Wayne222 Posted January 18, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 32 Topic Count: 475 Topics Per Day: 0.17 Content Count: 6,557 Content Per Day: 2.28 Reputation: 7,635 Days Won: 9 Joined: 06/12/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted January 18, 2018 2 hours ago, Justin Adams said: Legalism is mostly contrived to steer attention away from lawlessness. Quotes about food laws and such give the anti-legalists a legal footing. Kinda funny that the ones that oppose God's Commandments, use legalistic excuses. Grace opened the door for us to approach the Throne. It did not give us the right to sneer at Yahweh's Commandments. Wrong again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted January 18, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 25 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,605 Content Per Day: 3.98 Reputation: 7,795 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted January 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Wayne222 said: 2 hours ago, Justin Adams said: Legalism is mostly contrived to steer attention away from lawlessness. Quotes about food laws and such give the anti-legalists a legal footing. Kinda funny that the ones that oppose God's Commandments, use legalistic excuses. Grace opened the door for us to approach the Throne. It did not give us the right to sneer at Yahweh's Commandments. Wrong again. Oh, so you DO have the right to ignore the Lords Commandments. Hmm. I see... Must be a Greasy-Grace kinda thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted January 18, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 25 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,605 Content Per Day: 3.98 Reputation: 7,795 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted January 18, 2018 The term 'under the law' means 'under condemnation by the law'. It does not mean that we ignore it and do not observe it. If you ignore the rules of the road, you will be condemned by the judge for breaking the law when the cops haul you into court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john1 Posted January 18, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 41 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 686 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 221 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/16/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted January 18, 2018 20 hours ago, missmuffet said: Just what is legalism and how does the Bible look at it? I don't see how law new testament or old serves any purpose other than to lead us to Christ. Romans chapter 4 13 It was not through the law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. 14 For if those who depend on the law are heirs, faith means nothing and the promise is worthless, 15 because the law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression. Proverbs chapter 10 verse 12 Love covers all wrongs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frienduff thaylorde Posted January 18, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 17 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 13,256 Content Per Day: 5.34 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 62 Joined: 07/07/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1972 Share Posted January 18, 2018 I don't know much about leonard Ravenhill, but he did at least once say something I heard that was true. Anyone who desires to live a holy life in God will be sneered at by those who don't . Called legalistic by those who desire rather to follow a Christ that does not exist but rather leads to making void the law, rather than by grace establishing it . What happened was legalism has been taught wrong to many. I guarantee if we follow Christ the law would not be transgressed at all. HOW can the LAW of Christ transgresss or make void the law, and not rather simply fulfill the law. IF we kept by the power of the spirit JESUS sayings, not a one of them is against the law , but rather fulfills it . And since HE , the LORD made sure to say its not what goes in a man that defiles him, as in food , drinks etc and since we know the blood of bulls and goats was only an example of earthen things that would point to the true sacrifice OF the pure blood of one who has entered into the true tabernacle . well, we ought to know their is no need for that either. But every saying to every warning , to every promise that JESUS made fulfills both the law and the prophets. THUS if we are truly following HIM , we love HIS sayings. And we don't accuse those who bring HIS sayings as being legalistic. the Pharisees who were legalistic , accused JESUS . let us not be as the Pharisees and unrightly accuse those WHO BRING JESUS SAYINGS and say DO and not twist. OR we have found ourselves , NOT FIGHTING the messenger, BUT THE ONE WHO SPOKE THOSE WORDS. NOT A GOOD PLACE TOBE on JUDGMENT day. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted January 18, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted January 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, john1 said: I don't see how law new testament or old serves any purpose other than to lead us to Christ. In all the world(society/ and believers) , how many different "teachers" are there teaching people how to live ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frienduff thaylorde Posted January 18, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 17 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 13,256 Content Per Day: 5.34 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 62 Joined: 07/07/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1972 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Just now, simplejeff said: In all the world(society/ and believers) , how many different "teachers" are there teaching people how to live ? Bout as many as the grains of the sand. You know what I found by grace. ONLY NEED ONE TEACHER , CHRIST the KING , and we test all things any other teaches against The words of godliness of Christ the King. In truth I have only found ONE TEACHER that never once has led me astray. JESUS the KING of kings. and if that bothers churches and socities , so be it . ALL others get tested , JESUS alone is THE TEACHER . Sadly those grains of sand doing their teachings have more than often been found with errors to say the least and the worst as outright mega false prophets . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john1 Posted January 18, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 41 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 686 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 221 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/16/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted January 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said: Anyone who desires to live a holy life in God will be sneered at by those who don't . Called legalistic by those who desire rather to follow a Christ that does not exist but rather leads to making void the law, rather than by grace establishing it . Should we then keep all laws then, everyone breaks them all. James chapter 2 verse 10 If anyone keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. And Christ is the only human who lived and never sinned, everyone else continues to. Matthew chapter 5 verse 17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. Ezekiel chapter 44 verse 9 This is what the Sovereign LORD says: No foreigner uncircumcised in heart and flesh is to enter my sanctuary, not even the foreigners who live among the Israelites. Ezekiel chapter 36 verse 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. Romans chapter 2 25 For circumcision benefits you if you observe the law, but if you are a lawbreaker, your circumcision has become uncircumcision. 26 Therefore if an uncircumcised man keeps the law’s requirements, will his uncircumcision not be counted as circumcision? 27 A man who is physically uncircumcised, but who fulfills the law, will judge you who are a lawbreaker in spite of having the letter of the law and circumcision. 28 For a person is not a Jew who is one outwardly, and true circumcision is not something visible in the flesh. 29 On the contrary, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly, and circumcision is of the heart—by the Spirit, not the letter.[a] That man’s praise[b] is not from men but from God. Galatians chapter 5 verse 14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: "Love your neighbor as yourself." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TickledPinkinChristWoot! Posted January 18, 2018 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 3 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 200 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 59 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/19/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted January 18, 2018 21 hours ago, missmuffet said: I am sure hearing a lot lately about legalism. Just what is legalism and how does the Bible look at it? Question: "What does the Bible say about legalism? How can a Christian avoid falling into the trap of legalism?" Answer: The word “legalism” does not occur in the Bible. It is a term Christians use to describe a doctrinal position emphasizing a system of rules and regulations for achieving both salvation and spiritual growth. Legalists believe in and demand a strict literal adherence to rules and regulations. Doctrinally, it is a position essentially opposed to grace. Those who hold a legalistic position often fail to see the real purpose for law, especially the purpose of the Old Testament law of Moses, which is to be our “schoolmaster” or “tutor” to bring us to Christ (Galatians 3:24). Even true believers can be legalistic. We are instructed, rather, to be gracious to one another: “Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters” (Romans 14:1). Sadly, there are those who feel so strongly about non-essential doctrines that they will run others out of their fellowship, not even allowing the expression of another viewpoint. That, too, is legalism. Many legalistic believers today make the error of demanding unqualified adherence to their own biblical interpretations and even to their own traditions. For example, there are those who feel that to be spiritual one must simply avoid tobacco, alcoholic beverages, dancing, movies, etc. The truth is that avoiding these things is no guarantee of spirituality. The apostle Paul warns us of legalism in Colossians 2:20-23: “Since you died with Christ to the basic principles of this world, why, as though you still belonged to it, do you submit to its rules: ‘Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!’? These are all destined to perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings. Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.” Legalists may appear to be righteous and spiritual, but legalism ultimately fails to accomplish God’s purposes because it is an outward performance instead of an inward change. To avoid falling into the trap of legalism, we can start by holding fast to the words of the apostle John, “For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ” (John 1:17) and remembering to be gracious, especially to our brothers and sisters in Christ. “Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand” (Romans 14:4). “You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat” (Romans 14:10). A word of caution is necessary here. While we need to be gracious to one another and tolerant of disagreement over disputable matters, we cannot accept heresy. We are exhorted to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints (Jude 3). If we remember these guidelines and apply them in love and mercy, we will be safe from both legalism and heresy. “Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world” (1 John 4:1). https://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-Christian-legalism.html Great post. Asked and answered in very short order as to what is Legalism. The last part of that article is worth mentioning in that even here in the response of some we're seeing what is described in the article itself. "A word of caution is necessary here. While we need to be gracious to one another and tolerant of disagreement over disputable matters, we cannot accept heresy. We are exhorted to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints (Jude 3). If we remember these guidelines and apply them in love and mercy, we will be safe from both legalism and heresy. “Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world” (1 John 4:1). " 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john1 Posted January 18, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 41 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 686 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 221 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/16/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted January 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, simplejeff said: are there teaching people how to live I believe were all trying to teach here, and everyone here sins. Galatians chapter 5 verse 4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. 1 Peter chapter 4 verse 8 Love covers a great many sins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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