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Dosent god forgive us

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2 minutes ago, walken666 said:

Dosent god forgive us

God forgives those who place their trust in the work of His Son, Jesus, for their salvation, and who seek to do His will. So, it depends on who the "us" is.

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Sin has a high price. Higher than anyone can pay. Except the second Adam (Jesus Christ) could and did pay the price for all sinners.

Now we all have that forgiveness you asked about PREPAID. But we cannot access it without faith in him who prepaid it with the sacrifice of his own life.

You've had a credit card, no doubt, that was yours but it was useless until you activated it.

Belief / faith in Jesus Christ activates God's forgiveness for each of us.

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There are many Gods, and many religions. 

Every religion has it's own way of how to attain forgiveness. 

Every coulture has its own way how to attain forgiveness. 

People of any kind of faith and or coulture can do what is asked from them and as a result feel forgivenen. 

On the other hand we may have been forgiven but we don't feel that we are forgiven. 

Jesus had to say this to people who had follow and do what they were told, according to the law of Moses,  and in their right they could boast that they were forgiven. 

He said to them :  if you don't believe in me, you are in your sins. 

Those who heard him at that time they must have been puzle. 

To give a litle context some or most of the people who heard him were devoted in the law of Moses, they kept the Sabath, they kept the Holidays, partake in the Atonement, and kept them selfs for sining. 

As we can see those people were blameless, even thought Jesus said to them "if you don't believe in me you are in your sins". 

(At that time Jesus had not died yet, and was not raise from the dead), just to be politically correct. 

To ask your question, because it is simple yet complicated. 

If we believe in Jesus we are not in our sins, we are not lost, we are not going to Hell, we are redeemed, we are under the blood of Jesus. 

To understand Jesus, he was telling them, that he is not ignorant, why they believe that they were not in sin, but he was telling them that they were not redeemed. 

About the very specific situations of our own , they are many variables to considered, our mind set, our consiense which changes and can become very sensitive, but sensitive does not mean healthy, and we end up to beat our selfs, for things we have done with another mind set and a different consiousness even needs, for what ever reason. 

I believe that Jesus is interested in developing us and I say that without judging, even to comfort us , but what can and we can do after we are enlightened. 

 

 

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On 12/25/2017 at 10:29 PM, walken said:

Dosent god forgive us

Absolutely. If you accept that you are a sinner who cannot save yourself, and accept Jesus Christ and His sacrifice on the cross as the only path to salvation then He forgives and wipes the slate clean. 

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On 12/25/2017 at 9:29 PM, walken said:

Dosent god forgive us

There is only, one mediator between God and man, the man Jesus Christ who died for us and is raised from the dead, and ascended in Heaven and sitted on the Throne of Heaven. 

Jesus Christ who did not need a mediator for himself, because he was never seperated from God, been the second Adam, the Christ of God, the Son of God. He was not from the fallen human seed. 

He is the one who died for our sins, he has put our sins away, he is not holding our sins against us, but we need to believe in him to be under the blood of his redemption and to have the eternal life, the eternal life is to believe in Jesus Christ, everyone who believes has the eternal life, even if he, or she does not live in the eternal life, even if someone abides in disobedience. 

That effects many things, but not the right standind of the believer the one who is by faith righteous in the name of Jesus Christ. 

This is the love of God, to sent his Son Jesus Christ to die for us, so we live our lives without the fear of death, because we have a right standing in his name. 

If anyone attempts to judge someone to Hell, by considering the way he, or she lives , they must have forgotten that we only accepted in Heaven because of the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ. 

Hope that every believer comes to understand the value of repentance, and seek to live in righteousness which produces the fruits of righteousness in our lives. 

Anyway our life is ours, it is up to us how we live it, but it is not all the time up to us, but we can always try. 

To live a repented life is good for many reasons, but Not to do it to avoid Hell, because we are not going to Hell as believers in Jesus Christ. 

Everything is possible with Jesus Christ, he can bless and protect everyone in any situation, even unbelievers, and that what he wants us to do, to help everyone even unbelievers, thanks for that even our governments help anyone in catrastrofic events regardless of their religion. 

As Jesus said God decires everyone to live so will have the change, even the repeated change to come to the faith of Jesus Christ. 

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