Daniel 11:36 Posted January 2, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,957 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 295 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted January 2, 2018 The Olivet Discourse is the Lord essentially speaking to Israel of the 1st century and to those during the coming tribulation period .... not to the pre-tribultion immortals You need more study time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus O'Reillius Posted January 3, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,050 Content Per Day: 0.36 Reputation: 632 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/29/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted January 3, 2018 Oh really? (My last name: O'Reillius) The Olivet Discourse is addressed only to 1st century Israel? Then why is Jesus' audience the very nexus of the Church. Who needs more study? You should never let your eschatology determine your theology. The book of Matthew is centered around five major discourses by Jesus, and only the last one - where He answers when He will come again - doesn't pertain to us -- according to you. And according to you -- Matthew's use of "elect" for whom is gathered up - is not defined as it is everywhere else in the New Testament - and Matthew was probably written after the Jewish Disciples of Jesus saw that the Holy Spirit was opened up to Gentiles too, as it was in Antioch. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel 11:36 Posted January 3, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,957 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 295 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) "The Olivet Discourse is addressed only to 1st century Israel?" .... and specifically to Israel during the 70th week decreed for the nation which is still pending at this time Edited January 3, 2018 by Daniel 11:36 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted January 3, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 26 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,602 Content Per Day: 4.02 Reputation: 7,795 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted January 3, 2018 9 minutes ago, Daniel 11:36 said: "The Olivet Discourse is addressed only to 1st century Israel?" .... and specifically to Israel during the 70th week decreed for the nation which is still pending at this time Sorry, but that is wrong. Even without the below quotes, it is obvious that the scriptures are for all of us. There is no Jew or Greek etc., but all are of one Body in Yeshua Messiah. To teach otherwise is contrary to the repeated messages of the Gospel to ALL believers. ALL BELIEVERS are Christ's. Part of the argument of those who wish to exclude Jesus' teaching from the discussion of the church and our future is that Matthew is the gospel written to the Jews. The purpose of Matthew's gospel is to prove to the Jews that Jesus is their promised Messiah. Thus, certain things in Matthew are "Jewish" and not intended for the Church, such as chapter 24. The problem with this line of arguing is that the Olivet Discourse of Christ is included in both Luke's and Mark's gospel (Luke 21, Mark 13), which all scholars agree were written for a gentile audience. If this teaching was only for the Jews and about Israel's future, then why include it in these other gospels? http://www.solagroup.org/articles/endtimes/ep_0009.html 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Marv Posted January 3, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,131 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 1,090 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted January 3, 2018 It all depends when All Believers become Believers. O.T. saints became Believers when Christ went into Paradise. All Israel will believe when they see Him at the 2nd Coming. In Christ Montana Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel 11:36 Posted January 3, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,957 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 295 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) "Sorry, but that is wrong. Even without the below quotes, it is obvious that the scriptures are for all of us. There is no Jew or Greek etc., but all are of one Body in Yeshua Messiah. To teach otherwise is contrary to the repeated messages of the Gospel to ALL believers. ALL BELIEVERS are Christ's" Of course the scriptures are for all of us to read, however His discourse is about Israel in the coming tribulation period Your interpretation is false and misleading .... study your Bible "all are of one Body in Yeshua Messiah" I see by your statement here that you are not following Jesus Christ Edited January 3, 2018 by Daniel 11:36 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted March 29, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 26 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,602 Content Per Day: 4.02 Reputation: 7,795 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted March 29, 2018 (edited) No matter how hard I study, I still cannot come up with the errors I read here. I will even study some more I guess - maybe squeeze the scriptures until recognizable to those that like to tell others they are not Christians for not understanding an unprovable and distorted view. If your views go against the actual scriptures, and if you must demean others for not holding to your opinions, then perhaps your methods are better suited to the inquisitions of past ages. Dangerous. Edited March 30, 2018 by Justin Adams 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel 11:36 Posted March 29, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,957 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 295 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted March 29, 2018 "Sorry, but that is wrong. Even without the below quotes, it is obvious that the scriptures are for all of us" Not in the case of the Lord's discourse which specifically is written to Israel during the 70th week decreed still to come And this includes both Mark 13 and Luke 21 The scriptures are for all to read, but these scriptures are specifically given to Israel during the coming tribulation period Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diaste Posted June 4, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 66 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,599 Content Per Day: 2.00 Reputation: 2,355 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/17/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted June 4, 2018 On 3/29/2018 at 3:53 AM, Justin Adams said: No matter how hard I study, I still cannot come up with the errors I read here. I will even study some more I guess - maybe squeeze the scriptures until recognizable to those that like to tell others they are not Christians for not understanding an unprovable and distorted view. If your views go against the actual scriptures, and if you must demean others for not holding to your opinions, then perhaps your methods are better suited to the inquisitions of past ages. Dangerous. Hey, Have read Dan 11:36 lately? That will tell all ya need to know about Daniel11:36. Peace. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel 11:36 Posted June 4, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,957 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 295 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted June 4, 2018 What about you Diaste? Read your Bible son Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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