White House doctor: Trump in 'excellent health'

[Steve_S]

3 hours ago, OldSchool2 said:

After decades of his past printed in the NY papers, Donald Trump was hardly invisible to anyone with eyes to see.

No one said he was invisible, just that a person's public image does not tell the whole tale of their personality. You cannot make a personality assessment of someone based on what is in the news. As I said, to think so is absolutely absurd. Any lay person can see such a thing and the professional association this woman belongs to agrees, as they consider it wrong to make assessments of public figures based on what is in the public record.

3 hours ago, OldSchool2 said:

And was it reasonable for the highest legislative body in the land to host what you are calling an unprofessional act by Dr. Lee, who along with her Yale colleagues still have their respective licenses to practice forensic medicine? Why hasn't the American Psychiatric Association and the Connecticut state licensing board decisively intervened after Dr. Lee presented her published case before Congress?

Firstly, I don't know what the American Psychiatric Association isn't acting on it. If they are, we likely would not know about it, because bodies like that tend to take their time and investigate any charges brought against a person and such a thing likely wouldn't be made public until their findings were completed.

However, the man who was the head of the American Psychiatric Association from 2013 to 2014 - Jeffrey Lieberman, M.D. (he is also the chairman of psychiatry at the medical school of Columbia University and headed the largest study ever undertaken on schizophrenia's diagnosis and treatment) had this to say:

"To take clinical potshots and lob diagnostic grenades at the POTUS through the media is not the optimal course of action. To do so is to engage in partisan tabloid psychiatry, which harms our profession. Sadly, The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump is not a serious, scholarly, civic-minded work, but simply tawdry, indulgent, fatuous, tabloid psychiatry."

He's certainly a lot more qualified than you are I to make such judgments and a lot more experienced and respected within his profession than Bandy Lee.

[ayin jade]

5 hours ago, OldSchool2 said:

... so does John 9:41 apply?

 

When does it apply to the pope who blames the children for the acts of pedophilia that the catholic priests commit. The pope who supports the priests and not the children. When do you go after the pope, who is your spiritual leader, just like you go after the president? Where is your moral outrage there?

[ayin jade]

4 hours ago, OldSchool2 said:

After decades of his past printed in the NY papers, Donald Trump was hardly invisible to anyone with eyes to see.

And was it reasonable for the highest legislative body in the land to host what you are calling an unprofessional act by Dr. Lee, who along with her Yale colleagues still have their respective licenses to practice forensic medicine? Why hasn't the American Psychiatric Association and the Connecticut state licensing board decisively intervened after Dr. Lee presented her published case before Congress?

 

There are plenty of psychiatrists who are against what she has done. 

[missmuffet]

57 minutes ago, ayin jade said:

There are plenty of psychiatrists who are against what she has done. 

I imagine there are. There is a lot of division among the medical field.

[ayin jade]

Interesting. 

Bandy lee does not hold a license in connecticut where she made her "assessment" although she does maintain a license in new york (because as she stated, its the easiest to maintain). So she isnt even licensed to practice medicine in the state in which she made the diagnosis. Furthermore she has been censured (criticized) by the american psychiatric association. 

Lee and her cohort made intra-disciplinary waves on 9 January 2018, when the American Psychiatric Association put out a statement calling for an end to “armchair” psychiatry, saying doctors evaluating public figures they have not personally examined violates the “Goldwater Rule,” an ethical principle that “guides physician members of the APA to refrain from publicly issuing professional medical opinions about individuals that they have not personally evaluated in a professional setting or context.”

https://www.snopes.com/does-psychiatrist-trump-lack-license/

 

University professors are under intense pressure to constantly publish. Her book about trump was just a quick and easy way to get something published to satisfy the university pressure to "publish or perish".

Interesting. Her own department is against what she has done. 

Lee told New York magazine in April last year that she was a “pariah” at her department because of her campaign about the president’s mental health

The APA directly rebuked Lee’s “duty to warn” argument. 

Despite the APA’s rebuke, Democratic lawmakers have attempted to legitimize and promote the pariah professor’s accusations. BuzzFeed reported in October that six different Democrats in Congress reached out to Lee regarding her claims about Trump’s mental health.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/01/05/how-the-media-mainstreamed-a-democratic-conspiracy-theory/

So she went against the standards of her profession, went against departmental policy, went against the governing board of her profession, did this without a license to practice medicine in the state in which she resides and made her diagnosis, did this without examining trump. This is nothing more than a political attack and not valid diagnosis or assessment. 

[ayin jade]

The APA issued a statement reiterating its objection to such public statements by physicians. They also expressed confidence in the type of exam trump was about to undergo in january, that it would appropriately evaluate his mental status. So the ruling organization of psychiatrists are satisfied with the exam trump underwent. This should put the whole controversy to rest.

We at the APA call for an end to psychiatrists providing professional opinions in the media about public figures whom they have not examined, whether it be on cable-news appearances, books, or in social media,” it read in part. “Armchair psychiatry or the use of psychiatry as a political tool is the misuse of psychiatry and is unacceptable and unethical.

The President is about to undergo his annual physical examination, and APA has confidence that his physician will follow the standard of care in examining all systems, which includes an age-appropriate medical and mental health evaluation. If mental health concerns are raised, the standard of care would result in the examining physician seeking consultation from an experienced psychiatrist who would approach the consultation with objectivity and within the physician-patient confidential relationship.

https://www.psychiatry.org/newsroom/news-releases/apa-calls-for-end-to-armchair-psychiatry

 

 

[missmuffet]

Some people are very concerned that Trump will get that Psych eval.

[Guest shiloh357]

42 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

Some people are very concerned that Trump will get that Psych eval.

No, we are not.  That is not the issue. The issue is that the psychologist who is trying to say Trump is mentally ill is breaking the law.

[hmbld]

1 hour ago, missmuffet said:

Some people are very concerned that Trump will get that Psych eval.

Not at all. He did receive the eval. 

[ayin jade]

2 hours ago, missmuffet said:

Some people are very concerned that Trump will get that Psych eval.

He had one. 

He asked for one. 

If he gets another one, by someone who isnt politically motivated to rule against him, I would be more than ok with that. 

But I think some who are anti trump are determined not to accept anything that says he is fit. So far, they have refused to accept his examination in january, even tho the american psychiatrist association says it is an acceptable examination.