docc4u Posted December 2, 2017 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 9 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/01/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted December 2, 2017 Various groups/denominations/churches have differed on this issue: RCC states Christ build His church on Peter (Petros, Greek masculine gender); others state Christ is the 'petra' (feminine gender) and others state this petra is the confession of faith that Peter made by revelation from the Father in heaven. The early church fathers (pre-Nicene) commentaries on Matthew 16 all stated Peter was not the 'petra.' Whole theology & religious systems have been based upon this one verse. So it seems it is important to understand it, from the context & from other corroborating Scripture (the testimony & revelation of all of Scripture, that is inspired, God-breathed). From the context all three interpretational doctrines are 'possible' as Peter, Christ and Peter's confession are all included in the context. But I believe Christ had one thing in mind & Matthew the writer of that Holy Scripture had one intent in mind, although much application can be made from it. I will post more in detail later but I am still not sure how to post in other forums, as I don't see: any post command in them; only one here in the first forum and it states: 'Create a New Topic.' I am new so will need to learn how. Also I am trying to get three posts in so that may be the reason I am not seeing it. This is post 2. 1 Cor 10:4 They drank of THAT SPIRITUAL Rock that followed them & THAT ROCK [petra, in the Greek] was Christ. Here Christ is referred to as 'THAT PETRA.' Here in Matt 16:18 however, Jesus does not say, upon THAT ROCK (referring to OT Scripture fulfilled as Peter Himself said (I Pet 2:6), quoting from Isaiah 28:16 but THIS PETRA. There is a difference then in what Jesus is saying and the 'prior' context in Matt 16, not often mentioned, I think is the key to what 'this' petra is. More on this later, Lord willing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willa Posted December 2, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 68 Topic Count: 186 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 14,228 Content Per Day: 3.33 Reputation: 16,648 Days Won: 30 Joined: 08/14/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted December 2, 2017 I am asking for this to be moved to one of the questions and answer forums 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FresnoJoe Posted December 2, 2017 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 207 Topic Count: 60 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,651 Content Per Day: 1.17 Reputation: 5,761 Days Won: 4 Joined: 01/31/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/04/1943 Popular Post Share Posted December 2, 2017 4 hours ago, docc4u said: Various groups/denominations/churches have differed on this issue: RCC states Christ build His church on Peter (Petros, Greek masculine gender); others state Christ is the 'petra' (feminine gender) and others state this petra is the confession of faith that Peter made by revelation from the Father in heaven. The early church fathers (pre-Nicene) commentaries on Matthew 16 all stated Peter was not the 'petra.' Whole theology & religious systems have been based upon this one verse. So it seems it is important to understand it, from the context & from other corroborating Scripture (the testimony & revelation of all of Scripture, that is inspired, God-breathed). From the context all three interpretational doctrines are 'possible' as Peter, Christ and Peter's confession are all included in the context. But I believe Christ had one thing in mind & Matthew the writer of that Holy Scripture had one intent in mind, although much application can be made from it. I will post more in detail later but I am still not sure how to post in other forums, as I don't see: any post command in them; only one here in the first forum and it states: 'Create a New Topic.' I am new so will need to learn how. Also I am trying to get three posts in so that may be the reason I am not seeing it. This is post 2. 1 Corinthians 10:4 They drank of THAT SPIRITUAL Rock that followed them & THAT ROCK [petra, in the Greek] was Christ. Here Christ is referred to as 'THAT PETRA.' Here in Matt 16:18 however, Jesus does not say, upon THAT ROCK (referring to OT Scripture fulfilled as Peter Himself said (I Pet 2:6), quoting from Isaiah 28:16 but THIS PETRA. There is a difference then in what Jesus is saying and the 'prior' context in Matt 16, not often mentioned, I think is the key to what 'this' petra is. More on this later, Lord willing. Sometimes I Ponder Therefore thus says the Lord GOD, "Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone, a tested stone, A costly cornerstone for the foundation, firmly placed. He who believes in it will not be disturbed. Isaiah 28:16 (New American Standard Bible) Just Who Really Believes Saint Peter Wherefore it is said in the scripture: Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious. And he that shall believe in him, shall not be confounded. 1 Peter 2:6 (Douay-Rheims Bible) ~ Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING The LORD bless thee, and keep thee: The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee: The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace. And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27 (King James Bible) Love, Your Brother Joe ~ Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever. Psalms 119:160 (King James Bible) The Bible contains the mind of God, the state of man, the way of salvation, the doom of sinners, and the happiness of believers. Its doctrines are holy, its precepts are binding, its histories are true, and its decisions are immutable. Read it to be wise, believe it to be safe, and practice it to be holy. It contains light to direct you, food to support you, and comfort to cheer you. It is the traveler’s map, the pilgrim’s staff, the pilot’s compass, the soldier’s sword and the Christian’s charter. Here too, Heaven is opened and the gates of Hell disclosed. Christ is its grand subject, our good its design, and the glory of God its end. It should fill the memory, rule the heart and guide the feet. Read it slowly, frequently and prayerfully. It is a mine of wealth, a paradise of glory, and a river of pleasure. It is given you in life, will be opened at the judgment, and be remembered forever. It involves the highest responsibility, rewards the greatest labor, and will condemn all who trifle with its sacred contents. From The Inside Of My Gideon New Testament 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted December 3, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 596 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,061 Content Per Day: 7.55 Reputation: 27,803 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted December 3, 2017 Mount Hermon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willa Posted December 4, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 68 Topic Count: 186 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 14,228 Content Per Day: 3.33 Reputation: 16,648 Days Won: 30 Joined: 08/14/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted December 4, 2017 Petra was a huge rock, and petros was like a chip off the old block, or a pebble in comparison. So Jesus was not building His church on a pebble like Peter. But Christ is called the Rock in many places in the old and new testaments. He is the Rock of our salvation. My fortress and my Rock. The Stone that the builders rejected. So my opinion is that the Rock is the Son of God. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted December 4, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,688 Content Per Day: 11.82 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted December 4, 2017 There is much debate on Matthew 16:16. There is no way to be 100% correct. This is just icing on the cake. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn C Posted December 5, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 266 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 13,194 Content Per Day: 3.50 Reputation: 8,493 Days Won: 12 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1947 Share Posted December 5, 2017 On 3/12/2017 at 5:44 AM, docc4u said: Hi docc4u, This verse explains it well - `For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is JEUS CHRIST.` (1 Cor. 3: 11) regards, Marilyn. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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