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On 12/20/2017 at 6:45 AM, 4LdKHVCzRDj2 said:

And from where faith comes? From you? Not at all, it is a gift from God.

"For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
not of works, lest anyone should boast." - Ephesians 2:8-9

Actually the free gift is salvation not the faith.

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23 minutes ago, DJ7 said:

Actually the free gift is salvation not the faith.

Salvation is by grace, through faith... Or do you think anyone can just keep believing (have faith) on their own?

"For to you it has been granted on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake" - Philippians 1:29

 

Everything, even our faith comes from the Lord.

"For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen." - Romans 11:36

 

Then if anyone thinks you have achieved something, take care... Because God resist the proud, but give grace to the humble.

"Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on,
that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me." - Philippians 3:12


"Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall." - 1 Corinthians 10:12


"Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming." - Matthew 24:42

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30 minutes ago, DJ7 said:

Actually the free gift is salvation not the faith.

As written in Scripture, faith is a gift from God.  Salvation is a gift from God also.  Both are rare on earth.

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On 12/19/2017 at 11:21 AM, Dennis1209 said:

I've been reading several commentaries on this verse, and the expositor's and scholar's seem to agree. That during this time when the Jew's flee the Antichrist, if any shall try to preserve their mortal human life, by denying Christ or their religion to preserve their mortal life, is to lose their eternal Salvation in the day of trail. Does anyone disagree with my understanding of what this verse implies? 

This verse does not imply anything.  It states the TRUTH clearly.  And it is always TRUTH, with Jews and gentiles. Today.  Not sometime future or past only, and certainly not only during the tribulation.

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Actually the bible says where faith comes from

Romans 10:17

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

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Just now, simplejeff said:

As written in Scripture, faith is a gift from God.  Salvation is a gift from God also.  Both are rare on earth.

Faith in truth, in Christ. No one comes to the Father except through Him.

"I tell you that He will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will He really find faith on the earth?" - Luke 18:8

 

Remember, follow the example of the Lord... Being what He is, even He prayed, watched, and seek the Father... He was humble and obedient to death on the cross.

 

Then how much more we have to pray, seek, ask, watch, humble ourselves, etc...?! Think about it.

"Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded." - James 4:8

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5 minutes ago, DJ7 said:

Actually the bible says where faith comes from

He is the Word.

"And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory,
    the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth." - John 1:14

 

And faith, in the truth, in Him... Comes from the Spirit.

"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness,
goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law." - Galatians 5:22-23

 

Glory to God! Amen.

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So when Jesus said to have faith as a mustard seed He was saying what? You need to be waiting for more gift from the Lord?

If faith was a gift then you would have to wait to get the gift of faith to then believe by faith in the gift of salvation to get saved.

 

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24 minutes ago, DJ7 said:

Actually the bible says where faith comes from

Romans 10:17

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Read through all Scripture and see - what did the religious leaders do ?  The ones who sought to kill Jesus ?

They READ SCRIPTURE !  They thought that in SCRIPTURE they would find LIFE, and there HE WAS WITH THEM, and they did not recognize HIM- JESUS THE MESSIAH right there with them.

So reading Scripture did not help them at all, no, not at all, BECAUSE it was not mixed with belief.  So they perished.

The Bible Says .......   also where rain comes from.  Can you make it rain ?  Likewise no one can make faith, nor buy it, nor get it by their own effort.

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11 minutes ago, DJ7 said:

So when Jesus said to have faith as a mustard seed He was saying what? You need to be waiting for more gift from the Lord?

If faith was a gift then you would have to wait to get the gift of faith to then believe by faith in the gift of salvation to get saved.

 

If someone has a past due bill, a cut off notice for their electric,  and a local church is known to help with such things,

and they go and get help ,  they go and ask for help with their electric bill.

If they stay home , or just stay away from the place of help ,  **they don't get help.

LIkewise, if someone does not seek God,  **they do not get help. 

Btw,  Jesus told the ekklesia they already had all the faith they needed.  (a few or more places in the NT). It was already given to them.  (the Apostles didn't even realize this ! )

Faith is a gift.  From God.  No one has faith unless God granted it to them.  God is generous.  He freely gives people the gift of faith.

He also sends a famine of the hearing of the Word of God.  (so even though faith comes by hearing, and is a gift, most people never hear the Word of God) .  Every Word of God is TRUTH.  He never contradicts Himself.

**re: "they don't get help" - YHVH is SO MERCIFUL, He made Himself known to people who did not even seek HIM !   (as written in HIS WORD, SCRIPTURE).

So there are or may be seeming exceptions(from our view points) , as written in His Word.  Not contradictions ever, but often a paradox.

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