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Christ said the tribulation was cut short for the elect sake.My question for those who believe in a rapture.Why were the elect not raptured?

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2 minutes ago, n2thelight said:

Christ said the tribulation was cut short for the elect sake.My question for those who believe in a rapture.Why were the elect not raptured?

Padnah.    the rapture is real.   its just often mistaught as something that occurs before we have to suffer for the kingdom.

The reason its cut short is due to if it weren't not a christain would be spared.  Yeah its about to get that ugly.  by christain i mean the true ones

that don't sell out to the all inclusisve lie for anti Christ relgoin of world peace.  most others who are name only will sell out soon enough.

In the mean time.  I am asking for volunteers to help me warn out .  

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1 hour ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

Padnah.    the rapture is real.   its just often mistaught as something that occurs before we have to suffer for the kingdom.

The reason its cut short is due to if it weren't not a christain would be spared.  Yeah its about to get that ugly.  by christain i mean the true ones

that don't sell out to the all inclusisve lie for anti Christ relgoin of world peace.  most others who are name only will sell out soon enough.

In the mean time.  I am asking for volunteers to help me warn out .  

Not understanding,as in the days were cut short during the tribulation,yet rapturist say you all will be gone

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5 hours ago, n2thelight said:

Christ said the tribulation was cut short for the elect sake.My question for those who believe in a rapture.Why were the elect not raptured?

 

4 hours ago, n2thelight said:

Not understanding,as in the days were cut short during the tribulation,yet rapturist say you all will be gone

 

There are two groups of elects n2. The elect is just another word for God's chosen people, elected, the firstfruit. The elects are not a group of people only from the church or only from Israel. God's plan of redemption is to save man, all mankind, Jews and gentiles. The elects on earth who goes through the tribulation are the 144,000. It's why they're sealed. The elects of the church are in heaven during the tribulation. When was the last time you read in the bible the elects of the church being sealed?

The elects of the church are not sealed because the church doesn't go through the tribulation.

Matthew 24:31 New King James Version (NKJV)

31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

Matthew 24:22 New King James Version (NKJV)

22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.

 

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Psalms37:4 said:

 

 

There are two groups of elects n2. The elect is just another word for God's chosen people, elected, the firstfruit. The elects are not a group of people only from the church or only from Israel. God's plan of redemption is to save man, all mankind, Jews and gentiles. The elects on earth who goes through the tribulation are the 144,000. It's why their sealed. The elects of the church are in heaven during the tribulation. When was the last time you read in the bible the elects of the church being sealed?

The elects of the church are not sealed because the church doesn't go through the tribulation.

Matthew 24:31 New King James Version (NKJV)

31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

Matthew 24:22 New King James Version (NKJV)

22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.

 

 

 

So how and why do they get sealed and are they not servants of God?

So my question still remains,why are they not raptured?

Revelation 7:3 "Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads."

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1 hour ago, n2thelight said:

So how and why do they get sealed and are they not servants of God?

Revelation 14:1-5 New King James Version (NKJV)

14 Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father’s name written on their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven, like the voice of many waters, and like the voice of loud thunder. And I heard the sound of harpists playing their harps. They sang as it were a new song before the throne, before the four living creatures, and the elders; and no one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who were redeemed from the earth. These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These were redeemed from among men, being firstfruits to God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no deceit, for they are without fault before the throne of God.

 

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So my question still remains,why are they not raptured?

If the 144,000 are raptured, how can Daniel's 70th week be fulfilled?

 

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Revelation 7:3 "Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads."

Yeah that's what it said. They get sealed before the tribulation commences at the 6th Seal. 

The church also suddenly appeared and is present before the throne room of God before the tribulation commences in the 6th Seal. Revelation 7:9-17.

The rapture happened at the beginning of the 6th Seal in Revelation 6:12-14. Watch the first video for an explanation on Revelation 6:12-14.

 

 

Revelation 6:15-17 is the reaction from people all over the world who were left behind knowing what had just happened was the rapture and knowing they will now have to face the wrath of God. People will know the only way millions of Christians suddenly vanished could only have been the rapture of the church. Many will become believers on the day of the rapture and begin turning to God.

Jesus said nobody knew when the tribulation came till they all saw the flood during the days of Noah. When the rapture hits, the whole world will also know the tribulation has started.

 

Revelation 6:15-17 New King James Version (NKJV)

15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”

 

Matthew 24:36-39 New King James Version (NKJV)

36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only. 37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

 

The rapture is a pretty effective way to sound the alarm to the whole world to know the tribulation has just started.

In summary at the 6th Seal.

Revelation 6:12-14 = The rapture of the church.

Revelation 6:15-17 = The world's reaction after being left behind knowing the wrath of God has begun.

Revelation 7:1-8 = The sealing of the 144,000.

Revelation 7: 9-17 = The church appears in heaven standing before God.

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The 6th Seal is the next prophetic event in the book of Revelation. There's other prophecies mentioned in the old testament that will happen before the rapture of the church and the tribulation commences.

Currently we're at the 5th Seal, the time of the martyrs. In at least the last four years, Christian persecution has hit an all time high with each new year exceeding the previous year. 

Revelation 6:9-11 New King James Version (NKJV)

When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” 11 Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.

 

In 2017

Christian Persecution Hits All-Time High Worldwide: Report

https://www.christianpost.com/news/christian-persecution-all-time-high-worldwide-report-202955/

End of Christianity: Persecution is at an all-time high - shock warning from Catholics

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/883141/christian-persecution-all-time-high-middle-east-copts-syria-iraq

 

Report: Persecution of Christians Around the World at an All-Time High

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/laurettabrown/2017/10/20/report-persecution-of-christians-abroad-at-an-all-time-high-n2398199

 

In 2016

Open Doors USA World Watch List shows record high persecution of Christians

http://www.scientologyreligion.org/blog/open-doors-usa-world-watch-list-shows-record-high-persecution-of-christians.html

 

‘Worst Year Yet’: The Top 50 Countries Where It’s Hardest to Be a

Christian

http://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2017/january/top-50-countries-christian-persecution-world-watch-list.html

 

Christians the most persecuted group in world for second year: Study

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/01/06/christians-most-persecuted-group-in-world-for-second-year-study.html

 

In 2015

Christian persecution reached record high in 2015, report says

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/17/world/christian-persecution-2015/index.html

 

In 2014

Persecution of Christians reached historic levels in 2014. Will 2015 be worse?

http://religionnews.com/2015/01/07/persecution-christians-reached-historic-levels-2014-will-2015-worse/

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Why are they not Raptured?  a. they are not the Bride

Only those with fire insurance get reimbursed for a fire.

So when did the first Seal happen?.

In Christ

Montana Marv

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10 hours ago, n2thelight said:

Christ said the tribulation was cut short for the elect sake.My question for those who believe in a rapture.Why were the elect not raptured?

 

Because the rapture has not yet taken place.  Review the following:

The chronological order of end time events:

1. The very next prophetic event to take place will be the rapture of the Church, consisting of everyone who believes in Jesus Christ as Lord, regardless of denomination, or no denomination at all, as taught by both Jesus as well as the apostle Paul. In Jn.14:2-4, 28; 1 Thes.4:13-18; 2 Thes.2:1-8; Rev.3:10 and 4:1-2. All those who died in Christ, to all those who are still alive at His coming in the clouds of the sky, for His Church, where we will all meet Jesus, from where He will take us to our Father in heaven, as He promised us in Jn.14:2-4 and 28.

2. The rapture of the Christian Church of Jesus Christ preceeds the revealing of the man of lawlessness/beast/antichrist, according to 2 Thes.2:3-4 and 7-8. Which then immediately sets off the seven years of tribulation, as recorded in Mt.24:4-31, Jesus amplification of Dan.9:27. Where the person who is all three of the "he's" in that verse, and the rider of the white horse in Rev.6:2, is revealed. All of whom are the antichrist. It is at this stage of end times chronology the 70th Week of Dan.9:27 will begin.

3. The tribulation is revealed in Jer.30:4-7, referred to as "Jacob's Trouble," and in Dan.9:27, the 70th and final week of God's decree upon the destiny of Israel. In God's revelation to the prophet Daniel, through the angel Gabriel, the 70 "Weeks" [7 years each] of years He has decreed upon the entire destiny of Israel. From the end of their 70 year exile, through the coming seven year tribulation. The person who will set it of is the antichrist, the "he" who will establish a seven year covenant/agreement with them. Dan.9:27.

Jesus amplified and confirmed Daniel's 70th and final "Week," consisting of the abomination that causes desolation, in Mt.24:15 and 21, and in the counterparts of Mk.13 and in Lk.21.

4. The fig trees have sprouted leaves, we can see for ourselves and know that summer is near. Lk.21:29. Which began with the new nation of Israel, when it was reestablished on May 14, 1948.

5. The Christian Church of Jesus Christ is called up into heaven, symbolically illustrated by the apostle John in Rev.4:1-2, confirming 2 Thes.2:3 and 7-8. As prophecied in Jn.14:2-4, 28 and 1 Thes.4:16-17, while Israel and all non-believers will go through the seven year tribulation. The Church is seen again at their marriage of the Lamb [Jesus Christ] to His Bride [The Church] in heaven, recorded in Rev.19:7-9, while the tribulation is taking place on earth.

6. Jesus will return, seven ears later, with His Church, following Him on white horses, dressed in fine linen, white and clean, which stands for the righteous acts of the saints [Verse 8 NIV]. In His Second Coming to the earth, with His angels, in His armies from heaven, in Zech.14:4-5, Mt.24:31, Jude 14, and Rev.19:14.

7. Jesus will fight the battle of Armageddon, with His armies from heaven and end it, recorded in Rev.19:11-21. And save the remnant of Israel, who then recognize Him as their Messiah, recorded in Zech.12:10, and "all Israel will be saved," recorded in Rom.11:26...

8. The antichrist and the false prophet will be thrown into the lake of fire, and the armies of the ten horns [nations] are destroyed. Rev19:17-21. Jesus prophecy in Jn.10:16 will then be fulfilled, when there will be one fold [Israel and His Church] and one Shepherd. It is at this stage of end times chronology the 70 Weeks prophecy in Dan.9:27 will end.
9..Satan is caught and thrown into the Abyss for the same 1,000 years that Jesus will reign, in His kingdom here on the earth. Rev.20:6, confirming Mt.6:9-13; Zech.6:12-13, described in Ez.40-47; Acts 1:6; 2:29-30 and 15:16.

10. The first resurrection takes place which consists of all those brought to the Lord during the tribulation by the 144,000 Israelite evangelists. They will be martyred during the tribulation, by the two beasts, the antichrist, the false prophet and the ten horns [nations] allied to them. Those who are brought to Christ by the 144,000 Israelite evangelists, in the absence of the departed Church during the tribulation, do not belong to the Christian Church [who will be raptured before the seven year tribulation begins, as addressed above]. They will be made priests of God and of Christ, and rule with Him for 1,000 years, after their resurrection, according to Rev.20:4 and 6. They will be beheaded and pay with their lives for their testimony of Jesus, by the two beasts, the antichrist, the false prophet and the ten horns [nations] allied to them..

11. The Millennial Kingdom of Christ will consist of the one body of Christ, His Church, all those who survived the tribulation, besides the resurrected martyrs, and the remnant of Israel. In numbers alone, from an estimated original 7 billion people, there will only be 2.3 billion remaining , of those who had to go through the tribulation, recorded in Zech.13:8. Life expectancy will be greatly increased. Isa.65:20 and 11:6-9.

12. Jesus 1,000 year kingdom will begin at this point, according to Rev.20:6, here on the earth, on the throne of David, in the restored kingdom of Israel, confirming Acts 1:6; 2:29-30 and 15:16. At the same time the 1,000 years Satan will be in the Abyss, according to Rev.20:1-3. Jesus prophecy in Jn.10:16 will then be fulfilled, when there will be one fold, Israel and the Church, with one Shepherd. When Jesus Millennial kingdom has ended, 1,000 years later, at the Great White Throne judgment, recorded in Rev.20:11-15. Satan will be released and go out to deceive the people and nations again in his last rebellion against God and gather a huge army who come against God's people, surrounding Jerusalem. But God will send fire and sulfur down from heaven, as He did at Sodom and Gomorrah, destroying them all, and throwing Satan into the lake of fire, forever, in Rev.20:7-10.

13. The second resurrection takes place according to Rev.20:5, that consists of all those who will be saved during the Millennial reign of Jesus here on the earth, as well as the Godless and wicked, at the Great White Throne Judgment, set up to judge them, right here on earth. The sea, death and Hades all give up their dead and will then be thrown into the lake of fire. Meaning, that all who were in the 'temporal holding tanks' of Sheol, Hades and Hell will be removed to face judgment, along with death itself, disposed of forever. For all those who participate in the second resurrection, if their name is not found in the book of life, will be thrown into the lake of fire forever. Rev.20:11-15, and Dan.12:2 and Mt.25:46 will be fulfilled.

14. The old heaven and earth will pass away, recorded in Rev.21:1 [Destroyed by fire according to 2 Pet.3:7] and God will provide an all new heaven and earth, and the new eternal city of Jerusalem will descend from heaven, 1,500 miles long and as wide as it is long and as high as it is wide, Rev.21:1-16.

15. The rest of chapters 21 and 22 allude to a description of the coming eternal city and life of all believers who will be with the Lord forever.


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11 hours ago, n2thelight said:

Christ said the tribulation was cut short for the elect sake.My question for those who believe in a rapture.Why were the elect not raptured?

http://biblehub.com/matthew/24-31.htm

The elect are gathered after the tribulation when Jesus comes just as Jesus said.

 

I have a question for you.Paul said let no man deceive you for that day will not come untill first there is a falling away and the son of perdition is revealed.

The question is this.Do you believe it could be possible that God has sent the pretribbers a strong delusion that they should trust in a lie so they will not be able to understand things such as the falling away or even who the son of perdition is,or anything else for that matter?

It appears that no pre tribbers are going to be allowed to understand any of the signs preceding the time of the end.

What do you think?

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