   It appears you claim to believe any other part of the Bible except the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

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That's what you tell me. 
So what do you call your witnessing?

My testmony.
 

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I believe Jesus is the Lord our God
and that He gave His commandment for all the children of God, whom He calls Israel.

Hear, O heavens,
and give ear, O earth:
for the LORD hath spoken,
I have nourished and brought up children, and they have rebelled against Me.
The ox knows his owner, and the ass his master's crib:
but Israel doth not know,
My people doth not consider.

Isaiah 1:2-3

The problem is that you have taken His commandments and twisted them into a works-based system of righteousness. 
 

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You were saying if you sin after you are saved, you stand forgiven.

Peter is saying if we turn from the law that is given to us, and so return to sinning,
our end will be worse than if we never got saved.

No, that is not what Peter is saying.   The entire passage has to do with apostates and their false teachers.  The reason a person returns to sin is because they were never saved to start with.   Apostates are not ex-Chrsstians.  They are people who assented to the Christian religion, but never embraced Jesus. They participated in the Christian "culture" but had no relationship with Jesus and so they return to their sin because they remained unregenerate.  A true Christian never falls away.
 

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I noticed.
Like you said you know Jesus meant "shall be saved from sin" when Jesus said "shall be saved".

You got that from true life experience, I suppose.

No, I get that from the Bible and I know how to use context as an interpretative tool, something that is completely lost on you.
 

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But I have absolute faith in all of God's word, not just in His Son's sacrifice,
because I have faith in God.

No, you don't.   What you say here and what you say in other posts simply doesn't agree.

 

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I am bold in judgment. You mistake it for pride.

No mistake.  It is pride.  It is pride that masquerades as humility and spirituality
 

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I believe,
blessed are they that please the Lord.
If we do not please Him, we shall not be saved.
You know that He will say to many, "you never knew Me".
I be zealous therefore, and repent daily.
I meditate in the law daily, as per His commandment.

We don't please him to be saved.  We please him because we are saved.  If you are still trying to get saved on the grounds of pleasing God, you're going to hell.
 

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I know, you think all my bullocks are bull.

What matters to me is that God's word confirms me.

No, the Bible stands as a witness and a judgment against you and your false Gospel. 
 

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I quoted His words.
The only thing I changed was the color of the font.

You quote and then misrepresent His words.
 

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So really, Jesus was not close to what you are saying,
because He forgot say "from sin" when He said saved,
and He forgot to offer a full explanation like you gave, on the difference between 'being saved' and 'being saved from sin'.

When Jesus said that, it was in the context of the great Tribulation and who would be "saved" out of it in the end.  Those believers who endure to the end would "saved"  in the sense of being delivered or preserved.   That is what Jesus was saying.   Jesus was not saying we have to endure in order to be saved from sin.  That is not even part of the context or line of thought in entire conversation Jesus was having.   Jesus was talking about the end times, not how to be saved from sin.   

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That verse does include me.
I picked up my cross and follow Him.

No, that verse only applies to the 12 apostles, not to you.  But your blind incompetence won't let you see just how sloppy you are in handling Scripture.
 

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No, it is absurd to me because I cannot believe that God ever asked men to needlessly kill animals.

Actually, the Bible and history say you are wrong.  God would not have given such detailed instructions on how to seperate and burn the sacrifices and what to do with the blood and fat if it were not literal.  I will believe the Bible and reject your nonsense.

 

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And this is confirmed in me by the Spirit, because I brought it to Him.

I am sure it was confirmed to you by "a" spirit, whatever false, evil spirit it is that is helping you make these posts, but you didn't get that from the Holy Spirit.
 

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You say no to them, every time.

No, I say no to your sloppy interpretations.

 

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You stomp your foot and say I am wrong, but I can read.

You can read, but you can't interpret correctly.

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And I am able ask to Jesus these things also.

I am sure the fake Jesus you worship tells you all kinds of things.

 

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Does He tell you what He commanded unto the Israelites?

And I will meet with thee,
and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat,
from between the two cherubims which are upon the ark of the testimony,
of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.

Exodus 25:22

 

No, because I am not an Israelite and secondly because Jesus has already fulfilled His role in making propitiation for my sins.   So I don't need a mercy seat.  I have Jesus.   He doesn't "meet with me."  He lives within me.

In order to subscribe to your warped theology,  I would have to go backwards, I would have to reject the pure Gospel of Jesus to adopt your belief system.

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I have shown you things in the word that you have never heard before.

LOL  :24:   No, no you have not.   You have only shown that there is no end to your false teaching. 

 

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And maybe I did mishandle the word, but you didn't handle it at all.


 

I handled it correctly, and you continue in your delusions.

 

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I am willing to sacrifice myself for Him.

Seriously doubt that.   And sacrificing yourself for a false notion about God is not meritorious.

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Thank you, Shiloh,

and my blessing to you also.
But all your focus has turned to me, and attacking my person, and casting doubt upon my salvation,
which is not the topic here.

My opinion the scripture is saying there will be a restored children of God in the future, 
keeping all the commandments as God commanded, but not after a carnal interpretation.

They will keep the commandments by their faith from Jesus.
And the Holy Ghost will be showing them how.

Jesus is the Lord our God
Praise Him :emot-heartbeat:
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That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us,
who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh;
but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
For to be carnally minded is death;
but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Romans 8:4-6

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14 hours ago, HarvestLabourer said:

Thank you, Shiloh,

and my blessing to you also.
But all your focus has turned to me, and attacking my person, and casting doubt upon my salvation,
which is not the topic here.

What you present as the Gospel is based on works and not faith, coupled with a rejection of Jesus as God and a rejection of any literal interpretation of Scripture.  You're a false teacher and I need to make sure that you're views are rejected by others, that you have no influence here and no one is led astray by your wildly heretical views of Jesus.   Your heresies flavor how you handle the topic of the thread, as can be seen.

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My opinion the scripture is saying there will be a restored children of God in the future, 
keeping all the commandments as God commanded, but not after a carnal interpretation.

Which is ironic given that all you present is a carnal,heretical  interpretation of Scripture.

 

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Thank you for that, Eileen.
 

On 12/22/2017 at 11:17 AM, eileenhat said:

The passage I underlined indicates that the high priest will be from the line of Zadok.

One article I read states that Jesus is from that line and thus is the eternal high priest.

Thanks for the link.
I decided to do some research to see if that is the case.
I started with the genealogies of Jesus given in Matthew and Luke, and Zadok isn't in His line.
Even Eleazer isn't in Jesus' line back to Abraham (though there is another Eleazar, but much later).

Then it struck me, when I read the first sentence of Matthew again.

The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
Matthew 1:1

Jesus comes down the line from David,
and Zadok was the high priest in David's time.

I'm not very good at genealogy,
but doesn't that tell us definitely that Jesus cannot be in the line of Zadok?
Zadok would have had to have been David's father, or son, to be in the same line, wouldn't he?
Which he wasn't.
David came from a different son of Levi.

I think the presumption that our High Priest had to be of that line is wrong.
And there are plenty of indications that Jesus is of David,
and none really, that say He is of Zadok.

And I will set up one shepherd over them,
and He shall feed them, even My servant David;
He shall feed them, and He shall be their shepherd. 

Ezekiel 34:23

And Jesus answered and said, while He taught in the temple,
How say the scribes that Christ is the Son of David?
Mark 12:35

He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest:
and the Lord God shall give unto Him the throne of His father David:

Luke 1:32

Hath not the scripture said, That Christ comes of the seed of David,
and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was?

John 7:42

Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to My gospel:
2 Timothy 2:8

I Jesus have sent Mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches.
I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Revelation 22:16

Praise Jesus :emot-heartbeat:
Paul

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