Scriptures that prove the Millennial Reign of Jesus Christ on Earth

[Quasar93]

8 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Quasar,

Actually this is your comment asking me questions which I think would be better discussed on its own thread, don`t you?

How are the angels described in the Bible, who come to the earth with messages and responsibilities to fulfill for God?  Review Gen.18-19. Tell me, how do you describe those OT sons of god, that many other esteemed expositors describe as angels.

regards, Marilyn.

 

 

 

Which you responded to, sis, or you would not have had any response from me about it.

 

Quasar03

 

[Quasar93]

9 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Quasar,

Actually this is your comment asking me questions which I think would be better discussed on its own thread, don`t you?

How are the angels described in the Bible, who come to the earth with messages and responsibilities to fulfill for God?  Review Gen.18-19. Tell me, how do you describe those OT sons of god, that many other esteemed expositors describe as angels.

regards, Marilyn.

 

 

 

 

Hi Marilyn,

The following is in response to your above question:

What and Who are the OT son's of God, the Nephilim, Demons and What is their Origin ?

 First of all, demons are not fallen angels, which the general consensus of many expositors and theologians, believe the sons of God were, in Gen.6:2 and 4. For the purpose of this thread, we will approach this review with the sons of god as the fallen angels.
 
In the second place, where did the sons of God, come from ? They came from heaven, as is found in Job 1:6, 2:1 and 38:7. Which clearly reveals the theory of some, that the sons of God were from Adam and Eve's son, Seth's family, who of course never came from heaven. But the Scriptures document, the sons of God came from heaven. If they had been called angels in the first place we could better understand the text..   
 
With that having been determined, the sons of God, are spirit beings, including God Himself, who have souls,  according to Isa.1:14, as all of us humans do, as well. Therefore, the "citizenship," or "first estate" of the sons of God/fallen angels, was in heaven. While the natural "citizenship" or "first estate" of human daughters of men, is on the earth.
Therefore, from the above, we have established from the Bible, the sons of God were spirit beings and a part of the heavenly host. From there, we go to the following revelation:
 
"When men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose." Gen.6:1-2. Keep in mind, Jesus inferred angels do not marry nor are given in marriag - in heaven - according to Mt.22:30.

In other words, these sons of God left their first estate and citizenship in heaven, and went to the earth, with the power to become visible and appear as any physical normal man and married a daughter of human men.  The offspring they had with human women, resulting in their children being the Nephilim/giants, born to them as recorded in Gen.6:4.
 
Take note of this important fact: The Nephilim were hybrid regarding the origin of their first estate or "citizenship," because they did not come as a citizen from heaven, nor as a natural human being, which is what this thread is all about.

Up to this point, we have found that the sons of God/fallen angels, who came down to the earth from heaven, and had children by human women, who then lost their first estate in heaven.  God then imprisoned them until the day of judgement, according to 1 Pet.2:4 and Jude 6.
 
The fallen angels here, were only part of those belonging to Satan, who is still very active with the rest of his angels.  Reference to Satan and his angels being cast from heaven, is prophecy, as recorded in Rev.12:9, yet to come, during the 70th and final week [7 years] of God's decree upon the destiny of Israel. Also recorded as Jesus Olivet Discourse of the 7 year tribulation, in Mt.24; Mk.13 and in Lk.21.  Prophecy yet to be fulfilled.
 
That leaves us with the hybrid Nephilim, described in the Scriptures as giants both before the flood of Noah in Gen.6:4 - and after the flood in Num.13:33; Dt.1:28; 3:11; 9:2; Josh.11:22; 12:2, 4; 1 Sam17:4-7 and 1 Chr.20:6-8.
 
How could the Nephilim, the giants who lived before the flood of Noah be present on the earth after the flood, as recorded in Gen.6:4, when the flood killed everyone on the earth except Noah and his seven family members?  The only logical answers to that is that all the sons of God/fallen angels were not all caught and thrown into the Abyss/prison until after the flood of Noah.  That more of Satan's sons of God/angels sought after the daughters of men/human women, after the flood of Noah.
 
Remember, the hybrid Nephilim had no previous estate, "citizenship," with either the heavenly host or to humanity. Therefore, their spirit/souls were relegated to remain earthbound until the day of judgement, seeking to get into whatever body they could find to do so, regardless of whether human or animal, as recorded in Lk.8:26-33. That is what/who the demons were/are.
 
The Book of Isaiah says that the Nephilim and their descendants will not participate in a resurrection, as will all normal human beings. Isaiah 26:14 reads: "They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise." The original Hebrew word translated "deceased" here is the word "Rephaim," the name of a giant people, recorded in Jos.12:4 and in 13:12. It would have saved a lot of misinterpretation if the translators had left the word as it was in the original. The verse actually reads: "Dead, they shall not live; Rephaim, they shall not rise." The Rephaim were one of the clan of the Nephilim, and God's Word makes it clear that they will not participate in any resurrection. But with humans it is different: who will all be resurrected either to life or to damnation (John 5:28-29). Which leads us to examine the bodily death of the Nephilim, and the "binding to earth" of their spirits, seeking the bodies of others to invade, as the demons found recorded in the Scriptures, which will be covered later.

From Book 1 of Enoch, is the following except from Chapter 15, he writes of the Nephilim/giants, beginning with point 6.: "But you from the beginning were made spiritual, possessing a life which is eternal, and not subject to death for ever!"

7. "Therefore I made no wives for you, because you being spiritual, your dwelling is in heaven."

8. "Now the giants who have been born of spirit and flesh, shall be called upon the earth evil spirit/demons, and on the earth shall be their habitation. Evil spirits shall proceed from their flesh, because they were created from above; from the holy watchers/sons of God was their beginning and primary foundation. Evil spirits/demons shall they be upon the earth, and the spirits/demons of the wicked shall they be called. The habitation of the spirits of heaven shall be in heaven; but upon earth shall be the habitation of terrestrial spirits, who are born on earth."

9. "The spirits of the Nephilim/giants shall be like clouds, which shall oppress, corrupt, fall, contend, and bruise upon the earth."

10. "They shall cause lamentation. No food shall they eat; and they shall be thirsty; they shall be concealed, and shall not rise up against the sons of men, and against women; for they came forth during the days of slaughter and destruction."
 
Accordingly, the bodies of the Nephilim died, but their spirit/souls remain on earth as the evil spirit/demons present during the days of Jesus, as seen in 8:28-32. Without bodies, they try to find bodies to get into.
 
 How big does the Bible describe these Nephilim/giants to be after their spirit/souls found bodies to live in after the flood of Noah ?
 
"Only Og king of Bashan was left of the remnant of the Rephaites. His bed was made of iron and was more than thirteen feet long and six feet wide. It is still in Rabbah of the Ammonites." Dt.3:11
 
"A champion named Goliath, who was from Gath, came out of the Philistine camp, he was over nine feet tall. He had a bronze helmet on his head and wore a coat of scale armor of bronze weighing 5,000 shekels [over 156 pounds]; on his legs he wore bronze greaves, and a bronze javelin was slung on his back. His spear shaft was like a weaver's rod, and its iron point weighed six hundred shekels [18.75 pounds]. His shield bearer went ahead of him." 1 Sam.17:4-7

See also: http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/giants.htm

And: http://www.bibleprobe.com/nephilim.htm


Quasar93

Edited December 7, 2017 by Quasar93

[LightShinesInTheDarkness]

Proof that the thousand years come before the Tribulation:
 
12The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up, to prepare the way for the kings from the east. 13And I saw, coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs. 14For they are demonic spirits, performing signs, who go abroad to the kings of the whole world, to assemble them for battle on the great day of God the Almighty. (Revelation 16:12-14)
 
This is the same event described in Revelation 20:7,8:  7And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison 8and will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea.
 
The battle of Armegeddon takes place on the day Jesus returns:   19And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth with their armies gathered to make war against him who was sitting on the horse and against his army. 20And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur. (Rev 19:19,20)
 
So when is Jesus going to defeat the antichrist in the battle of Armegeddon? On the day of His coming. (See 2 Thessalonians 2:8.) He's not going to defeat the antichrist twice. So Revelation 19 and 2 Thessalonians 2 refer to the same event on the same day in different wording.
 
And when will Satan be released to deceive the nations and prepare them for the battle of Armegeddon? When the thousand years are ended. 
Revelation 16:12-16, 19:11-21, and 20:7-10 all refer to the same battle. The beast and the false prophet are captured and destroyed first, then Satan. We know this takes place on the same day because the antichrist is defeated at the coming of Christ, and we know the other events of the last day that will take place when Christ returns, with His angels.
 
There's not going to be a thousand year reign of saints on this earth, either before or after the Tribulation. If it occurs before, it would require Christ and the saints to return to earth to reign for a thousand years, then go back up to heaven for the duration of the Tribulation when Satan is released, then return a second time for the resurrection of the dead and the rapture of the living saints on the last day. That's nonsense, according to the Scriptures.
 
Nor can the thousand years take place after the Tribulation, because the Tribulation won't begin until Satan is released from the bottomless pit, which is after the thousand year reign of the saints. Then he must be released for "a short time" (Revelation 20:3). That "short time", also mentioned in Revelation 12:12, is the Tribulation---originally seven years, shortened to approximately three and a half years by God for the sake of the elect (the saints). 
 
At the end of the Tribulation, Jesus returns (Matthew 24:29-31), defeats the antichrist and Satan, the dead are raised, the world is destroyed, the judgment takes place, the new heaven and earth are created, and the saints possess the kingdom forever. Not for a thousand years.
 
People who are trying to fit a thousand year earthly reign of the saints into the chronology of the Revelation and other end-time scriptures have to contort and misinterpret them to do so. But as you can see from what I provided above, it's impossible to do. It doesn't fit before, during, or after the Tribulation, as an earthly reign. Logic, and comparing the scriptures that speak of the same events, with the help of the Holy Spirit, debunks the erroneous teaching of an earthly thousand year reign of the saints with Christ.
 
The thousand year reign can only take place in heaven. And it has been taking place there for nearly a thousand years. Satan is about to be released from his prison, and after making war with his demons against the holy angels in heaven, he will be cast down to earth and enter the person of the antichrist, and begin to persecute Christians; and the Tribulation will begin. 

12Therefore, rejoice, O heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to you, O earth and sea, for the devil has come down to you in great wrath, because he knows that his time is short!”

13And when the dragon saw that he had been thrown down to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. 14But the woman was given the two wings of the great eagle so that she might fly from the serpent into the wilderness, to the place where she is to be nourished for a time, and times, and half a time... 17Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus. (Revelation 12:13,14,17)  

As for the first and second resurrections mentioned in Revelation chapter 20:
 
4Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years. (Revelation 20:4-6)
 
these scriptures can be correctly understood by comparing them with other scriptures that clarify the timing and meaning of what is described in them. "They came to life" (verse 4) refers to spiritual rebirth, not being bodily resurrected. We know this because we know the timing of the bodily resurrection of the dead, of which there is only one---of both the righteous and the unrighteous---on the last day of the Tribulation, when Jesus returns; and because verse 5 and 6 explain that "they came to life" refers to the "first resurrection", which is the resurrection that saves from the lake of fire---being born again. 
 
There are not two physical resurrections; so what verse 5 is speaking about ("the rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended") is the last day when the dead are bodily raised. The saints who are reigning with Christ in heaven are saints who have died, obviously. But they have eternal life. And that is what taking part in the "first resurrection" means---that that they were raised to life in Christ.
 
 25Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life.d Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, 26and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. (John 11:25,26)
 
"The rest" of those who have physically died (both righteous and unrighteous), (Rev 20:5), will be bodily resurrected on the last day when Jesus returns, at the one resurrection of the dead.
 
Here is an explanation of the two resurrections Revelation 20 mentions:
 
25“Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. (This is the spiritual resurrection; being born again.) 26For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself. 27And he has given him authority to execute judgment, because he is the Son of Man. 28Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice 29and come out,  those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment." (This is the physical resurrection of the dead on the day Jesus returns.) (John 5:25-29)

The saints in heaven haven't taken the mark of the beast or worshiped his image (Rev 20:4), because those things haven't happened yet. (See Revelation 3:10 for example). Some of these saints were martyred by beheading. They conquered Satan, the dragon---not the antichrist---by the blood of the Lamb and the word of their testimony, for they loved not their lives even unto death (Rev 12:11). 
 
We (Christians who will be going through the Tribulation) are given these saints for an example to follow, that we should conquer the dragon, Satan (who will be indwelling the person of the antichrist), by laying our own lives down for Jesus, if necessary, as these saints in heaven have done. (See also Revelation 6:9-11).

 

[1to3]

6 hours ago, LightShinesInTheDarkness said:

and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Blessing s to you LightShinesinTheDarkness ;

I never gave to much attention to  the pre  trib or not as it was never put to my attention like it is on this site.

I kind of was was led to believe that all those truly living their lives in Christ would be caught up before the tribulation begings after the first 3 1/2 years.

So right now I am a bit confused.

For instance from what i quoted, if the tribulation with the mark of the beast has not yet occurred how can those "who did not receive the mark on their forehead or in their hands, they came to life and reined with Christ for a thousand years."  ?

I thought that those who did not receive the mark of the beast where the ones who resisted the antichrists and his rule to have us all marked? (this has not happened yet)

would not these saints be people who resisted when the Antichrist will begin to enforce his new rules of being marked on the hand or forehead?

 

[WilliamL]

51 minutes ago, 1to3 said:

So right now I am a bit confused.

For instance from what i quoted, if the tribulation with the mark of the beast has not yet occurred how can those "who did not receive the mark on their forehead or in their hands, they came to life and reined with Christ for a thousand years."  ?

I thought that those who did not receive the mark of the beast where the ones who resisted the antichrists and his rule to have us all marked? (this has not happened yet)

would not these saints be people who resisted when the Antichrist will begin to enforce his new rules of being marked on the hand or forehead?

The Tribulation comes before the mark of the beast. The Tribulation effects the whole earth, including the Church.

Christ comes to resurrect the dead and raise/rapture all those Christian saints "who are ready" (Matt. 25:10), "immediately after the Tribulation ." Matt. 24:29

At that point, many people, especially Jews and others of Israel, will be converted but not raised. Zech 12:9; Rev. 1:7; Rev. 7's 144,000 of Israel

Those new believers will become the earthly saints during the times of God's Wrath (Rev. 6:16-17), during which the Beast will ascend from the Abyss and persecute them, some unto death. These are the Rev. 20 saints who will be raised from the dead at the beginning of the Millennium; they are also the saints of Daniel 7.

My blog, especially the earliest posts, explain the order of events in detail. My siggy below shows the order in summary.

[LightShinesInTheDarkness]

2 hours ago, 1to3 said:

Blessing s to you LightShinesinTheDarkness ;

I never gave to much attention to  the pre  trib or not as it was never put to my attention like it is on this site.

I kind of was was led to believe that all those truly living their lives in Christ would be caught up before the tribulation begings after the first 3 1/2 years.

So right now I am a bit confused.

For instance from what i quoted, if the tribulation with the mark of the beast has not yet occurred how can those "who did not receive the mark on their forehead or in their hands, they came to life and reined with Christ for a thousand years."  ?

I thought that those who did not receive the mark of the beast where the ones who resisted the antichrists and his rule to have us all marked? (this has not happened yet)

would not these saints be people who resisted when the Antichrist will begin to enforce his new rules of being marked on the hand or forehead?

 

 

I sympathize with your confusion about this, and the 20th chapter of Revelation is a confusing one (as is the book of Revelation itself). You'll probably see, in the replies on this thread, and elsewhere in this forum, lots of conflicting interpretations. Only one of them is correct, of course; but this is something I cannot show you, but only the Lord. I think I explained the enigma of the thousand years the best that I can in my original post.

 

But one bit of helpful advice, with regard to understanding the Revelation and other scriptures concerning the Tribulation and the return of the Lord: Compare scripture with scripture. If you think that one scripture is speaking about a certain thing, check the other scriptures that talk about the same subject or event. What may not be clear in one place may be clarified by what is written in another. For example, read through the gospels, epistles, and the Revelation, and study what each of these say about the day of Christ's return: What happens on that day, and when that day will come. Then compare the scriptures to arrive at an accurate understanding of the chronology and of what applies to whom.

 

God given understanding is essential for this, of course, and asking Him to show you the truth.

 

May He give you all the help and understanding that you need.

 

In Christ Jesus,

LSITD

Edited January 24, 2018 by LightShinesInTheDarkness