angels4u Posted January 15, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 56 Topic Count: 1,664 Topics Per Day: 0.20 Content Count: 19,764 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 12,164 Days Won: 28 Joined: 08/22/2001 Status: Offline Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 hour ago, GoldenEagle said: A few of questions to better understand what you are saying: 1. Would you like to be cured of the things that make you unique? 2. My autism allows me to find the weakness or inefficiency in any given situation as an example. It makes me very good at my job. Would you have other autistic people like Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Sir Isaac Newton, Albert Einstein, Susan Boyle, Michelangelo, Temple Grandin, Jerry Seinfield, Emily Dickinson, Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, and even Thomas Jefferson to be cured? 3. Also is dyslexia curable? Or being left-handed? I would say people with autism do not need curing. We need to be understood and accepted for the creative, quirky, intelligent, kind individuals that we are. I think it is important to acknowledge that, for some families, there are features of autism that cause considerable difficulties and heartache. I find that most of them time those that feel a cure for autism is needed are those that are dealing with some more intense and difficult challenges as parents (and if they're not parents or close relations of an autistic person then they just have no clue what autism is and need more information). In this case I think it's simply acknowledging that the challenges they face are very difficult, and focus on the fact that what they really want is a cure for those challenges. I'm not necessarily talking about speech delay or mild "stimming" behavior. I'm talking about when parents or loved ones are facing something so debilitating and severely challenging with someone who is autistic. Finding solutions (through diet for example or through therapy) for those is a worthy cause, and does not cure autism itself. I can get behind that. God bless, GE Very well said my friend,you're wonderful the way God made you and you have a beautiful family Love you brother in Christ Angels 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted January 15, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.81 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted January 15, 2018 People can not just be labeled with autism they have to have an extensive workup to be diagnosed with autism. You either have autism or you do not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted January 15, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted January 15, 2018 It has been largely arbitrary as noted: (from pressures/reasons still undisclosed) Showing results for autism spectrum diagnosis expanded to include more Search Results Majority Of Autism Increase Due To Diagnostic Changes, Finds New ... https://www.forbes.com/.../majority-of-autism-increase-due-to-diagnostic-changes-fin... Jan 5, 2015 - The definition has continued to expand and become more detailed, and thus autism prevalence has been adjusted accordingly over the years. In Denmark in particular, the diagnostic criteria for autism expanded in 1994 to include a spectrum of disorders with a broader list of symptoms, thereby widening ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted January 15, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.81 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted January 15, 2018 25 minutes ago, Yowm said: Define autism. What do you mean by 'an extensive workup? Sounds impressive, but a 'workup' by whose standards? I still believe by reading this thread we all have some aspect of autism...at least I do lol. A person can not just say they have autism. They need to get a diagnosis from a specialist confirming they have autism. Many think they have autism when they do not. Autism has often been described as a neurological illness. au·tism ˈôˌtizəm/ noun noun: autism a mental condition, present from early childhood, characterized by difficulty in communicating and forming relationships with other people and in using language and abstract concepts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IvyRose Posted January 15, 2018 Group: Junior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 96 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 138 Days Won: 1 Joined: 11/02/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/23/1978 Share Posted January 15, 2018 3 hours ago, GoldenEagle said: A few of questions to better understand what you are saying: 1. Would you like to be cured of the things that make you unique? 2. My autism allows me to find the weakness or inefficiency in any given situation as an example. It makes me very good at my job. Would you have other autistic people like Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Sir Isaac Newton, Albert Einstein, Susan Boyle, Michelangelo, Temple Grandin, Jerry Seinfield, Emily Dickinson, Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, and even Thomas Jefferson to be cured? 3. Also is dyslexia curable? Or being left-handed? I would say people with autism do not need curing. We need to be understood and accepted for the creative, quirky, intelligent, kind individuals that we are. I think it is important to acknowledge that, for some families, there are features of autism that cause considerable difficulties and heartache. I find that most of them time those that feel a cure for autism is needed are those that are dealing with some more intense and difficult challenges as parents (and if they're not parents or close relations of an autistic person then they just have no clue what autism is and need more information). In this case I think it's simply acknowledging that the challenges they face are very difficult, and focus on the fact that what they really want is a cure for those challenges. I'm not necessarily talking about speech delay or mild "stimming" behavior. I'm talking about when parents or loved ones are facing something so debilitating and severely challenging with someone who is autistic. Finding solutions (through diet for example or through therapy) for those is a worthy cause, and does not cure autism itself. I can get behind that. God bless, GE I agree with everything that you have posted here, and to clarify I wasn't saying that anyone, needs to be cured of their own uniqueness...I was talking about the challenges that each individual faces, as well. I sometimes have a hard time expressing myself clearly, so sorry if my post came off as rude or anything. God Bless you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waggles Posted January 15, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,790 Content Per Day: 0.77 Reputation: 983 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) Want to learn more about autism from the perspective of an autistic person? Yes, then go no further than the delightful bubbly Amythest Schaber who has her own YouTube channel "Ask An Autistic" Edited January 15, 2018 by Steve_S Removed video. Please post videos in the appropriate video forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted January 15, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.81 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted January 15, 2018 29 minutes ago, Yowm said: Communicating? Social skills? Relationships? Who has perfected any of these? Like I said, it is a relative term where some are better than others...even as witnessed on these forums. People with autism have serious challenges with the above. Sometimes they can not even speak. Sometimes there are challenges with motor skills. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted January 15, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.81 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Yowm said: I guess with you there is no continuum, it's only black or white. What 'serious challenges did Newton and Einstein have? They excel in some areas and are a near dunce in other areas...like most of us. There are many different levels of autism. Some can function quite well while others can barely function. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretopossumcabal Posted January 15, 2018 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 207 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 188 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/15/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted January 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, missmuffet said: People with autism have serious challenges with the above. Sometimes they can not even speak. Sometimes there are challenges with motor skills. Yup, aspergers usually has other comorbid mental conditions, personally i have a huge history with insomnia, chronic depression, and bipolar disorder. Relationships are out of the question for me (in addition to other reasons I needn't get into). Though from what I've seen, aspie girls do a lot better relationship-wise as their peculiar interests oftentimes leads them to become involved in very male-dominated fields, making them highly coveted. There's also the fact that appearing shy as a girl is not a negative, for a male that is a death blow of enormous proportions. Aspie males have it rough, especially if they don't have very involved parents, specifically a father to carefully guide them into manhood. A father needs to be very aware of how important developing an autistic boy's confidence is, it's just far too important in intersexual relationships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted January 15, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.81 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted January 15, 2018 Just now, secretopossumcabal said: Yup, aspergers usually has other comorbid mental conditions, personally i have a huge history with insomnia, chronic depression, and bipolar disorder. Relationships are out of the question for me (in addition to other reasons I needn't get into). Though from what I've seen, aspie girls do a lot better relationship-wise as their peculiar interests oftentimes leads them to become involved in very male-dominated fields, making them highly coveted. There's also the fact that appearing shy as a girl is not a negative, for a male that is a death blow of enormous proportions. Aspie males have it rough, especially if they don't have very involved parents, specifically a father to carefully guide them into manhood. A father needs to be very aware of how important developing an autistic boy's confidence is, it's just far too important in intersexual relationships. Those who have Asperger's are very intelligent. Sometimes they are a genius in a certain area. I have heard that Bill Gates has a form of Asperger's. If it is only the Asperger's the person is dealing with. If it comes with other mental illnesses it can be very disabling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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