Wayne222 Posted January 17, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 32 Topic Count: 476 Topics Per Day: 0.17 Content Count: 6,559 Content Per Day: 2.28 Reputation: 7,637 Days Won: 9 Joined: 06/12/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 hour ago, inchrist said: No Christ stated it was a vision And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen from the dead. (Matthew 17:9) To believe it other than a vision; then many scriptures would become false using this word vision Like Paul had a vision of the new heaven and new earth. A vision is real occurrence. Your saying God the Father was not really there in the cloud speaking with a voice? My you are so mix up. Look it's called a vision because there eyes were open to the spiritual world. They had vision to see the unseen. And notice Moses and Elijah talk with Christ about what was going to happen to Jesus. That was present tense. You think Moses was really not there that it was made up. It was real. Moses was seen in a vision. But that's not make believe. He was there and talk to christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne222 Posted January 17, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 32 Topic Count: 476 Topics Per Day: 0.17 Content Count: 6,559 Content Per Day: 2.28 Reputation: 7,637 Days Won: 9 Joined: 06/12/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted January 17, 2018 Also notice in luke 9 verse 29 and as he prayed the fashion of his countance was altered and his raiment was white and glistering. And behold there talked with him two men which was Moses and Elias. Who appear in glory and spake of his decrease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.But Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep. So his countance was altered. While Peter slept Christ changed and was altered and was bright with glory. So it was real. And Moses who died really was there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted January 17, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted January 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Wayne222 said: And Moses who died really was there. Keep reading: Jesus says to the Apostles with Him: "Tell no one this VISION" ....... at the time. This is in line with all Scripture, and contradicting no Scripture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted January 17, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted January 17, 2018 And fits with this also: 31 minutes ago, Wayne222 said: A vision is real occurrence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne222 Posted January 17, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 32 Topic Count: 476 Topics Per Day: 0.17 Content Count: 6,559 Content Per Day: 2.28 Reputation: 7,637 Days Won: 9 Joined: 06/12/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted January 17, 2018 18 minutes ago, simplejeff said: And fits with this also: Yes there eyes were open to see spiritual life. Read it for yourself it says two men appeared unto him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn C Posted January 17, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 266 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 13,200 Content Per Day: 3.49 Reputation: 8,497 Days Won: 12 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1947 Share Posted January 17, 2018 On 15/01/2018 at 11:30 PM, Jaynee said: Looking for some opinions/ bible info. Is Heaven a place where we will physically be? Or a place we will feel spiritually? Also - I'm aware the dead will sleep, until the coming of Jesus. I don't believe we go straight to Heaven. I believe we will all be judged at the same time. Although, the part I'm unsure about is, where will our minds and souls be during this time of "sleep"? And are the saved at peace during this time? My Grandmother has recently passed away, she was saved also. I suppose it's just made me wonder about these things a little more and spiritually where will she be at this moment ? If anywhere ? Thanks Hi Jaynee, You can rest assured that your dear grandmother, promoted to glory, is with the Lord in the General Assembly in the third heaven, as God`s word tells us. `...you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, to the GENERAL ASSEMBLY AND CHURCH of the first born who are REGISTERED IN HEAVEN, to God the judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant..` (Heb. 12: 22 - 24) regards, Marilyn. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inchrist Posted January 18, 2018 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 3 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 3,490 Content Per Day: 0.96 Reputation: 88 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/29/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted January 18, 2018 6 hours ago, Wayne222 said: A vision is real occurrence. I didn't say the vision wasnt a real occurrence.... But Moses and Elijah weren't there; it was a vision. A prophetic vision of the resurrection. You are twisting the fundamental meaning of the word vision. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne222 Posted January 18, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 32 Topic Count: 476 Topics Per Day: 0.17 Content Count: 6,559 Content Per Day: 2.28 Reputation: 7,637 Days Won: 9 Joined: 06/12/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted January 18, 2018 5 hours ago, inchrist said: I didn't say the vision wasnt a real occurrence.... But Moses and Elijah weren't there; it was a vision. A prophetic vision of the resurrection. You are twisting the fundamental meaning of the word vision. No not at all. They were there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inchrist Posted January 18, 2018 Group: Non-Trinitarian Followers: 3 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 3,490 Content Per Day: 0.96 Reputation: 88 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/29/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted January 18, 2018 16 minutes ago, Wayne222 said: No not at all. They were there. 10There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, 11Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne222 Posted January 18, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 32 Topic Count: 476 Topics Per Day: 0.17 Content Count: 6,559 Content Per Day: 2.28 Reputation: 7,637 Days Won: 9 Joined: 06/12/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted January 18, 2018 31 minutes ago, inchrist said: 10There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, 11Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer You misapplied these verses.. Jesus is Lord of all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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