WilliamL Posted December 5, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 5,103 Content Per Day: 1.48 Reputation: 2,546 Days Won: 4 Joined: 11/06/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/01/1950 Share Posted December 5, 2017 1 minute ago, Diaste said: Arabs are ready to talk about the Temple standing once again. Your source please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diaste Posted December 5, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 67 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,624 Content Per Day: 2.00 Reputation: 2,366 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/17/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted December 5, 2017 21 minutes ago, WilliamL said: Your source please? Dang. I knew someone was going to ask that. I'll find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Daze Posted December 5, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,011 Content Per Day: 1.13 Reputation: 2,519 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted December 5, 2017 30 minutes ago, Diaste said: This type of debate can go round and round. Over the years I have tried everything I know to combat the misleading doctrine of pretrib: Biblical facts, biblical examples, rational debate, logic. Nothing makes any difference to some. People are going to believe what they wish. It can't be stopped. It's the virtue and vice of mankind. Lastdaze said it well, "Reality will prove it in way words just can't." That reality is coming. The beast is here and will soon be empowered. I hearken back to the words of Jesus I heard many years ago, "So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors." I don't yet know if we are seeing these things of which He spoke. But Israel is back in the land. The Jews have prepared to build the Temple and are ready as of today to begin construction. Arabs are ready to talk about the Temple standing once again. The US just missed the deadline to move the Embassy to Jerusalem. The opening of the first seal and the unleashing of the beast is next. There will be no rapture before this. I agree and completely understand. Sometimes though, I feel compelled to offer a scriptural explanation for those whose minds aren't already made up and closed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diaste Posted December 5, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 67 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,624 Content Per Day: 2.00 Reputation: 2,366 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/17/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted December 5, 2017 Mughrabi stated: “The Children of Israel will be forced – they will not concede – they will be forced to change their plans to build the Temple inside the structure of the Al-Aqsa Mosque and will have to build it outside the Al-Aqsa Mosque. “A Temple of heresy to worship the Devil. Why? Because the Anti-Christ won’t appear unless this Temple is built and the Devil is worshiped there. Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2015/10/top-cleric-jews-to-build-new-temple-for-devil-worship/#LcrzblpQMYGOqxFs.99 Maybe this guy is a nut job but his statements align well with what scripture teaches. And I didn't say the Arabs were necessarily happy about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diaste Posted December 5, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 67 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,624 Content Per Day: 2.00 Reputation: 2,366 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/17/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted December 5, 2017 8 minutes ago, Last Daze said: I agree and completely understand. Sometimes though, I feel compelled to offer a scriptural explanation for those whose minds aren't already made up and closed. And I hope we both continue to do just that. Blessings 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted December 5, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 26 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,604 Content Per Day: 3.98 Reputation: 7,795 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted December 5, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Last Daze said: I agree and completely understand. Sometimes though, I feel compelled to offer a scriptural explanation for those whose minds aren't already made up and closed. I read your booklet and agree. It really bothers me that this wrong doctrine might be the cause of so many loosing faith or not sure where to turn when it all unravels. For the sake of those needing the truth, I feel I must keep telling it like it is and will be. All that is necessary for evil to abound is for good men to do nothing. I am not good, far from it, but even the thief on the cross next to Yeshua was saved. If just a few will read their scriptures without the leaven of the modern pharisees, then there is hope. Then they will be at least prepared and not taken unawares. Edited December 5, 2017 by Justin Adams 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamL Posted December 5, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 5,103 Content Per Day: 1.48 Reputation: 2,546 Days Won: 4 Joined: 11/06/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/01/1950 Share Posted December 5, 2017 47 minutes ago, Diaste said: ... Arabs are ready to talk about the Temple standing once again. ... 7 minutes ago, Diaste said: Mughrabi stated: “The Children of Israel will be forced – they will not concede – they will be forced to change their plans to build the Temple inside the structure of the Al-Aqsa Mosque and will have to build it outside the Al-Aqsa Mosque. ... Maybe this guy is a nut job but his statements align well with what scripture teaches. And I didn't say the Arabs were necessarily happy about it. One Palestinian Arab making an oblique reference. Not exactly a tidal wave of Arab support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diaste Posted December 5, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 67 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,624 Content Per Day: 2.00 Reputation: 2,366 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/17/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted December 5, 2017 1 minute ago, WilliamL said: One Palestinian Arab making an oblique reference. Not exactly a tidal wave of Arab support. Not the point. The Temple will stand in the midst of a great deal of trouble. Only the empowered beast rising before the middle of the week will get the job done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ForHisGlory37 Posted December 6, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 38 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 641 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 722 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/02/2017 Status: Offline Popular Post Share Posted December 6, 2017 7 hours ago, Diaste said: This type of debate can go round and round. Over the years I have tried everything I know to combat the misleading doctrine of pretrib: Biblical facts, biblical examples, rational debate, logic. Nothing makes any difference to some. People are going to believe what they wish. It can't be stopped. It's the virtue and vice of mankind. Lastdaze said it well, "Reality will prove it in way words just can't." That reality is coming. The beast is here and will soon be empowered. I hearken back to the words of Jesus I heard many years ago, "So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors." I don't yet know if we are seeing these things of which He spoke. But Israel is back in the land. The Jews have prepared to build the Temple and are ready as of today to begin construction. Arabs are ready to talk about the Temple standing once again. The US just missed the deadline to move the Embassy to Jerusalem. The opening of the first seal and the unleashing of the beast is next. There will be no rapture before this. Very well said. I once thought and believed in the Pre-Trib rapture also until I really began to read the scriptures myself and asking the Holy Spirit to show me and researched that theology. I don't know if anyone brought this up but this Pre-Trib rapture theology was started in 1830 by a man named John Nelson Darby. The theory was expounded by the Scofield Reference Bible. Before Darby, ALL THE CHURCH BELIEVED IN THE POST-TRIB RAPTURE. I believe Satan is behind this. He is always looking to divide the church. This theology is a LIE. I know it's not a matter of salvation but it is a matter of TRUTH. Why would God give us the Book of Revelation if we didn't need it and would be gone? He said anyone who reads it will be blessed. If we are raptured away, who will share the Gospel of Jesus? People will have questions, who will lead them to repentance? All the other Christians around the world are suffering and going through horrible tribulation for their faith and the Pre-Trib rapture believers think we should not have to suffer that kind of tribulation? The first three chapters of Revelation keep saying over and over "he that endures to the end." We are told in Revelation 2:10...be thou faithful unto death ....-" Revelation 3:2-3 Be watchful and strengthen the things which remain, that are READY TO DIE for I have not found thy works perfect before God. Remember therefore how thou hast received and herd, and hold fast, and REPENT: IF THEREFORE THOU SHALT NOT WATCH, I WILL COME ON THEE AS A THIEF, AND THOU SHALT NOT KNOW WHAT HOUR I WILL COME UPON THEE. Paul wrote in 2 Thessalonians 1:4-5 So that we ourselves glory in you in the CHURCHES OF GOD for your patience and faith in ALL YOUR PERSECUTIONS AND TRIBULATIONS THAT YE ENDURE: WHICH IS A MANIFEST TOKEN OF THE RIGHTEOUS JUDGMENT OF GOD; THAT YE MAY BE COUNTED WORTHY OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD, FOR WHICH YE ALSO SUFFER. This is TRUTH. 2 Thessalonians 2:9 EVEN HIM, WHOSE COMING IS AFTER THE WORKING OF SATAN WITH ALL POWER AND SIGNS AND LYING WONDERS. The pre-trib rapture is a lie. Many will fall away thinking they should have been taken away to heaven before the tribulation and the horrors coming (which by the way, believers need not fear because Jesus overcame the world and we shall too in Him, and we will walk in POWER) tHEY WILL START TO QUESTION GOD, THE BIBLE, THEIR FAITH. If you are prepared for the worst to come, you will have that mindset that you will have to endure. Matthew 25, the parable of the 10 virgins is a good illustration I believe for the end times. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel 11:36 Posted December 6, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,957 Content Per Day: 0.56 Reputation: 295 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted December 6, 2017 "this Pre-Trib rapture theology was started in 1830 by a man named John Nelson Darby" Not true .... the Lord's pre-tribulation action to remove His own just before the coming tribulation period is a particular objective Here are just three scriptures that comply [1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; Revelation 3:10; 7:9-17] .... there are others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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