Unfailing Presence Posted November 26, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 649 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 170 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/26/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted November 26, 2017 (edited) I have always loved reading of David , one of my top biblical personalities . It did occur to me one day in regard to his great sin , that God proclaimed that because of his sin : " Now therefore the sword shall never depart from thine house ." ( 2 Samuel 12 : 10 ) Meaning that inter-family strife and particularly bloodshed would be a constant circumstance that " would NEVER depart " within the bloodline of David . The Lord being true to His Word . Which means to me that somewhere on planet earth today is a family of Jewish heritage that is dogged by bloodshed , murder and hate within the family as far back as they can look . Has anyone ever heard of any modern Jewish family ever laying claim to this tragic proclamation by God and then verified by what would seen to be a constant state of family violence going back several generations ? I trust the Word of God on this so His declaration of the Violence within the Davidic line still holds true in 2017 . I just wonder if any Jewish family has ever put the pieces together of why they seemed to be plagued by family hate ? Edited November 26, 2017 by Unfailing Presence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarvestLabourer Posted December 5, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 328 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 114 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/08/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/27/1957 Share Posted December 5, 2017 Thank you, UP. I heard it said of some, that the world is governed by bankers and businessmen of Jewish descent, and that these are the financiers of wars, so when I read your post, something clicked which said, that sounds about right. And till now the sword is inflicting strife among all the families in earth. Even so, praise Jesus Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 On 11/26/2017 at 9:57 AM, Unfailing Presence said: I have always loved reading of David , one of my top biblical personalities . It did occur to me one day in regard to his great sin , that God proclaimed that because of his sin : " Now therefore the sword shall never depart from thine house ." ( 2 Samuel 12 : 10 ) Meaning that inter-family strife and particularly bloodshed would be a constant circumstance that " would NEVER depart " within the bloodline of David . The Lord being true to His Word . Which means to me that somewhere on planet earth today is a family of Jewish heritage that is dogged by bloodshed , murder and hate within the family as far back as they can look . Has anyone ever heard of any modern Jewish family ever laying claim to this tragic proclamation by God and then verified by what would seen to be a constant state of family violence going back several generations ? I trust the Word of God on this so His declaration of the Violence within the Davidic line still holds true in 2017 . I just wonder if any Jewish family has ever put the pieces together of why they seemed to be plagued by family hate ? "House" does not mean "family." In the OT, "House" had to do with one's Kingdom. God does not have an eternal vendetta on the descendants of David, if there are any (other than Jesus) still alive today. God was talking about the sword not departing the kingdom of David. That earthly kingdom is non existent. So, you are not interpreting that passage correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unfailing Presence Posted December 5, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 649 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 170 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/26/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 5, 2017 6 minutes ago, shiloh357 said: "House" does not mean "family." In the OT, "House" had to do with one's Kingdom. God does not have an eternal vendetta on the descendants of David, if there are any (other than Jesus) still alive today. God was talking about the sword not departing the kingdom of David. That earthly kingdom is non existent. So, you are not interpreting that passage correctly. In that case we should know exactly who in David's line was the last recipient of this declaration from God since it terminated ? Do you know who that was ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 51 minutes ago, Unfailing Presence said: In that case we should know exactly who in David's line was the last recipient of this declaration from God since it terminated ? Do you know who that was ? The last king of Judah that was of David's line before the exile to Babylon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarvestLabourer Posted December 5, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 328 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 114 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/08/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/27/1957 Share Posted December 5, 2017 9 hours ago, shiloh357 said: God does not have an eternal vendetta on the descendants of David, if there are any (other than Jesus) still alive today. Hi Shiloh. Check out what God says.Hear the word of the LORD, ye children of Israel:for the LORD hath a controversy with the inhabitants of the land, because there is no truth, nor mercy, nor knowledge of God in the land. Hosea 4:1 You are right, that it is not a vendetta. It is the sword not departing. Bless God Paul If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land: But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it. Isaiah 1:19-20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted December 5, 2017 Share Posted December 5, 2017 17 minutes ago, HarvestLabourer said: Hi Shiloh. Check out what God says.Hear the word of the LORD, ye children of Israel:for the LORD hath a controversy with the inhabitants of the land, because there is no truth, nor mercy, nor knowledge of God in the land. Hosea 4:1 You are right, that it is not a vendetta. It is the sword not departing. Bless God Paul If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land: But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it. Isaiah 1:19-20 Are you anti-Israel? What do you think about the modern state of Israel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unfailing Presence Posted December 5, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 649 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 170 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/26/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 5, 2017 10 hours ago, HarvestLabourer said: Thank you, UP. I heard it said of some, that the world is governed by bankers and businessmen of Jewish descent, and that these are the financiers of wars, so when I read your post, something clicked which said, that sounds about right. And till now the sword is inflicting strife among all the families in earth. Even so, praise Jesus Paul I don't know Paul , I think it is in the heart of man to " make war " no matter what socio-economic status they have . As for this Business with the sword and the " House Of David " I personally believe the strong language " the sword will never depart thy house " used by the Lord to mean something more than a few years . My experience is that when God uses language such as this He is going big not small . The " one day is as a thousand years " principle if you will . The Peace of the Lord + be with you . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarvestLabourer Posted December 6, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 328 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 114 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/08/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/27/1957 Share Posted December 6, 2017 On 12/6/2017 at 8:09 AM, shiloh357 said: Are you anti-Israel? Thank you, Shiloh. No. On 12/6/2017 at 8:09 AM, shiloh357 said: What do you think about the modern state of Israel? I don't take thought for it. I'd rather think about the kingdom of God. The kingdom of heaven is at hand, but Israel is on the other side of the world to me. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarvestLabourer Posted December 7, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 328 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 114 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/08/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/27/1957 Share Posted December 7, 2017 On 12/6/2017 at 8:39 AM, Unfailing Presence said: I don't know Paul , I think it is in the heart of man to " make war " no matter what socio-economic status they have . Thank you, Unfailing. I don't believe so. The hearts of men are good by default. God did good when He made him. And I see that most everyone is peace loving and abhors war. There is a general distaste in man for violence. It hits the news when it happens, and we say to each other, That is crazy, and, Why? It is when we are corrupted by rulers that are out to make gain, then we are driven to war. On 12/6/2017 at 8:39 AM, Unfailing Presence said: As for this Business with the sword and the " House Of David " I personally believe the strong language " the sword will never depart thy house " used by the Lord to mean something more than a few years . My experience is that when God uses language such as this He is going big not small . The " one day is as a thousand years " principle if you will . I agree. What God says is. Peace of the Lord with you also. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts