OakWood Posted December 7, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 867 Topics Per Day: 0.24 Content Count: 7,331 Content Per Day: 2.00 Reputation: 2,860 Days Won: 31 Joined: 04/09/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/28/1964 Share Posted December 7, 2017 https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/889365/Pope-Francis-Jesus-Lords-Prayer-Bible-God-Catholic-scripture-religion-christianity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted December 7, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.88 Content Count: 43,795 Content Per Day: 6.22 Reputation: 11,242 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted December 7, 2017 4 hours ago, OakWood said: https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/889365/Pope-Francis-Jesus-Lords-Prayer-Bible-God-Catholic-scripture-religion-christianity Link doesnt work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted December 8, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 596 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,043 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,788 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted December 8, 2017 "Lead us not into temptation" The Pope says that this translation tends to say that God himself is tempting us to sin and it bothers him to think that.... it goes against the teaching of the Catholic Church...... and I might add many people who has posted here over the years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted December 8, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 596 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,043 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,788 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted December 8, 2017 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5155405/Pope-wants-better-translation-phrase-temptation-Our-Father-prayer.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4LdKHVCzRDj2 Posted December 8, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 17 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,453 Content Per Day: 0.53 Reputation: 1,453 Days Won: 6 Joined: 11/02/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1991 Share Posted December 8, 2017 1 hour ago, other one said: tends to say that God himself is tempting us to sin "Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone." - James 1:13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted December 8, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 596 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,043 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,788 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted December 8, 2017 It appears the Bible agrees with the Pope. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just_abc Posted December 8, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 898 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 536 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/06/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted December 8, 2017 (edited) hi I am curious about something. I am wondering how the verse was worded in the original language that it was written in.. or rather more specifically I am wondering what the meaning in the orignal language is ? {sorry not fully sure if it is in Hebrew or Greek or Aramaic? } I am wondering because sometimes it might not be easy to translate from one language to another.. including to english language... so I am just wondering meaning in the original language that's all..? Thanks. Edited December 8, 2017 by just_abc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravindran Posted December 8, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 496 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 398 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/18/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted December 8, 2017 For once I have to agree with the Pope! And frankly, people are giving an incorrect headline to the news. He is not really changing Lord's prayer. He is asking to consider the real meaning and questioning whether the English translation is rendering the right interpretation. If someone would ask us to explain, we would say Oh Lord never tempts a person (and quote James). And we would say "what the Scripture really says here is...". Pope is saying why not just say what we actually intent to say! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravindran Posted December 8, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 496 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 398 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/18/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted December 8, 2017 And just to add on. I don't agree with Pope's translation though! The intent of the scripture is not to say please help us not to face temptation. The actual Greek word used for temptation is translated as (a) trial, probation, testing, being tried, (b) temptation, (c) calamity, affliction. The prayer is asking Lord to lead us not into trials, calamity or affliction. But rather deliver us from evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted December 8, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 596 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,043 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,788 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted December 8, 2017 14 minutes ago, ravindran said: And just to add on. I don't agree with Pope's translation though! The intent of the scripture is not to say please help us not to face temptation. The actual Greek word used for temptation is translated as (a) trial, probation, testing, being tried, (b) temptation, (c) calamity, affliction. The prayer is asking Lord to lead us not into trials, calamity or affliction. But rather deliver us from evil. So you disagree with the translation to tempt..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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