Some encouraging Scriptures about the rapture

[Diaste]

14 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

It means you have no idea who will or who will not be alive at any point in time.

To say we will be alive as those in Christ at or near the second Coming is not forth coming.

Because the Bride is One, they all will go through similar trials. Even martydom for some. Yet none who have died in the past have been under the direct assult of the A/C and Satan.

In your narrative show where the Bride is one.

In Christ

Montana Marv

The idea is that whoever is alive will not be taken before the beginning of the last week but translated off the earth alive at His coming.

"By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord." - 1 Thess 4

[Montana Marv]

4 hours ago, Diaste said:

The idea is that whoever is alive will not be taken before the beginning of the last week but translated off the earth alive at His coming.

"By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord." - 1 Thess 4

So you have Jesus and His two Brides. One which must partake in the final week to become worthy and those which never will partake in the final week and are already considered worthy.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Diaste]

32 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

So you have Jesus and His two Brides. One which must partake in the final week to become worthy and those which never will partake in the final week and are already considered worthy.

In Christ

Montana Marv

No. One bride, all together till Jesus returns, all taken together at Jesus return. 

As far as worthy goes...

We are worthy to partake of the sufferings of Christ. 

We are worthy because of Jesus and endure suffering for His name; any suffering does not make us worthy, we have been deemed worthy already and can endure any amount of suffering right up to death.

 

 

[Montana Marv]

58 minutes ago, Diaste said:

No. One bride, all together till Jesus returns, all taken together at Jesus return. 

As far as worthy goes...

We are worthy to partake of the sufferings of Christ. 

We are worthy because of Jesus and endure suffering for His name; any suffering does not make us worthy, we have been deemed worthy already and can endure any amount of suffering right up to death.

 

 

So the Bride does not need to go through the final week then.  The final week is for Israel, not the Bride.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Diaste]

1 hour ago, Montana Marv said:

So the Bride does not need to go through the final week then.  The final week is for Israel, not the Bride.

In Christ

Montana Marv

Well, Israel is the bride. If we are not the seed of Abraham we are not in Christ. No such thing as a separate church in Christ and a Jew in Christ. All who are alive at the time will experience the end of the age. There is no early train.

But dont worry. Jesus is watching over us. If the greatest army ever is set against us we will prevail in the power and Love of our Lord Jesus Christ. Meaning our body may die, yet we will live forever in Christ.

Who cares about the body? The natural cannot inherit the kingdom, only the spirit inherits eternal glory and power in the promises of God and the majesty of Christ. 

 

[Montana Marv]

14 minutes ago, Diaste said:

Well, Israel is the bride. If we are not the seed of Abraham we are not in Christ. No such thing as a separate church in Christ and a Jew in Christ. All who are alive at the time will experience the end of the age. There is no early train.

But dont worry. Jesus is watching over us. If the greatest army ever is set against us we will prevail in the power and Love of our Lord Jesus Christ. Meaning our body may die, yet we will live forever in Christ.

Who cares about the body? The natural cannot inherit the kingdom, only the spirit inherits eternal glory and power in the promises of God and the majesty of Christ. 

 

The 144,000 are not the Bride. Those 1/3 of Israel refined during the final week are not the Bride. Those who come out of the final week alive are not the Bride both Jew and gentile.

According to Hosea, Israel is the unfaithful bride of God.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Diaste]

14 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

The 144,000 are not the Bride. Those 1/3 of Israel refined during the final week are not the Bride. Those who come out of the final week alive are not the Bride both Jew and gentile.

According to Hosea, Israel is the unfaithful bride of God.

In Christ

Montana Marv

You will see. No early exit. Prepare for that reality. 

Many of us will be here to help when that day comes. 

[Diaste]

2 minutes ago, Abdicate said:

That's what many said about Israel never existing again... until it happened in 1948 right after the end of the 2nd day from Hosea. Stick to the word of God not traditions/wants/wishes/fake theology.

Except the word of God explicitly states Israel would exist at the end of days. 

The word of God does not explicitly state a pretrib rapture. It's not implied. There is no hint of such a thing. In fact the normal understanding of scripture refutes the idea in toto.

Pretrib is the fantasy doctrine. Religous narcotic, as it were.

[Diaste]

7 minutes ago, Abdicate said:

It does, but people like you don't want to see it.

People like me? To what are you referring?

7 minutes ago, Abdicate said:

 

1 Thessalonians 4:16-18
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

I'm not denying the fact of a gathering. Its obvious there will be a gathering. 

Pretrib cannot prove a pretrib timing with the use of scripture. Timing of a pretrib rapture is always based on rhetoric and internal logic which rises from false premise, not scriptural truth.

[Diaste]

1 minute ago, Abdicate said:

Sorry, but I did. You didn't read it because it was too long. It's right there in the scriptures, the whole timing.

You mean 1 Thess 4?

This only shows the events which occur in conjunction with the gathering, not the timing of those events in relation to the beginning, middle, end or any other portion of the last week. 1 Thess 4 only shows the fact of the gathering and the fact of the events that occur along side.