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Christs church will be raptured before the tribulation as Scripture clearly teaches;

The purpose of the rapture is to resurrect the just from the dead and take all the saints out of the world before the tribulation comes, in order that they may have fulfilled in them the purpose for which God has saved them. Jesus told the disciples that some would escape the terrible things that were to transpire on the Earth in the last days. He said, “Pray that you may be accounted worth to escape all these things of, Matt. 24, 25; Luke 21:1-19, 25-28, that shall come to pass, and stand before the Son of man,” Luke 21:34-36. These two passages in Luke 21:34-36 and John 14:1-3, are the only ones in the Gospels that are clear concerning the Rapture. Jesus did not reveal this, it was revealed by Paul many years later in 1 Cor. 15:51. The disciples did not have the slightest idea as to how they were to escape, unless they thought that Christ would deliver them from these things through His power. The how was not revealed or even mentioned before Paul explained how they were to escape.

The Rapture of the church should never be confused with the second coming or second advent of Christ, for He does not come to the earth at that time.

The Rapture is a distinct coming in itself, not to the Earth, but in the air where Christ meets the saints and then takes them back to Heaven to present them blameless before God the Father, John 14:1-3; 1 Thess. 3:13; 4:16, 17.

The Rapture takes place several years before the literal advent of Christ to the Earth, for they, the saints come back with Him at that time. The saints are
in Heaven before God, and not in the air, from the time of the Rapture to their coming again with Christ to reign as kings and priests, Jude 14; Rev. 19:14; Zech. 14:5.

At the Rapture, the Lord comes from Heaven as far as the air, or Earthly Heavens and the saints will be caught up to meet Him in the air.

At the second coming, the saints are not raptured, and neither is Christ, but both will come back to the Earth together.

The rapture takes place before theTribulation, whereas the second Advent takes place after the Tribulation. The Rapture could occur at any time, whereas the second Advent cannot occur until
after the tribulation.

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The purpose of the tribulation.
(1) To purify Israel and bring them back to a place where God can fulfil the everlasting covenants made with their fathers (Isa. 2:6; 3:26; 16:1-5; 24:1-25;
26:20, 21; Ezek. 20:33, 34; 22:17-22; Rom. 11;25-29).

 

(2) To purify Israel of all rebels (Ezek. 20:33, 34; 22;17-22;  Zech. 13:8, 9; Mal. 3:3, 4).

(3) To plead with and bring Israel into bond with the new covenant (Ezek. 20:33, 34; 36:24-28; Jer. 30:3-11; Zech. 12:10-13:9; mal. 4:3, 4).

(4) To Judge Israel and punish them for their rejection of the messiah and make them willing to accept Him when He comes the second time (Ezek. 20:33,34; Zech. 12:10-13:9; 14:1-15; Matt. 24:15-31).

(5) To Judge the nations for their persecution of Israel (Isa. 63:1-5; Joel 3; Rev. 6:-19:21).

(6) To bring Israel to complete repentance (Zech. 12:10-13;9 Rom. 11:26-29;  Matt. 23:39).

(7) To fulfil the prophecies of (Dan. 9:24-27; Rev. 6:1-19; 21; Matt. 24:15,29).

(80)To cause I seal to flee into the wilderness of Edom and Moab and to be so persecuted by the nations that Israel will have to turn to God for help (Isa. 16:1-5 Ezek. 20:33-35; Dan. 11:40-12:7; Hos. 2:14-17; Matt. 24:15-31; Rev. 12).

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8 minutes ago, Unfailing Presence said:

I agree , the "time of Jacob's trouble "  is not the " wrath of God " . 

Actually, the "time of Jacob's trouble" IS part of the time of the Wrath of God, the very first 1260 days of it. Jacob is Israel, those Jews who were unbelieving in Jesus as their Messiah up until they SEE him at the 6th Seal --

"sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.” Matt. 26:64

Ps. 110:1 The LORD said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.”

Zech 12:10 “And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn."

But by the time that they believe, the Church will have been taken up, at the 6th Seal. They [Israel] miss the boat, not having been prepared; although God then seals the most faithful of them in their foreheads (Rev. 7), in order to protect them on earth during the Wrath, for the purpose of providing leadership to his non-raptured people Israel. All explained in more scriptural detail in a number of my blog posts.

 

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41 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

All pretribbers that I have heard try to equate the Great Tribulation with the Wrath of God. Nothing in the Scriptures says this, but that makes no difference to them.

The Great Tribulation effects the Church. It is ALLOWED by God to take place, but it is not CAUSED by God, but rather by Satan and his earthly minions.

God's Wrath is poured out on the latter, but only AFTER the Church is removed, "immediately AFTER the tribulation." Matt. 24:29

 I believe God's wrath is poured out in the presence of the church.

Much like the plagues in Egypt affected the Egyptians but not everyone.

In fact i believe if two were in the field and one taken,and the other left ,the one taken is quite dead and the one left is saved.

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16 minutes ago, HAZARD said:

Christs church will be raptured before the tribulation as Scripture clearly teaches;

The purpose of the rapture is to resurrect the just from the dead and take all the saints out of the world before the tribulation comes, in order that they may have fulfilled in them the purpose for which God has saved them. Jesus told the disciples that some would escape the terrible things that were to transpire on the Earth in the last days. He said, “Pray that you may be accounted worth to escape all these things of, Matt. 24, 25; Luke 21:1-19, 25-28, that shall come to pass, and stand before the Son of man,” Luke 21:34-36. These two passages in Luke 21:34-36 and John 14:1-3, are the only ones in the Gospels that are clear concerning the Rapture. Jesus did not reveal this, it was revealed by Paul many years later in 1 Cor. 15:51. The disciples did not have the slightest idea as to how they were to escape, unless they thought that Christ would deliver them from these things through His power. The how was not revealed or even mentioned before Paul explained how they were to escape.

The Rapture of the church should never be confused with the second coming or second advent of Christ, for He does not come to the earth at that time.

The Rapture is a distinct coming in itself, not to the Earth, but in the air where Christ meets the saints and then takes them back to Heaven to present them blameless before God the Father, John 14:1-3; 1 Thess. 3:13; 4:16, 17.

Mostly correct, but still missing the point that the Tribulation is not the Wrath. There is absolutely no scripture that says Christ raptures his church before the Tribulation. None, nada, ixnay. If there were, pretribbers would have long since found it and waved it about, and they would have been right. But there ain't, so they haven't.

Dan. 12:1 At that time Michael shall stand up,
The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people;
And there shall be a time of trouble,
Such as never was since there was a nation...

2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake...

Matt. 24:15 Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet... 21 then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be."

Daniel is clear on the order: time of trouble = Great Tribulation, then the resurrection of the dead, which every Christian knows immediately precedes the Rapture.

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9 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

Actually, the "time of Jacob's trouble" IS part of the time of the Wrath of God, the very first 1260 days of it. Jacob is Israel, those Jews who were unbelieving in Jesus as their 

 

 

 I do not interpret " trouble "  or " distress"  as having the same meaning as  " wrath " . 

What do you consider to be a demonstration of God's " wrath"  within these  " first 1260 days "  ?

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6 minutes ago, Unfailing Presence said:

What do you consider to be a demonstration of God's " wrath"  within these  " first 1260 days "  ?

The 7 Trumpets. All explained in detail in my blog posts. Gotta go now.

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2 hours ago, WilliamL said:

There is absolutely no scripture that says Christ raptures his church before the Tribulation. None, nada, ixnay. If there were, pretribbers would have long since found it and waved it about, and they would have been right. But there ain't, so they haven't.

Dan. 12:1 At that time Michael shall stand up,
The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people;
And there shall be a time of trouble,
Such as never was since there was a nation...

2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake...

Matt. 24:15 Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet... 21 then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be."

Daniel is clear on the order: time of trouble = Great Tribulation, then the resurrection of the dead, which every Christian knows immediately precedes the Rapture.

The Rapture is a distinct coming in itself, not to the Earth, but in the air where Christ meets the saints and then takes them back to Heaven to present them blameless before God the Father, John 14:1-3; 1 Thess. 3:13; 4:16, 17.

1 Thess. 4:16-17, V.16, For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
    17, Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

The Rapture takes place several years before the literal advent of Christ to the Earth, for they, the saints come back with Him at that time. The saints are
in Heaven before God, and not in the air, from the time of the Rapture to their coming again with Christ to reign as kings and priests, Jude 14; Rev. 19:14; Zech. 14:5.

At the Rapture, the Lord comes from Heaven as far as the air, or Earthly Heavens and the saints will be caught up to meet Him in the air.

At the second coming, the saints are not raptured, and neither is Christ, but both will come back to the Earth together.

The rapture takes place before theTribulation, whereas the second Advent takes place after the Tribulation. The Rapture could occur at any time, whereas the second Advent cannot occur until
after the tribulation.

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On 16/12/2017 at 5:10 PM, Unfailing Presence said:

We know that all scripture is given for our instruction and encouragement of God's people .

Whether you agree with it or not the purpose and instruction inherent in the pre-tribulation calling up is obvious , God will not abandon or forsake His faithful to suffer a specific 

 

There is no verse showing a literal pretrib.

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5 hours ago, inchrist said:

There is no verse showing a literal pretrib.

You are not reading what I said .

There is no place between the front & back covers of the bible where God gives up an entire group of faithful , obedient people to a specific judgement . 

And you can't name one . 

 

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