The Pre-trib & Wrath of God

[Sister]

A question was asked in private "What is the difference between the Pre-trib and Wrath of God.

It's a good question.

The pre-trib rapture teaches that all the saints will get their wings and be whisked away before the tribulation begins.  They believe they will not have to go through any hard trial when the FP comes with the Mark of the Beast because they simply will not be here.

The wrath of God is punishment onto the world for receiving the Mark of the Beast, and for all their atrocities against the Christ, the truth, and his holy ones.  This is the time when all the prayers of the saints will be answered, and vengeance will be taken upon the world for all their bad doings. 

The wrath on the world begins with the 7 angels, after the Mark of the Beast is issued and persecution of the saints begins, and will continue until the Coming. 

Guys, the New World Order Agenda will be put into action soon.  This means that we will witness the end time beast, and the False Prophet with all his miracles enter the world stage.  This man is Satan's son, the Son of Perdition, Satan's brainchild.  It is in Satan's heart to destroy all God's people first, and to take away our inheritance of everlasting life.  Satan can not force us to worship him, or his man, or his new system, but he will heavily persuade us to make a choice, by putting us into a corner.  Without the Mark of the Beast, we can not buy food, and will go hungry.  We will lose everything we own, and be given no rights.  This is the lure he uses for us to finally hand our soul over to him so that his system can provide our daily needs.

He who saves his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for Christ's sake will gain it.  Here is the faith and patience of the saints.

Beware of the trap set out before us.  If we have been feeding on the truth, we will not be taken by surprise, for the Lord has warned us that this evil time is coming and to be prepared always that in order to inherit the kingdom, we must suffer for Christ's sake. 

Many will ask why do we have to suffer?  It just doesn't seem fair does it?

The reason why we suffer, is because the devil hates all who forsake him, by turning to Christ and learning his ways.  He is fiercely angry that his prisoners have been set free out of his clutches, therefore his mission is to bring us back to him.  If we are following Christ's commandments, he can oppress, but not claim the soul.  Christ allows us to go through this little spiritual war to teach us self control and learn from our mistakes.  All that we have gone through is exercise of the spirit, and the spirit should grow more in knowledge and faith through experience and from knowing the scriptures.

Resist the devil and he will flee.  When we do this, problems become less and less, and slowly as we overcome the hurdles, which are the different sins in our life that we have overcome, more peace comes.,...however because this frustrates him terribly,..peace, faith and security,.... the hater of all good has one last trick up his sleeve.

This one last trick is one that we will have no control over.  If Satan takes away our ability to work and earn money to eat and have shelter, unless we conform to his system then he has got us cornered.  He will make an offer most difficult to refuse.  Most of us have never been in this situation before, poor,  hungry, crying children to feed, ....no electricity, no gas, no phone connection, no vehicle, no home, no govt assistance......  The world will see us as the scum of the earth.  People always look down on the poor and they will say "it's your own fault, just take the Mark and your hardships are over"  and they will also accuse us of child neglect, and we will be hated so much by the world, for the spirit of antichrist and evil will be at it's peak.

Many will fall, but hopefully not all of us who have been warned for what is coming and fully prepared that with the good, we must endure hard times also FOR CHRIST'S SAKE, not our own.

The devil can touch our lives, but he can never take our soul if we remain faithful to Christ.  We will refuse his system, which is his ultimate temptation  - the Mark of the Beast, and  pray we will stand for the Lord at all costs in order to preserve our souls.  Remember it is only for a short time, Christ knows it will be hard, therefore he has pre-warned us to build up the things which are weak, and to put him first at all costs.  Christ will send a little help to get through until this ordeal is over, and will consider it an honour to go through this for his sake. 

Nothing can be compared to the glory that Christ will reveal to his saints when he comes with his reward.

Lets keep our eyes on our true inheritance and not sell it as Esau did because he was hungry that day.

 

 Matthew 5:3   Blessed are the poor ...in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

 

[ForHisGlory37]

25 minutes ago, Sister said:

A question was asked in private "What is the difference between the Pre-trib and Wrath of God.

It's a good question.

The pre-trib rapture teaches that all the saints will get their wings and be whisked away before the tribulation begins.  They believe they will not have to go through any hard trial when the FP comes with the Mark of the Beast because they simply will not be here.

The wrath of God is punishment onto the world for receiving the Mark of the Beast, and for all their atrocities against the Christ, the truth, and his holy ones.  This is the time when all the prayers of the saints will be answered, and vengeance will be taken upon the world for all their bad doings. 

The wrath on the world begins with the 7 angels, after the Mark of the Beast is issued and persecution of the saints begins, and will continue until the Coming. 

Guys, the New World Order Agenda will be put into action soon.  This means that we will witness the end time beast, and the False Prophet with all his miracles enter the world stage.  This man is Satan's son, the Son of Perdition, Satan's brainchild.  It is in Satan's heart to destroy all God's people first, and to take away our inheritance of everlasting life.  Satan can not force us to worship him, or his man, or his new system, but he will heavily persuade us to make a choice, by putting us into a corner.  Without the Mark of the Beast, we can not buy food, and will go hungry.  We will lose everything we own, and be given no rights.  This is the lure he uses for us to finally hand our soul over to him so that his system can provide our daily needs.

He who saves his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for Christ's sake will gain it.  Here is the faith and patience of the saints.

Beware of the trap set out before us.  If we have been feeding on the truth, we will not be taken by surprise, for the Lord has warned us that this evil time is coming and to be prepared always that in order to inherit the kingdom, we must suffer for Christ's sake. 

Many will ask why do we have to suffer?  It just doesn't seem fair does it?

The reason why we suffer, is because the devil hates all who forsake him, by turning to Christ and learning his ways.  He is fiercely angry that his prisoners have been set free out of his clutches, therefore his mission is to bring us back to him.  If we are following Christ's commandments, he can oppress, but not claim the soul.  Christ allows us to go through this little spiritual war to teach us self control and learn from our mistakes.  All that we have gone through is exercise of the spirit, and the spirit should grow more in knowledge and faith through experience and from knowing the scriptures.

Resist the devil and he will flee.  When we do this, problems become less and less, and slowly as we overcome the hurdles, which are the different sins in our life that we have overcome, more peace comes.,...however because this frustrates him terribly,..peace, faith and security,.... the hater of all good has one last trick up his sleeve.

This one last trick is one that we will have no control over.  If Satan takes away our ability to work and earn money to eat and have shelter, unless we conform to his system then he has got us cornered.  He will make an offer most difficult to refuse.  Most of us have never been in this situation before, poor,  hungry, crying children to feed, ....no electricity, no gas, no phone connection, no vehicle, no home, no govt assistance......  The world will see us as the scum of the earth.  People always look down on the poor and they will say "it's your own fault, just take the Mark and your hardships are over"  and they will also accuse us of child neglect, and we will be hated so much by the world, for the spirit of antichrist and evil will be at it's peak.

Many will fall, but hopefully not all of us who have been warned for what is coming and fully prepared that with the good, we must endure hard times also FOR CHRIST'S SAKE, not our own.

The devil can touch our lives, but he can never take our soul if we remain faithful to Christ.  We will refuse his system, which is his ultimate temptation  - the Mark of the Beast, and  pray we will stand for the Lord at all costs in order to preserve our souls.  Remember it is only for a short time, Christ knows it will be hard, therefore he has pre-warned us to build up the things which are weak, and to put him first at all costs.  Christ will send a little help to get through until this ordeal is over, and will consider it an honour to go through this for his sake. 

Nothing can be compared to the glory that Christ will reveal to his saints when he comes with his reward.

Lets keep our eyes on our true inheritance and not sell it as Esau did because he was hungry that day.

 

 Matthew 5:3   Blessed are the poor ...in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

 

Amen Sister!!!  And it will be a testimony unto Jesus!  Yes, let us be like the wise virgins, buying gold (Holy Spirit) that we prepare ourselves spiritually for what is coming.  Some of us might also be led by the Spirit of God to prepare physically.  Joseph did this during the 7 years of plenty, so that when the famine hit, Joseph, his family, and the Egyptians did not starve. 

Noah prepared also, Hebrews 11: 7 by faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith. 

Genesis 14:14 And when Abram heard that his brother was taken captive, he armed his TRAINED SERVANTS, born in his own house, three hundred and eighteen, and pursued them unto Dan.  ( Abram wasn't just sitting around in his tent twiddling his thumbs.  He was always prepared and ready for battle.  So we too  must be prepared spiritually and physically as well for the coming tribulation and the testing of our faith whether we will take the MOB or stand firm, endure to the end, and remain faithful to our LORD JESUS!

We are in the last days, we are the last generation.  Get your households in order, get out of debt.  Pray and seek the Lord Jesus while there is still yet time and ask the Holy Spirit to guide you and where and what the Lord wants you to do. 

 

 

[Sister]

Amen ForHisGlory 37.

There is much that the mainstream media is not reporting.  Trump is taking down many corrupt, who are supporting the NWO.  This has put them into a corner.  They must act fast and attack before they all go down. 

The 70 yrs prophesied by Jeremiah in Chapter 25 about all the nations serving the King of Babylon for 70 yrs will be up soon.  That 70 yrs ends in May 14, 2018.  Anytime after this, we can expect to see the temple built for the FP to enter.  It will not go according to their plan, but will backfire.  Jerusalem will be trodden on by the gentiles, and it will be as in the days of Egypt for them, under hard bondage with a cruel king.  Not only Jerusalem but the whole world also.

The two witnesses will come and do as Moses and Aaron did, pleading for the king to let all God's people go.  The King will refuse, and the plagues will start on his whole kingdom.  Anyone found with his Mark and who worships the beast will receive the plagues.  There are no exceptions.

 

 

 

[ForHisGlory37]

3 minutes ago, Sister said:

Amen ForHisGlory 37.

There is much that the mainstream media is not reporting.  Trump is taking down many corrupt, who are supporting the NWO.  This has put them into a corner.  They must act fast and attack before they all go down. 

The 70 yrs prophesied by Jeremiah in Chapter 25 about all the nations serving the King of Babylon for 70 yrs will be up soon.  That 70 yrs ends in May 14, 2018.  Anytime after this, we can expect to see the temple built for the FP to enter.  It will not go according to their plan, but will backfire.  Jerusalem will be trodden on by the gentiles, and it will be as in the days of Egypt for them, under hard bondage with a cruel king.  Not only Jerusalem but the whole world also.

The two witnesses will come and do as Moses and Aaron did, pleading for the king to let all God's people go.  The King will refuse, and the plagues will start on his whole kingdom.  Anyone found with his Mark and who worships the beast will receive the plagues.  There are no exceptions.

 

 

 

Yes, the temple will be built soon and they have all the preparations ready.  We must sound the alarm!  Repent, for the Kingdom of God is at hand! 

No matter what, DO NOT TAKE THE MARK OF THE BEAST!!!  .... many Christians believe that it will be easy not to take the MOB.  Really?  What if you have small children or babies crying of starvation?  Do you think you will try and rationalize that God would understand because you were trying to feed your child?  NO!  This is the testing that will be upon the WHOLE EARTH.  Pray and seek the Lord, He will guide and tell you what He wants you to do.  Maybe move out of the cities?  Buy land?  Prepare?  Why?  because then you will be a blessing to others who did not heed the Lord in his warnings to get ready for the Beast system is already here.  It will be implemented soon. 

Get your households in order.  You don't need to waste your money on that bigger house.  You don't need to go on that vacation.  You don't need that bigger t.v., new version of smartphone, you don't need that nice car.  Prepare your spirit, buy yourselves gold,

◄ Revelation 3:18 ►

I counsel you to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that you may be rich; and white raiment, that you may be clothed, and that the shame of your nakedness do not appear; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see.

Again i say, Repent, for the Kingdom of God is at hand!!!

[Sister]

Yes it will not be easy,  but better off to be prepared with all scenarios which may occur.  It will be the hardest time of our lives.  Some will be shown mercy and given a little help.

The Lord is doing this for our sakes.  He has a kingdom awaiting us.  He has reserved thrones, and crowns, and white robes to be handed out.  God is gathering together for himself children who will fight for his kingdom and who will stand up against the enemy for the love of the truth.  God requires only the honourable for they have to be trusted to reign in righteousness, without hypocrisy, therefore the selection is very strict amongst his congregation.  Not any one can enter the kingdom,...no deniers allowed.  If we forsake him, he will forsake us and our places will be reserved for others to come. 

We are not entering into this blindly, for Christ the Word of God has taught us and given us all the tools in preparation for this day.  He has trained us to be loyal soldiers by exercising the spirit day and night.  If we have drifted away from him and have fallen asleep, he is waking us up NOW.  The alarm clock has gone off.  Time to get dressed and put our armour on.  The enemy is approaching fast.  Keep watch, and keep feeding the soul with the bread that comes from heaven, lest the enemy break in.  Lock all the doors and strengthen all the things that are weak.

 

 

 

[Sister]

Question:  Can we be tricked into taking  the mark of the beast?

Yes if we are not careful.

I believe the Mark of the Beast is the RFID chip, because this is something that can be inserted into the hand or forehead just under the skin.

Revelation 13:16   And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

The RFID chip will hold all our personal data, and will replace cash and plastic cards.  We will all be given a personal ID no, and this number will be used for our internet transactions also.

We must be on the system to receive this I.D number.  If not, no I.D is given.  No I.D, = no transactions of any kind.  No medical assistance, no dentist, no job applications, no bank account, ....nothing.

Some churches are already preaching that the Mark of the Beast is not physical, but a "spiritual" state of worship.  I have heard some say that worship of the beast depends on whether you "work" on a sabbath or not, and that the right hand represents "work", and the forehead "worship".  It's just spiritual worship.

This does not make sense, because no man can buy or sell without the mark ....any day.   They can still buy and sell.

So there will be many churches denying that the Mark of the Beast is actually what it is.  There will be all sorts of lies coming out.

Some other churches will also preach that God does not want us to suffer, so it's ok to take the chip, but they will not admit it is the Mark of the Beast.

I can think of another scenario, .....your child or spouse needs an urgent operation to save their life, and you have to sign to give permission.  But hang on, there's a problem, your name is not on the system and you are the only one that can give permission.  It's ok, don't worry, we have a doctor on hand that can issue you your new I.D no, right now.  It will only take a sec, and we can do your child straight away too, or we can't operate.

 

 

 

 

 

[Daniel 11:36]

Revelation 3:10

[Sister]

 Revelation 3:10   Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

 

Temptation is put before us to make us fall.  It's the devils lure.  Those not strong in the faith, and those not aware, succumb to his devices.  They are easy prey for him.

But for those who have been fed by the Lamb, and strong in the faith, it is not a temptation, but an abhorrence.

See the difference?

Knowing the difference between good and evil is what delivers men from giving in to temptation.  They are kept safe because they are fed and won't take the bait.

 

[ForHisGlory37]

16 hours ago, Sister said:

Question:  Can we be tricked into taking  the mark of the beast?

Yes if we are not careful.

I believe the Mark of the Beast is the RFID chip, because this is something that can be inserted into the hand or forehead just under the skin.

Revelation 13:16   And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

The RFID chip will hold all our personal data, and will replace cash and plastic cards.  We will all be given a personal ID no, and this number will be used for our internet transactions also.

We must be on the system to receive this I.D number.  If not, no I.D is given.  No I.D, = no transactions of any kind.  No medical assistance, no dentist, no job applications, no bank account, ....nothing.

Some churches are already preaching that the Mark of the Beast is not physical, but a "spiritual" state of worship.  I have heard some say that worship of the beast depends on whether you "work" on a sabbath or not, and that the right hand represents "work", and the forehead "worship".  It's just spiritual worship.

This does not make sense, because no man can buy or sell without the mark ....any day.   They can still buy and sell.

So there will be many churches denying that the Mark of the Beast is actually what it is.  There will be all sorts of lies coming out.

Some other churches will also preach that God does not want us to suffer, so it's ok to take the chip, but they will not admit it is the Mark of the Beast.

I can think of another scenario, .....your child or spouse needs an urgent operation to save their life, and you have to sign to give permission.  But hang on, there's a problem, your name is not on the system and you are the only one that can give permission.  It's ok, don't worry, we have a doctor on hand that can issue you your new I.D no, right now.  It will only take a sec, and we can do your child straight away too, or we can't operate.

 

 

 

 

 

Sister, are you thinking "tricked" in the sense that they think it will be implemented without their knowledge?  I think we will be given a choice, just like God's gift of free will.  I think they might be "tricked" into it by saying it will make your life easier, no more identity theft, or being told it really isn't the MOB. 

Revelation 3:10 says it will try all, the whole earth.  This is the testing, to be obedient to God or not.  This is where God is drawing the line, make a choice, stand strong in our faith in Jesus or give up and take the MOB trying to save themselves. 

We gotta continue to preach the Word of truth!  Tribulation is coming!  Be ready!  Not get ready, BE READY!   Jesus is coming!  The King is Coming! 

[Justin Adams]

To answer the OP. The Wrath is from Yahweh to man. The Tribulation is from man to man.
The Wrath comes just as the end curtain is falling and evil is reaped and the saints gathered to meet the Lord.
Then they return after the Heavenly Host have done their work. They go to the Mount of Olives.
Harmonizing the end time scenarios makes far more sense than splitting them up into various separate events. 

As to the second beast - we are fairly sure of the first, so maybe the second rises from the 'ashes' of the first. It does seem to be going that way as Rome and the UN have both sided with most nations to oppose Israel in their latest edicts. They are looking to chop up Israel's territories and the only hindrance to that work is the USA. The USA stands in their path; so if the USA can be somehow neutralized, they will have carte blanc.

The only real way to destroy a nation is to cause division from within and utter moral decay. Decadence has been the downfall of most worldly powers in the past. The USA is headed down that slippery slope right now. Even Putin has said that we pass more depraved laws than the Soviets.

Yes the heavenly 'mark' or seal is upon the true believers - No it is not by man's doctrines that anyone is 'saved' or sealed, but by their personal  witness and lifestyle and their heart towards Yahweh and what He says to do. The Spirit of Prophesy is from Yeshua.

The so-called beast mark will not be as anyone could remotely imagine today. It will all be a huge surprise. Bells and whistles and great shows of power that 'the man of sin' or whomever is the voice of that entity uses will shock the world into submission.

Depending on how you read Daniel, you will relate as to how you live your life now to some extent. If you believe that a third temple has to be built this side of the Second coming, then you will also be waiting for other events that might not be going to happen as expected.
Be very, very sure what you believe as there is much disinformation floating around.

If you mostly rely on The Revelations' prophesies for current day and future near events, then you might be prepared for a slightly different scenario than the Daniel adherents.

Just remember Yeshua's words. 'Those that seek to save their lives will loose them'.

Edited December 26, 2017 by Justin Adams