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What are the prophetic order of events until the end of this age ?

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Hi Quasar,

whether you answer me or not, I will still write concerning what you have written. Now as I have said before I do respect you as a great teacher in the Lord and one who has stood firm for the faith over many years. May God continue to bless you bro.

Now as you know I was taught differently on this important point, and as it concerns our belief in our future destiny and to some extent what we believe of the Lord, then to me, this is very, very important.

 You wrote -

`First, Israel is the wife of Jehovah (Isa 54) while the church is the bride of Christ (Eph 5:22-33). Second, Israel gave birth to Christ (Rev 12:1-5) whereas Christ gave birth to the church (Matt 16:18).  Since Jesus is not yet married, He has no "wife."`

Immediately I think of -

1.  `Therefore, in the resurrection, when they rise, whose wife will she be? For all seven had her as wife." Jesus answered and said to them, "Are you not therefore mistaken, because you DO NOT KNOW THE SCRIPTURES NOR THE POWER OF GOD? For when they rise from the dead they neither marry nor are given in marriage, BUT ARE LIKE THE ANGELS IN HEAVEN.` (Mark 12: 23 - 25)

So are we to believe that no one will marry in heaven EXCEPT Jesus? And if we are supposed to marry Him then that is against God`s word - `neither marry nor are given in marriage.`  Someone might say -"Oh that means spiritually." Well that is just like the Mormon`s thinking.

 

2. Also - You are saying that God the Father has a wife, (!!!!!!) and Jesus has one too,(!!!!) Utterly preposterous. A lie from the pit, earthly, sensual and demonic. (James 3: 15) This is NOT the wisdom of God.

When God the Father and His Son and His Holy Spirit, made the nation of Israel, they, (the 3 of them) said that they `were their master, owner & Lord.` That is the meaning of `marriage` in relation to God  -  Heb. word `ba al` meaning master, owner, Lord. Nothing like the nonsense that has been taught of marriage like Jewish custom etc. That is earthly thinking.

And when God the Father gave the Son the Holy Spirit to initiate His Body, (of Christ) there is NO sense of a marriage, but of a Head and a Body. That is as close as you can get.

Once you start saying the Father has a wife and Jesus has a bride you are getting like the extreme Catholics where Mary is the wife of the Father producing the Son, and then she is the Queen of Heaven next to the Son who is King. Incest and wicked nonsense.

Lord save us from this wicked lie from the pit. Help us to see you in all your glory and not in earthly terms.

Marilyn.

 

 

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Just now, ENOCH2010 said:

The church is grafted into Israel, not 2 separate trees.

The  Church is grafted into the Vine which is Jesus Christ. How can the Church be grafted into Israel when they have already been pulled out.

In Christ

Montana Marv

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4 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

The  Church is grafted into the Vine which is Jesus Christ. How can the Church be grafted into Israel when they have already been pulled out.

In Christ

Montana Marv

That's another fault with the pre-trib doctrine, you have to separate Israel and the church for your doctrine to survive. I think the Bible says for you not to boast or you could be cut off. 

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1 hour ago, ENOCH2010 said:

That's another fault with the pre-trib doctrine, you have to separate Israel and the church for your doctrine to survive. I think the Bible says for you not to boast or you could be cut off. 

Yes the Church being United with Israel is a Post Trib ploy to verify their undocumented position. Remember at the 5th Trumpet all mankind are worshipping demons and idols. What say you.

In Christ

Montana Marv

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18 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

Yes the Church being United with Israel is a Post Trib ploy to verify their undocumented position. Remember at the 5th Trumpet all mankind are worshipping demons and idols. What say you.

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

Here is the 5th trumpet, please tell us where in here you find support for your claim that "all mankind are worshipping demons and idols."

 

Revelation 9  

And the fifth angel blew his trumpet, and I saw a star fallen from heaven to earth, and he was given the key to the shaft of the bottomless pit. 2 He opened the shaft of the bottomless pit, and from the shaft rose smoke like the smoke of a great furnace, and the sun and the air were darkened with the smoke from the shaft. 3 Then from the smoke came locusts on the earth, and they were given power like the power of scorpions of the earth. 4 They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any green plant or any tree, but only those people who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads. 5 They were allowed to torment them for five months, but not to kill them, and their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it stings someone. 6 And in those days people will seek death and will not find it. They will long to die, but death will flee from them.

7 In appearance the locusts were like horses prepared for battle: on their heads were what looked like crowns of gold; their faces were like human faces, 8 their hair like women's hair, and their teeth like lions' teeth;9 they had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the noise of their wings was like the noise of many chariots with horses rushing into battle. 10 They have tails and stings like scorpions, and their power to hurt people for five months is in their tails. 11 They have as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit. His name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek he is called Apollyon.

12 The first woe has passed; behold, two woes are still to come.

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2 minutes ago, wingnut- said:

 

Here is the 5th trumpet, please tell us where in here you find support for your claim that "all mankind are worshipping demons and idols."

 

Revelation 9  

And the fifth angel blew his trumpet, and I saw a star fallen from heaven to earth, and he was given the key to the shaft of the bottomless pit. 2 He opened the shaft of the bottomless pit, and from the shaft rose smoke like the smoke of a great furnace, and the sun and the air were darkened with the smoke from the shaft. 3 Then from the smoke came locusts on the earth, and they were given power like the power of scorpions of the earth. 4 They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any green plant or any tree, but only those people who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads. 5 They were allowed to torment them for five months, but not to kill them, and their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it stings someone. 6 And in those days people will seek death and will not find it. They will long to die, but death will flee from them.

7 In appearance the locusts were like horses prepared for battle: on their heads were what looked like crowns of gold; their faces were like human faces, 8 their hair like women's hair, and their teeth like lions' teeth;9 they had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the noise of their wings was like the noise of many chariots with horses rushing into battle. 10 They have tails and stings like scorpions, and their power to hurt people for five months is in their tails. 11 They have as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit. His name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek he is called Apollyon.

12 The first woe has passed; behold, two woes are still to come.

 Sorry

The plague of fire smoke and sulphur which came out of the horses mouths. One third of mankind were killed by these three plagues. The rest of mankind did not stop worshipping demons and idols.

In Christ

Montana Marv

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12 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

 Sorry

The plague of fire smoke and sulphur which came out of the horses mouths. One third of mankind were killed by these three plagues. The rest of mankind did not stop worshipping demons and idols.

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

No problem, I just wasn't seeing what you meant.  You're referring to the 6th trumpet, and though I am not a post-tribber, this is how, or I guess when I see the 6th trumpet in sequence.  I see the final events happening at the very end, post rapture, within the final hour as described in the fall of Babylon.  So I agree that no believers are left at that point as well.

God bless

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On 12/29/2017 at 12:58 AM, Quasar93 said:

What are the prophetic order of events until the end of this age ?
 
1. The present day population has now reached the 7 billion mark and will continue counting rapidly from this point on.

2.  People will not only continue being born into the present population, but will also continue to die.  Those who die are relegated to two places:

A. All those of us who are believers in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will go to be with Him spiritually, immediately following their physical death, according to Ecc.12:7; 2 Cor.5:6-8; Phil.1:21-23; Jn.3:16 and Jn.10:27-29.  

B.  All those who do not believe in Jesus Christ will go to Sheol/Hades/Hell, spiritually, immediately following their physical death, according to Mt.25:41, 46; Lk.16:19-23; Jn.3:18 and Jn.5:28-29.

C.  "Jesus answered, 'I am the way and the truth and the life.  No one comes to the Father except through me.'"  Jn.14:6.

3.  The very next prophetic event according to the Scriptures will be the appearance of the Lord Jesus in the air, when all of us who belong to Him, His Church, will be caught up together in the clouds to meet Him there according to Jn.14:1-4, 28; 1 Thes.4:13-18 and 2 Thes.2:1-8, from where He will take us to our Father in heaven, before the 7 year tribulation begins.     

4.  The beast/antichrist, also known as the man of lawlessness and all three of the "he's" of Dan.9:27, whom Satan will give his throne, power and great authority to, will then be revealed, according to 2 Thes.2:3-4, 7-8; Rev.6:2 and Rev.13:1-2.  Who is the trigger of the seven year tribulation, also known as the Day of the Lord and the 70th and final week [7 years] of God's decree upon the destiny of Israel.

5.  A seven year period of time will take place at that time, as described in 4. above, called the TRIBULATION.  At the mid-point, or the middle of the week [a 7 year Hebrew period of time], after 3.5 years have taken place, the beast/antichrist, the three "he's" of Dan.9:27, will set up an abomination of desolation in God's temple, confirmed in 2 Thes.2:4.  The final 3.5 years of the 7 year tribulation are called the GREAT TRIBULATION.  Which Jesus confirmed in Mt.24:15: "For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now - and never to be equalled again," in Mt.24:21. 

6.  Many terrible judgements are prophecied, of God's wrath, during the coming 7 years of tribulation, expressed in the 7 seals, the 7 trumpets and the 7 bowls, recorded in Rev.6:1 through Rev.18:24.  Immediately followed by the marriage of the Lamb [Jesus] to His Bride [The Church] in heaven, in Rev.19:7-8.  Where they have been since Rev.4:1-2, where the apostle John symbolizes the Church being caught up to meet Jesus in the clouds of the sky, as recorded in 1 Thes.4:17.  When He will take everyone who believe in Him, to our Father in heaven before the 7 year tribulation begins, according to 2 Thes.2:1-3, as He promised in Jn.14:2-4 and 28.

7.  Immediately after the marriage of the Lamb to His Bride, in Rev.19:7-8, Jesus returns in His second advent to the earth, with His angels, according to Mt.24:31, and all His saints [Church], following Him in His armies from heaven.  Riding on white horses, dressed in fine linen, [which stands for the righteous acts of the saints] white and clean, recorded in Rev.19:14.  See also Zech.14:4-5 and Jude 14.

8.  When Jesus returns to the earth in His second advent, with His angels and saints, the Church, with indestructable, glorified bodies, He will lead us into the battle of Armageddon, against the two beasts, the antichrist and the false prophet together with the ten horns [nations] allied to them.  They have Israel under seige as described in Zech.14:1-6.  Jesus and His armies from heaven will free Israel from the seige and they will finally recognize Him as their Messiah, according to Zech.12:10.  When all Israel will be saved, though only one third of the original population will survive, as seen in Zech.13:8, fulfilling Rom.11:26, as well as Jn.10:16.  When the two sheep folds of Jesus, Israel and the Church, become one, with one Shepherd.  The two beasts, the antichrist and the false prophet are thrown into the lake of fire forever, and the armies of the ten horns [nations] will be   destroyed, according to Rev.19:17-20, and the battle of Armageddon is over, ending the 7 years of tribulation.

9. Satan will then be thrown into the Abyss, chained and locked up for 1,000 years, recorded in Rev.20:1-3, concurrent with the 1,000 years Jesus will reign in His kingdom here on earth.  

10.  The first resurrection will then take place of all the martyred saints, first seen in the parenthetic Rev.7:9-17, who had been brought to the Lord during the tribulation, by the 144,000 Israelite evangelists God will place here on the earth, found in Rev.7:1-8.   Who will preach the eternal Gospel to all those left here on the earth in the absence of the Church Jesus will took with Him to heaven before the 7 year tribulation begins, as addressed previously in 3. above.  In the same way He will send His two witnesses from heaven, Moses and Elijah, in Rev.11:3-6.  All those who participate in the first resurrection will be made priests of God and of Christ and rule with Him for 1,000 years, recorded in Rev.20:4 and 6, in the millennial kingdom of Christ on earth.

11.  Jesus will establish His Millennial kingdom at this time, build a new temple of the Lord, according to Zech.6:12-13, and He will sit on His throne as both King and Priest.  His kingdom will be populated by all those resurrected martyrs from the tribulation, as well as those who survived  alive from it, both Jews and Gentiles alike.  From an estimated population of 7 billion people at the start of the 7 year tribulation, only one third will survive, according to Zech.13:8., or about 2.33 billion people.  Many of whom will be unregenrated non-believers, even after the tribulation and of God's wrath.

12.  During Jesus 1,000 year reign, life will continue much the same as it does now, such as marriages, births and deaths, though life expectancy will be greatly increased.  According to Isa.65:20, "...an old man who does not live out his years, he who dies at a hundred will be thought a mere youth...even considered to be accursed.  But there will be many saved during this period of 1,000 years of peace on earth, with the presence of Jesus Himself on earth as well as all the priests from the first resurrection.

13.  Satan will be released from the Abyss at the end of the 1,000 years he will be locked up there, and will once again go out to deceive people and the nations, recorded in Rev.20:1-3.  He will generate an army numbering as the sands of the sea, from all over the world to bring up against God's people around Jerusalem.  But God will send fire and sulfur down from heaven destroying his army, and Satan will be thrown into the lake of fire, where the antichrist and the false prophet were thrown 1,000 ears before, in Rev.19:20, where he will be tormented day and night, for ever and ever.

14.  [Keep in mind, this is all a prophecy of things yet to take place - where the language of it seems as though it is either in the present tense or has already taken place]. The Great White Throne judgement will take place at the end of Jesus Millennial reign here on earth, according to Rev.20:11-15, with the second resurrection taking place, as recorded in Rev.20:5, when Dan.12:2; Mt.25:4, 46 and Jn.5:28-29 will be fulfilled.  Some to eternal life and others to eternal shame and condemnation.  Earth and sky fled from His presence and there was no place for them.  And the dead were standing before the throne, great and small and books were opened.  Then the book of life was opened and the dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.  The sea gave up the dead that were in it and death and Sheol/Hades/Hell gave up the dead that were in them and each person was judged according to what he had done.  Death, Sheol/Hades/Hell were thrown into the lake of fire.  The lake of fire is the second death; physical death is the first and spiritual death is the second.  If anyones name is not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

15.  Then the present heaven and earth will pass away, destroyed by fire, according to 2 Pet.3:7 and Rev.21:1, and God will provide a new heaven and earth, without any oceans.  The new Jerusalem will come down from God in heaven, which is His house in which there are many mansions for all of us who belong to Christ to live in.  It is 1,500 miles long, 1,500 miles wide and 1,500 miles high.  There are many other awesome attributes revealed in the rest of Rev.21 ans 22.  This is the new eternal heaven and earth Jesus promised us in Jn.3:16 and in Jn.14:1-4 where where Almighty God and the Lamb [Jesus] will live among us throughout all eternity.


Even so, come, Lord Jesus!                     



Quasar93

Where do you fit Daniel 8 in your chronological order?

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8 hours ago, Devarim said:

Where do you fit Daniel 8 in your chronological order?

 

What about Dan.8?  What s in it you think has been left out, in my chronological order of end time events?

 

Quasar93

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