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According to the Bible, Jesus, Paul and John revealed, those of us who belong to His Church, will be CAUGHT UP [Raptured] to Him in the clouds of the sky, before the antichrist is revealed, as recorded in 2 Thes.2:3 and 7-8.  Who triggers the seven year tribulation/70th Week of Daniel, God decreed Israel to go through in Dan.9:27.

[The exemption/rapture of the Church from the tribulation = Jn.14:1-4 and 28; 1 Thes.4:14-18 and 2 Thes.2:1-8].  God's decree upon Israel to go through the tribulation = Jer.30:7 and Dan.9:27, where the person who 'confirms a covenant/treaty/agreement with Israel is the antichrist, and all three of the "he's" in Dan.9:27.  Who triggers the 70th and final 'Week,'/seven year tribulation/Day of the Lord].

Jesus said He has two sheep folds, Israel whom He was addressing, and the "other one He must also bring," the Church, according to Jn.10:16. He prophecied that they will become one fold with one Shepherd. He also said many who are first will be last [Israel] and many who are last will be first [The Church] in Mt.19:30. This will be fullfilled after the first resurrection af all the tribulation saints, in Rev.20:4-6, and then rule with Christ for 1,000 years, in Rev.20:4 and 6.

He meant His Church will be CAUGHT UP to be with Him before the tribulation begins, according to 1 Thes.4:16-17 and 2 Thes.2:1-8] and that Israel will go through the tribulation [Dan.9:27]. When Israel finally recognizes Jesus as their Messiah, according to Zech.12:10 , they will then come into the same sheep fold with the Church and the two will become one fold, with Jesus being the one Shepherd, when He establishes His Millennial kingdom here on earth according to Rev.20:6.

When the Church is Caught Up to be with the Lord in heaven, the antichrist is revealed and the tribulation begins, according to 2 Thes.2:3-4, 7-8; Dan.9:27 and Rev.6:2].

The overview of the tribulation, begins with the first of the four riders, on the white horse, who is the antichrist, in the first of seven seals; after the six seals, before the seventh seal that contains the seven trumpet judgments begins in Rev.8, God will send 144,000 consisting of 12,000 Israelites from each of twelve of their tribes, that He "redeems from the earth" according to Rev.14:3. Sealing them, and they become converted believers in Jesus Christ who will take the place of the Raptured Church, to preach the Eternal Gospel in their absence, to all those left on the earth, according to Rev.7:1-8. Whom God will send here from heaven [as He will His two witnesses of Rev.11].  

They were the righteous ones in OT Sheol when Jesus preached the gospel to them, according to 1 Pet.3:18-20. Then when He ascended into heaven, in Acts 1:9, He took all the righteous saints who came from OT Sheol, to heaven with with Him, when Ne ascended into heaven, as seen in Eph.4:7-10, fulfilling the prophecy in Ps.68:18. [During OT times, the spirits of the righteous dead went to Sheol, as did the wicked, because it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sin, as recorded in Heb.10:3-4, Lk.16:19-25 and in Ps.49:14-15, until Jesus shed His blood and died on the cross, amplified by Paul in Rom.3:25-26.

The efforts of the 144,000 mission as evangelists is then revealed in the parenthetic [preview] view of the Great Multitude seen in heaven, recorded in Rev.7:9-17, who represent all of those who will be saved during the tribulation, and who are also the martyrs who participate in the first resurrection of Rev.20:4 and 6. They are the tribulation saints and are the ones who will be left behind, when the Church is raptured.  The 144,000 do not belong to the Church or they would be raptured with the Church before the tribulation begins.

When their work is finished, the 144,000 will be translated, and return to heaven, in Rev.14:1-5. When that happens, the earth will once again be without anyone to preach the Eternal Gospel. So God will commission an angel to do so in Rev.14:6-7.

Therefore, the 144,000 are all converted Israelites who take the place of the Raptured Church to preach the Gospel to all those who will be left behind when Jesus comes to take His Church with Him to our Father in heaven, as previously address above, documented in Jn.14:2-4 and 28; 1Thes.4:13-17 and 2 Thes.2:1-8.

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9 hours ago, Quasar93 said:

The overview of the tribulation, begins with the first of the four riders, on the white horse, who is the antichrist, in the first of seven seals; 

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Jesus said there is a narrow path all must take in order to follow him, and warned us early from veering off this path onto the "wide path" that leads to destruction.  As soon as the gospels were made available in print, the enemy placed the Word of God into the hands of his wicked counsel who would conquer souls through the precepts and traditions of men.

So the first horse happened centuries ago.  The stage was set for the mother church of Babylon to provide the "wide path" using Christ's name.  From her, many churches were born, designed to block the flock from the whole truth.  This would carry on to play an important role in the end times, where deception would be at his highest.  This first horse was not the beginning of the tribulation, but would carry on into that time.  The False prophet comes on the Pale horse (4th horse), where death and hell follow him.

 

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after the six seals, before the seventh seal that contains the seven trumpet judgments begins in Rev.8, God will send 144,000 consisting of 12,000 Israelites from each of twelve of their tribes, that He "redeems from the earth" according to Rev.14:3. Sealing them, and they become converted believers in Jesus Christ who will take the place of the Raptured Church, to preach the Eternal Gospel in their absence, to all those left on the earth, according to Rev.7:1-8. Whom God will send here from heaven [as He will His two witnesses of Rev.11].

The 144,000 are not suddenly converted at the time they are sealed, but have been following wheresoever the Lamb goes.  At this "watch" they are found faithful because the Word is found in them. They have stuck to the narrow path, and washed their robes white from not straying.  They do not need to be "tested" for their faith, as they are found worthy of the Lamb at this watch where the sealing takes place.  No man knows this day.

They are not needed for the preaching during the tribulation, for God will send his two witnesses and all eyes will be on them.

The 144K are the firstfruits picked.  Selected for God's protection during the tribulation.  Nothing will harm them, and God will be with them when he pours out his cup of fury on the world, and disciplines his other saints through the fire because their robes are not fully washed yet, but he will make them clean once they have gone through that.

No one can claim to be in this number, but we all would desire to be found in the minority group of the faithful, and the Lord will decide who goes where at this watch.  So we need to stay awake, and make sure that we have not strayed from the Word and strengthen the things that are weak.

 

 

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9 hours ago, Quasar93 said:

Therefore, the 144,000 are all converted Israelites who take the place of the Raptured Church to preach the Gospel to all those who will be left behind when Jesus comes to take His Church with Him to our Father in heaven, as previously address above, documented in Jn.14:2-4 and 28; 1Thes.4:13-17 and 2 Thes.2:1-8.

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There is no Jew nor Gentile when it comes to following the Lamb.  All are one, and God is not a respecter of persons.  All are of the seed of Christ, that seed, according to the heart.

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11 hours ago, Quasar93 said:

According to the Bible, Jesus, Paul and John revealed, those of us who belong to His Church, will be CAUGHT UP [Raptured] to Him in the clouds of the sky, before the antichrist is revealed, as recorded in 2 Thes.2:3 and 7-8.  Who triggers the seven year tribulation/70th Week of Daniel, God decreed Israel to go through in Dan.9:27.

[The exemption/rapture of the Church from the tribulation = Jn.14:1-4 and 28; 1 Thes.4:14-18 and 2 Thes.2:1-8].  God's decree upon Israel to go through the tribulation = Jer.30:7 and Dan.9:27, where the person who 'confirms a covenant/treaty/agreement with Israel is the antichrist, and all three of the "he's" in Dan.9:27.  Who triggers the 70th and final 'Week,'/seven year tribulation/Day of the Lord].

Jesus said He has two sheep folds, Israel whom He was addressing, and the "other one He must also bring," the Church, according to Jn.10:16. He prophecied that they will become one fold with one Shepherd. He also said many who are first will be last [Israel] and many who are last will be first [The Church] in Mt.19:30. This will be fullfilled after the first resurrection af all the tribulation saints, in Rev.20:4-6, and then rule with Christ for 1,000 years, in Rev.20:4 and 6.

He meant His Church will be CAUGHT UP to be with Him before the tribulation begins, according to 1 Thes.4:16-17 and 2 Thes.2:1-8] and that Israel will go through the tribulation [Dan.9:27]. When Israel finally recognizes Jesus as their Messiah, according to Zech.12:10 , they will then come into the same sheep fold with the Church and the two will become one fold, with Jesus being the one Shepherd, when He establishes His Millennial kingdom here on earth according to Rev.20:6.

When the Church is Caught Up to be with the Lord in heaven, the antichrist is revealed and the tribulation begins, according to 2 Thes.2:3-4, 7-8; Dan.9:27 and Rev.6:2].

The overview of the tribulation, begins with the first of the four riders, on the white horse, who is the antichrist, in the first of seven seals; after the six seals, before the seventh seal that contains the seven trumpet judgments begins in Rev.8, God will send 144,000 consisting of 12,000 Israelites from each of twelve of their tribes, that He "redeems from the earth" according to Rev.14:3. Sealing them, and they become converted believers in Jesus Christ who will take the place of the Raptured Church, to preach the Eternal Gospel in their absence, to all those left on the earth, according to Rev.7:1-8. Whom God will send here from heaven [as He will His two witnesses of Rev.11].  

They were the righteous ones in OT Sheol when Jesus preached the gospel to them, according to 1 Pet.3:18-20. Then when He ascended into heaven, in Acts 1:9, He took all the righteous saints who came from OT Sheol, to heaven with with Him, when Ne ascended into heaven, as seen in Eph.4:7-10, fulfilling the prophecy in Ps.68:18. [During OT times, the spirits of the righteous dead went to Sheol, as did the wicked, because it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sin, as recorded in Heb.10:3-4, Lk.16:19-25 and in Ps.49:14-15, until Jesus shed His blood and died on the cross, amplified by Paul in Rom.3:25-26.

The efforts of the 144,000 mission as evangelists is then revealed in the parenthetic [preview] view of the Great Multitude seen in heaven, recorded in Rev.7:9-17, who represent all of those who will be saved during the tribulation, and who are also the martyrs who participate in the first resurrection of Rev.20:4 and 6. They are the tribulation saints and are the ones who will be left behind, when the Church is raptured.  The 144,000 do not belong to the Church or they would be raptured with the Church before the tribulation begins.

When their work is finished, the 144,000 will be translated, and return to heaven, in Rev.14:1-5. When that happens, the earth will once again be without anyone to preach the Eternal Gospel. So God will commission an angel to do so in Rev.14:6-7.

Therefore, the 144,000 are all converted Israelites who take the place of the Raptured Church to preach the Gospel to all those who will be left behind when Jesus comes to take His Church with Him to our Father in heaven, as previously address above, documented in Jn.14:2-4 and 28; 1Thes.4:13-17 and 2 Thes.2:1-8.

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The 12 tribes of Israel who will be saved during the seven year tribulation. These Jews are sealed and have a special protection from God.

Reuben, Simeon, Judah, Issachar, Zebulun, Benjamin, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Ephraim and Manasseh.

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1 hour ago, Sister said:

Error.

There is no Jew nor Gentile when it comes to following the Lamb.  All are one, and God is not a respecter of persons.  All are of the seed of Christ, that seed, according to the heart.

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1 hour ago, Sister said:

Hi Quasar

Jesus said there is a narrow path all must take in order to follow him, and warned us early from veering off this path onto the "wide path" that leads to destruction.  As soon as the gospels were made available in print, the enemy placed the Word of God into the hands of his wicked counsel who would conquer souls through the precepts and traditions of men.

So the first horse happened centuries ago.  The stage was set for the mother church of Babylon to provide the "wide path" using Christ's name.  From her, many churches were born, designed to block the flock from the whole truth.  This would carry on to play an important role in the end times, where deception would be at his highest.  This first horse was not the beginning of the tribulation, but would carry on into that time.  The False prophet comes on the Pale horse (4th horse), where death and hell follow him.

 

The 144,000 are not suddenly converted at the time they are sealed, but have been following wheresoever the Lamb goes.  At this "watch" they are found faithful because the Word is found in them. They have stuck to the narrow path, and washed their robes white from not straying.  They do not need to be "tested" for their faith, as they are found worthy of the Lamb at this watch where the sealing takes place.  No man knows this day.

They are not needed for the preaching during the tribulation, for God will send his two witnesses and all eyes will be on them.

The 144K are the firstfruits picked.  Selected for God's protection during the tribulation.  Nothing will harm them, and God will be with them when he pours out his cup of fury on the world, and disciplines his other saints through the fire because their robes are not fully washed yet, but he will make them clean once they have gone through that.

No one can claim to be in this number, but we all would desire to be found in the minority group of the faithful, and the Lord will decide who goes where at this watch.  So we need to stay awake, and make sure that we have not strayed from the Word and strengthen the things that are weak.

 

 

Wrong.

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3 hours ago, Sister said:

Error.

There is no Jew nor Gentile when it comes to following the Lamb.  All are one, and God is not a respecter of persons.  All are of the seed of Christ, that seed, according to the heart.

No it is not in error.  When a person becomes a believer and receives Jesus as Lord and Savior, they become a member of His Body, through the baptism of the Holy Spirit, a member of His Church.  They never lose the ethniticity, which has nothing to do with it.  Revie3w ` Cor.12:12-13.

 

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2 hours ago, missmuffet said:

The 12 tribes of Israel who will be saved during the seven year tribulation. These Jews are sealed and have a special protection from God.

Reuben, Simeon, Judah, Issachar, Zebulun, Benjamin, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Ephraim and Manasseh.

Hi sis,

I left out a very important piece in the OP, in error, that would have helped in the interpretation of the article, as follows:

>>>They were the righteous ones in OT Sheol, AS DESCRIBED BY JESUS IN LK.16:19-25, when Jesus preached the gospel to them, according to 1 Pet.3:18-20. Then when He ascended into heaven, in Acts 1:9, He took all the righteous saints who came from OT Sheol, to heaven with Him, when He ascended into heaven, as seen in Eph.4:7-10, fulfilling the prophecy in Ps.68:18. During OT times, the spirits of the righteous dead went to Sheol, as did the wicked, because it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sin, as recorded in Heb.10:3-4, Lk.16:19-25 and in Ps.49:14-15, until Jesus shed His blood and died on the cross, amplified by Paul in Rom.3:25-26.

The efforts of the 144,000 mission as evangelists is then revealed in the parenthetic [preview] view of the Great Multitude seen in heaven, recorded in Rev.7:9-17, who represent all of those who will be saved during the tribulation, and who are also the martyrs who participate in the first resurrection of Rev.20:4 and 6. They are the tribulation saints and are the ones who will be left behind, when the Church is raptured.  The 144,000 do not belong to the Church or they would be raptured with the Church before the tribulation begins.<<<

 

As edited in caps above: the point being, all the OT saints were in Sheol/Hell, when Jesus went there in Spirit to  preach to them as recorded in 1 Pet.3:18-20, where they had the opportunity to believe/receive Jesus as their Lord and Savior.  Which was the case with 144,000 Israelites, plus many others who do not enter into this issue  When Jesus ascended into heaven, in Acts 1:9, He took all of them  [the 144,000 Israelites] from Sheol/Hell with Him, according to Eph.4:7-10, confirming Ps.68:18.  God will then send them back on earth again, where an angel seals them, as He will also do with His two witnesses of Rev.11:3.  They will bring the Great Multitude to the Lord, described in Rev.7:9-17, in place of the departed Church.  When their mission is completed, they will be translated back to heaven in Rev.14. 

 

There is no way anyone could be saved after the tribulation begins, because there is no one on earth at that time to bring them to the Lord.  Nor were they saved prior to the beginning of the tribulation, or they would have been raptured with the Church before it begins. 

 

Hope that helps.

 

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41 minutes ago, Quasar93 said:

Hi sis,

I left out a very important piece in the OP, in error, that would have helped in the interpretation of the article, as follows:

>>>They were the righteous ones in OT Sheol, AS DESCRIBED BY JESUS IN LK.16:19-25, when Jesus preached the gospel to them, according to 1 Pet.3:18-20. Then when He ascended into heaven, in Acts 1:9, He took all the righteous saints who came from OT Sheol, to heaven with Him, when Ne ascended into heaven, as seen in Eph.4:7-10, fulfilling the prophecy in Ps.68:18. [During OT times, the spirits of the righteous dead went to Sheol, as did the wicked, because it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sin, as recorded in Heb.10:3-4, Lk.16:19-25 and in Ps.49:14-15, until Jesus shed His blood and died on the cross, amplified by Paul in Rom.3:25-26.

The efforts of the 144,000 mission as evangelists is then revealed in the parenthetic [preview] view of the Great Multitude seen in heaven, recorded in Rev.7:9-17, who represent all of those who will be saved during the tribulation, and who are also the martyrs who participate in the first resurrection of Rev.20:4 and 6. They are the tribulation saints and are the ones who will be left behind, when the Church is raptured.  The 144,000 do not belong to the Church or they would be raptured with the Church before the tribulation begins.<<<

 

As edited in caps above: the point being, all the OT saints were in Sheol/Hell, when Jesus went ther in Spirit to  preach to them as recorded in 1 Pet.3:18-20, where they had the opportunity to believe/receive Jesus as their Lord and Savior.  Which was the case with 144,000 Israelites, plus many others who do not enter into this issue  When Jesus ascended into heaven, in Acts 1:9, He took all of them from Sheol/Hell with Him, according to Eph.4:7-10, confirming Ps.68:18.  God will then send them back on earth again, where an angel seals them, as He will also do with His two witnesses of Rev.11:3.  They will bring the Great Multitude to the Lord, described in Rev.7:9-17, in place of the departed Church.  When their mission is completed, they will be translated back to heaven in Rev.14. 

 

There is no way anyone could be saved after the tribulation begins, because there is no one on earth at that time to do so.  Nor were they saved prior to the beginning of the tribulation, or they would have been raptured with the Church before it begins. 

 

Hope that helps.

 

Quasar93

Weren't the OT Saints in Abraham's bosom when Jesus went there to preach to them and He took all of them to heaven with him?Those were the ones who were saved? Did not those who were in Sheol/Hades stay there? I believe Jesus spoke to them as well. All those now who die who are not believers go to Hades as a waiting place for the Great White Throne Judgment. In the OT Sheol was what Hades is now. But not hell or the lake of fire because that is not occupied as yet and waiting those who will be thrown into it at the end of the 1000 year Millennium and the Great White Throne judgement.

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31 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

Weren't the OT Saints in Abraham's bosom when Jesus went there to preach to them and He took all of them to heaven with him?Those were the ones who were saved? Did not those who were in Sheol/Hades stay there? I believe Jesus spoke to them as well. All those now who die who are not believers go to Hades as a waiting place for the Great White Throne Judgment. In the OT Sheol was what Hades is now. But not hell or the lake of fire because that is not occupied as yet and waiting those who will be thrown into it at the end of the 1000 year Millennium and the Great White Throne judgement.

As I wrote in the above, when Jesus went to Sheol/Hell, in 1 Pet.3:18-20, He preached to the the 144.000 when they were all there, with Abraham.  They then had a chance to have their sins forgiven and receive their salvation.  as such, all those who had been accounted as righteous, including the 144,000 Israelites, were removed from Sheol/Hell, and taken to heaven with Jesus when He ascended there, in Acts 1:9. as recorded in Eph.4:7-10, confirming Ps.68:18.

 

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