Justice_League Posted January 16, 2018 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 112 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 30 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/23/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) 12 hours ago, OldSchool2 said: Isn't that the position of Scientology on all psychiatry? I wouldn’t know. I’m not a Scientologist and have never really studied many of their positions on anything. I do know that just because someone has a PhD behind their name doesn’t automatically mean that their words and opinions represent the truth. Even if they did, I definitely wouldn’t trust the opinion of someone who had never met and evaluated their patient in person. The fact that they would even try to make a diagnosis under those circumstances renders that PhD pretty meaningless in my eyes. Edited January 16, 2018 by Justice_League Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 52 minutes ago, OldSchool2 said: Au contraire, I was a medical technologist in toxicology at Yale for years and my sister is a nurse. And according to D.r Lee, forensic assessments are not a diagnosis. If you are going to declare someone mentally unfit, you need a real diagnosis. That is no small claim to make and frankly, if it is not true, she could be opening herself up to a slander suit. It appears she is calling him unfit mentally based on nothing that's really substantial. Just watching someone on TV is not good enough and to make an assessment off of TV isn't very professional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Davida said: Ya and not just meaningless to give an opinion on someone that you've never personally seen but it's got a 99.99999 % chance that these comments by these Psychiatrists was a totally politically driven opinion. Yep, that is all this is: Politics. The Dems found a psychiatrist they could probably pay off to make unfounded claims based on exactly zero contact with a man she has never met face to face. She makes her unsubstantiated claims based on what she saw on TV and then she is trotted out by the Dems to make those claims. This is nothing but theater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSchool2 Posted January 16, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 701 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,511 Content Per Day: 1.35 Reputation: 1,759 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/16/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/18/1955 Share Posted January 16, 2018 13 hours ago, shiloh357 said: If you are going to declare someone mentally unfit, you need a real diagnosis.... Neither of us are forensic psychologists, but those who are say assessments are not a diagnosis -- it's their job to assess and Prez Trump has given them more than enough material to draw conclusions from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 3 hours ago, OldSchool2 said: Neither of us are forensic psychologists, but those who are say assessments are not a diagnosis The fact is that you would not submit to claim that you are mentally ill by a doctor that has not examined you. You would not tolerate the very thing you want to inflict on President Trump. There is no evidence of mental illness in Trump. In fact, there is far more evidence that he is quite intelligent and in full control of his faculties. History over the last 12 months has pretty much put anti-Trumpism/never Trumpism to sleep. Quote -- it's their job to assess and Prez Trump has given them more than enough material to draw conclusions from. It is not Lee's job to assess Trump. She is not working for him or for the administration. She is not qualified to declare him mentally unfit without actually examining him. She is not qualified to do the same thing to you, without examining you, either. So, you are barking up the wrong tree. Your argument is patently ridiculous and really can't be taken seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 29 minutes ago, Davida said: It is really ludicrous , media clips are invalid for any professional assessment. No credible Psychiatrist would comment let alone assess or diagnose & then discuss publically without even meeting their patient. Only individuals lacking ethics who seek Celebrity & have Political agenda would do so. They have embarrassed their profession. Lee does lack ethics in that she is allowing herself to be used as a political tool by the Left. Her personal politics against Trump are fueling her claims. She is unprofessional and probably needs to have her license pulled for this kind of unethical behavior. Her actions are a reproach to the profession of psychiatry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 3 hours ago, OldSchool2 said: Neither of us are forensic psychologists, but those who are say assessments are not a diagnosis -- it's their job to assess and Prez Trump has given them more than enough material to draw conclusions from. It is also important to point out that even "assessments" require personal, face-to-face examinations. You cannot assess a health issue by watching someone on TV. That would be just ridiculous and unprofessional as trying to make a health diagnosis without examinations. Lee cannot assess Trump by simply watching him on TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSchool2 Posted January 16, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 701 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,511 Content Per Day: 1.35 Reputation: 1,759 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/16/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/18/1955 Share Posted January 16, 2018 4 hours ago, shiloh357 said: It is also important to point out that even "assessments" require personal, face-to-face examinations. You cannot assess a health issue by watching someone on TV.... I am not a forensic psychiatrist, and neither are you. But Dr. Lee is, and she has a wealth of material to make assessments from as Trump can't stop tweeting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSchool2 Posted January 16, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 701 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,511 Content Per Day: 1.35 Reputation: 1,759 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/16/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/18/1955 Share Posted January 16, 2018 7 hours ago, Davida said: It is really ludicrous , media clips are invalid for any professional assessment. No credible Psychiatrist would comment let alone assess or diagnose & then discuss publically without even meeting their patient. Only individuals lacking ethics who seek Celebrity & have Political agenda would do so.... The only person who has been proven to seek celebrity status is Donald Trump on his own "Celebrity Apprentice" episodes. And there is a wealth of information on Donald Trump, from his interviews with Howard Stern to his various biographies as well as the History Channel's "The Making of Trump." http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5239180/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_S Posted January 16, 2018 Group: Servant Followers: 25 Topic Count: 275 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 5,208 Content Per Day: 1.00 Reputation: 1,893 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/02/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted January 16, 2018 16 minutes ago, OldSchool2 said: The only person who has been proven to seek celebrity status is Donald Trump on his own "Celebrity Apprentice" episodes. And there is a wealth of information on Donald Trump, from his interviews with Howard Stern to his various biographies as well as the History Channel's "The Making of Trump." http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5239180/ I think the key here is that the professional standards, agreed to by those within the profession, dictate that one not make diagnoses of public figures in a public way. Openly defying professional standards in such a way, in any field, would nullify a person's qualifications to speak on something such as this. If they were qualified and following the ethical guidelines of their profession, they would not be doing it in the first place. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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