Sister Posted November 29, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 17 Topic Count: 50 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,727 Content Per Day: 1.04 Reputation: 2,305 Days Won: 5 Joined: 06/29/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted November 29, 2017 1 minute ago, Shilohsfoal said: http://biblehub.com/ezekiel/38-8.htm A land that has recovered from war. Armageddon is going to mess that place up.That war so bad that it is even mentioned in Ezekiel. Shilohsfoal Exactly. This war is different. Gog and his armies only surround the camp of the saints and fire comes down from heaven and destroys them on the spot. This time Israel are prepared spiritually, for they are holy now, full of truth and good fruits. They have the Lord as their shield for they have been following the Lamb during that whole 1000 yrs. Compare that to a thousand years before, there is no war there in Israel, and not one single death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted November 30, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,990 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,688 Content Per Day: 11.83 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted November 30, 2017 5 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said: As I said missmuffet,They are the same invasion and no mention of any war by Ezekiel or John. Only a slaughter in both books. Scripture tells me they are two different invasions and two very different times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted November 30, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.48 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted November 30, 2017 30 minutes ago, missmuffet said: Scripture tells me they are two different invasions and two very different times. Ok.Revelations shows the time.It states that Gog shall,invade Israel 1000 years after The beast and false prophet are cast into a lake of fire "Armeggeddon". Since you say Ezekiel,says it is at a different time, what verse or verses in Ezekiel are you looking at that shows it at a different time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted November 30, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,990 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,688 Content Per Day: 11.83 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted November 30, 2017 42 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said: Ok.Revelations shows the time.It states that Gog shall,invade Israel 1000 years after The beast and false prophet are cast into a lake of fire "Armeggeddon". Since you say Ezekiel,says it is at a different time, what verse or verses in Ezekiel are you looking at that shows it at a different time? Question: "What are Gog and Magog?" Answer: Historically speaking, Magog was a grandson of Noah (Genesis 10:2). The descendants of Magog settled to the far north of Israel, likely in Europe and northern Asia (Ezekiel 38:2). Magog seems to be used to refer to "northern barbarians" in general, but likely also has a connection to Magog the person. The people of Magog are described as skilled warriors (Ezekiel 38:15; 39:3-9). Gog and Magog are referred to in Ezekiel 38-39 and in Revelation 20:7-8. While these two instances carry the same names, a close study of Scripture clearly demonstrates they do not refer to the same people and events. In Ezekiel’s prophecy, Gog will be the leader of a great army that attacks the land of Israel. Gog is described as “of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal” (Ezekiel 38:2-3). Ezekiel's battle of Gog and Magog occurs in the tribulation period, more specifically in the first 3 1/2 years. The strongest evidence for this view is that the attack will come when Israel is at peace (Ezekiel 38:8, 11). The description from Ezekiel is that of a nation that has security and has laid down its defenses. Israel is definitely not at peace now, and it is inconceivable that the nation would lay down its defenses apart from some major event. When Israel's covenant with the Beast/Antichrist is in effect at the beginning of Daniel's 70th Week (also known as the 7-year tribulation, Daniel 9:27a), Israel will be at peace. Possibly the battle will occur just before the midpoint of the seven-year period. According to Ezekiel, Gog will be defeated by God Himself on the mountains of Israel. The slaughter will be so great it will take seven months to bury all of the dead (Ezekiel 39:11-12). Gog and Magog are mentioned again in Revelation 20:7-8. The duplicated use of the names Gog and Magog in Revelation 20:8-9 is to show that these people demonstrate the same rebellion against God and antagonism toward God as those in Ezekiel 38-39. It is similar to someone today calling a person "the devil" because he or she is sinful and evil. We know that person is not really Satan, but because that person shares similar characteristics, he or she might be referred to as "the devil." The book of Revelation uses Ezekiel's prophecy about Magog to portray a final end-times attack on the nation of Israel (Revelation 20:8-9). The result of this battle is that all are destroyed, and Satan will find his final place in the lake of fire (Revelation 20:10). It is important to recognize that the Gog and Magog of Ezekiel 38-39 is quite different from the one in Revelation 20:7-8. Below are some of the more obvious reasons why these refer to different people and battles. 1. In the battle of Ezekiel 38-39, the armies come primarily from the north and involve only a few nations of the earth (Ezekiel 38:6, 15; 39:2). The battle in Revelation 20:7-9 will involve all nations, so armies will come from all directions, not just from the north. 2. There is no mention of Satan in the context of Ezekiel 38-39. In Revelation 20:7 the context clearly places the battle at the end of the millennium with Satan as the primary character. 3. Ezekiel 39:11-12 states that the dead will be buried for seven months. There would be no need to bury the dead if the battle in Ezekiel 38-39 is the one described in Revelation 20:8-9, for immediately following Revelation 20:8-9 is the Great White Throne judgment (20:11-15) and then the current or present heaven and earth are destroyed, replaced by a new heaven and earth (Revelation 21:1). There obviously will be a need to bury the dead if the battle takes place in the early part of the tribulation, for the land of Israel will be occupied for another 1,000 years, the length of the millennial kingdom (Revelation 20:4-6). 4. The battle in Ezekiel 38-39 is used by God to bring Israel back to Him (Ezekiel 39:21-29). In Revelation 20, Israel has been faithful to God for 1,000 years (the millennial kingdom). Those in Revelation 20:7-10 who are rebellious are destroyed without any more opportunity for repentance. https://www.gotquestions.org/Gog-Magog.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sister Posted November 30, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 17 Topic Count: 50 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,727 Content Per Day: 1.04 Reputation: 2,305 Days Won: 5 Joined: 06/29/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted November 30, 2017 9 hours ago, Rick_Parker said: What I take issue with is the statement that Israel will be inhabited by the Raptured Saints. Clearly false and not what the Bible teaches. Hi Rick Ok, but Israel will be inhabited by the raptured saints, they will rule with Christ, over the remnants of Israel, so both will be there with one heart for the Lord, all working together. And yes,...the remnants of Israel will be in the flesh, but their spirit and faith will be so strong that nothing can harm them nor even enter that camp of the saints where they dwell. The truth and the Lamb will be their shield. As for the timing of Gog and Magog, shilohsfoal nailed it. We normally disagree with most things between ourselves, but I give him credit when credit is due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psalms37:4 Posted November 30, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 20 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 569 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 75 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/30/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/28/2017 at 5:03 PM, Shilohsfoal said: http://biblehub.com/revelation/20-6.htm http://biblehub.com/revelation/20-7.htm http://biblehub.com/revelation/20-8.htm http://biblehub.com/revelation/20-9.htm Try using BibleGateway instead when posting several verses at once. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rev+20%3A6-9&version=KJV Revelation 20:6-9 King James Version (KJV) 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. 7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 10 hours ago, Sister said: Hi Rick Ok, but Israel will be inhabited by the raptured saints, they will rule with Christ, over the remnants of Israel, so both will be there with one heart for the Lord, all working together. And yes,...the remnants of Israel will be in the flesh, but their spirit and faith will be so strong that nothing can harm them nor even enter that camp of the saints where they dwell. The truth and the Lamb will be their shield. As for the timing of Gog and Magog, shilohsfoal nailed it. We normally disagree with most things between ourselves, but I give him credit when credit is due. Incorrect. The Raptured Saints will dwell in the New Jerusalem, Not in Israel. That is what the Bible tells us, not what some human being interprets It to say. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sister Posted November 30, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 17 Topic Count: 50 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,727 Content Per Day: 1.04 Reputation: 2,305 Days Won: 5 Joined: 06/29/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted November 30, 2017 1 hour ago, Rick_Parker said: Incorrect. The Raptured Saints will dwell in the New Jerusalem, Not in Israel. That is what the Bible tells us, not what some human being interprets It to say. Rick You are correct, New Jerusalem, or Holy Jerusalem it will be called and situated in Jerusalem, the City of Peace. All of Israel will be it's borders, and not only that, it's borders enlarged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel 11:36 Posted November 30, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,957 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 295 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted November 30, 2017 Revelation 20:1 .... 10 This is the millennial rule of the Lord for the next 1000 years .... and after will come the new heavens and earth that will last forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 1 hour ago, Sister said: Rick You are correct, New Jerusalem, or Holy Jerusalem it will be called and situated in Jerusalem, the City of Peace. All of Israel will be it's borders, and not only that, it's borders enlarged. Not what the Scripture says. According to the dimensions given, the New Jerusalem would be too large to sit upon the Earth and will float above the Earth, giving it it's Light from the Glory of the Lord. The New Jerusalem will provide light for Earth during the Millennium (Rev. 21:23-24). The Bible does not give us any detail about the eternity which will follow, so we’ll have to wait and see. I believe the redeemed and perfected Church will be able to travel between the New Jerusalem and Earth. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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