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22 minutes ago, secretopossumcabal said:

The body can't exist without the head. Just as God is our head, Christ is the king of Israel, Ezekiel told us that it shall be ruins until he who comes whose right it is. You can no more separate Israel from the Christ than you can separate your own head from your own body. 

Jesus is the head of the Church, but He is also the King of Israel.  The Church and Israel are two different things.  You clearly don't understand basic Christian theology.

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Dual-covenant theology is a heresy. Physical circumcision has no value because it doesn't speak from the heart -- which is what God looks for -- physical circumcision speaks of outward things, but faith is an inward thing. Wherein the one who confesses in Christ confesses from the heart, they become Jews through his blood -- that is the ONLY way to become a Jew and gain salvation. Anything else is to call God a liar for 1 John 2:23. The old covenant is fulfilled through Jesus Christ -- NO alternatives.     

Dual-covenant theology also sprouted with gullible Christians feeling sympathetic to the pharisees after WW2. As if there is a people greater than the blood of Christ almighty.

 

Oh Please...  I am not talking about dual covenant theology.  I am talking about the difference between physical circumcision and the metaphor circumcision of the heart, which is the cutting away of the fleshly impulses from the heart. It's called "sanctification."  If you were a Christian, you would understand that.

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You know what also was a conspiracy? The pharisees setting Jesus Christ up. The pulled a conspiracy with Christ, they are pulling conspiracies with Christians. No servant is greater than his master, they persecuted him they will persecute Christians, they are pulling the same exact tricks that they pulled on him, and how did they do it? Under the cloak of darkness and from within Christ's circle of apostles, just as they plan to do it with the various anti-Christs that will claim to be him.  

No one set Jesus up.   Jesus came to earth to die.  It was God's sovereign plan for Jesus to die on the cross. No one call pull tricks on Jesus because Jesus was/is God and is all-knowing.   You can't pull tricks on an all-knowing God.   Jesus was in complete, sovereign control over everything that happened.  The Pharisees and religious leaders played the part that God sovereignly decreed they would play.

 

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I'm not convinced that you care about the ones that are outwardly calling themselves Jews, they are doing precisely what the pharisees did back then, that's because they sprouted from that same exact tree, which is rooted in Babylon. That path is a path of damnation for it rejects the messiah.   

actually, I do care about them enough to defend them from false "Christians" like you who claim to be Christians, but are just bigots and racists at heart.

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I won't fall for your bait in calling the pharisees, Jews, so you might as well quit it. If the power of the Father of Lies is in his forked tongue, then he would go after the press and money supply. Now in this world there is one group who has a very powerful and disproportionate presence in those two areas (and even in entertainment which is FULL of anti-Christian messages), and even in pornography this group is over-represented.

They are the pharisees from Babylon and they have a stranglehold on Israel. 

Pray that they might turn away and acknowledge the lord as Nebuchadnezzar had, though the Lord uses Babylon to teach the Jews (Christians) a lesson, he will ultimately destroy Babylon in the end. This is what Revelation tells us about the Pharisees. 

 

Actually, what the Bible tells is that people like you will end up in the lake of fire, and Jesus will reign over Israel and the Jews just as was promised and the nation of Israel that you hate so much will one day be head of all nations. Jesus is and will be their King.   The Babylon that is destroyed will be that which tried to destroy the Jews.  So I will stick what the Bible really says and reject the White Supremacist trash that you support. 

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2 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

Jesus is the head of the Church, but He is also the King of Israel.  The Church and Israel are two different things.  You clearly don't understand basic Christian theology.

You are trying to seperate things that can never be seperated, the children of the church are the children of Israel, for the entire point of Israel is for God to have a nation that believes in HIM. This is why the remnant of Israel is and has always been Christians. This is why God makes the distinction that "Not all who are in Israel are of Israel", those who are circumcised outwardly are NOT part of the kingdom because they do not accept Christ. 

You keep on trying trap what is spiritual inside a body wherein the entire point of a soul is that it doesn't have a body, hence why God can find his remnant of Israel among the heathen nations. He isn't looking for outward circumcision, he's not concerned with geneolgies as the pharisees are.    

This is also what confounded the pharisees when they kept trying to claim physical ancestry to Abraham. Are you still hearing but not understanding?

"As I urged you on my departure to Macedonia, you should stay on at Ephesus to instruct certain men not to teach false doctrines 4 or devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies, which promote speculation rather than the stewardship of God’s work, which is by faith." 1 Timothy 3-4

2 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

Oh Please...  I am not talking about dual covenant theology.  I am talking about the difference between physical circumcision and the metaphor circumcision of the heart, which is the cutting away of the fleshly impulses from the heart. It's called "sanctification."  If you were a Christian, you would understand that.

The ONLY way to gain sanctification is through Jesus Christ (I.E circumcision of the heart).  Anyone that says they are a Jew and rejects Christ as messiah is lying and pulling the age old trick that the pharisees use.  

2 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

No one set Jesus up.   Jesus came to earth to die.  It was God's sovereign plan for Jesus to die on the cross. No one call pull tricks on Jesus because Jesus was/is God and is all-knowing.   You can't pull tricks on an all-knowing God.   Jesus was in complete, sovereign control over everything that happened.  The Pharisees and religious leaders played the part that God sovereignly decreed they would play.

Just because you know that someone is going to murder you doesn't mean it's not murder if you willingly give up your life, God used the evil behind the pharisees (which ultimately leads to Satan) to make his sacrifice more profound and to find his children Israel. He made himself low to find those whom are the last, whom shall be the first of his kingdom. His sacrifice also exposed that not all who are in Israel are of Israel.  

2 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

Actually, what the Bible tells is that people like you will end up in the lake of fire, and Jesus will reign over Israel and the Jews just as was promised and the nation of Israel that you hate so much will one day be head of all nations. Jesus is and will be their King.   The Babylon that is destroyed will be that which tried to destroy the Jews.  So I will stick what the Bible really says and reject the White Supremacist trash that you support. 

Most of this is true, with exception to what you mean by "Jew" and what I mean by Jew. I'll take Christs definition over yours.

You know why the current "Israel" does not, and shall never see peace. Prophecies are being fulfilled, now are you going to side with the pharisees (and Satan who leads them) or with Christ? In ALL the rebellions against God, you see a group of men pretending to be holy in their attempts to destroy the kingdom from within, First it was Satan and his fallen angels, then it was the Pharisees in Israel, then it will be Anti-Christs within Christianity, whom are the extension of those pharisees whom ultimately are an extension of Satan and his gang. 

By their fruits you shall know them.    

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20 minutes ago, secretopossumcabal said:

You are trying to seperate things that can never be seperated, the children of the church are the children of Israel, for the entire point of Israel is for God to have a nation that believes in HIM. This is why the remnant of Israel is and has always been Christians. This is why God makes the distinction that "Not all who are in Israel are of Israel", those who are circumcised outwardly are NOT part of the kingdom because they do not accept Christ. 

No, I am correct.   The New Testament uses the word "Israel" 71 times.  And at NO time is "Israel" ever used to refer to the Church even once in the New Testament.

Christians are never called "Israel" anywhere in the Bible.   That is just wishful thinking and false, sloppy anti-Semite theology on your part.    You are too racist to understand the Bible. 

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You keep on trying trap what is spiritual inside a body wherein the entire point of a soul is that it doesn't have a body, hence why God can find his remnant of Israel among the heathen nations. He isn't looking for outward circumcision, he's not concerned with geneolgies as the pharisees are.    

No, "Israel" is not a spiritual term.  It only ever refers to an ethnic people.  You perverting Scripture to justify your bigotry.

 

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This is also what confounded the pharisees when they kept trying to claim physical ancestry to Abraham. Are you still hearing but not understanding?

The Jews are descended from Abraham.  That is historical fact.   I realize that your irrational, blind hatred forces you to reject that fact.   But those of us who are intelligent, thinking, well-adjusted, mature adults who love Jesus don't see things the way your kind does.

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The ONLY way to gain sanctification is through Jesus Christ (I.E circumcision of the heart).  Anyone that says they are a Jew and rejects Christ as messiah is lying and pulling the age old trick that the pharisees use.  

Being a Jew has nothing to do with sanctification of the heart.   Circumcision of the heart is just a metaphor.  It doesn't make anyone "Jewish."  It never made anyone "Jewish."

 

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Just because you know that someone is going to murder you doesn't mean it's not murder if you willingly give up your life, God used the evil behind the pharisees (which ultimately leads to Satan) to make his sacrifice more profound and to find his children Israel. He made himself low to find those whom are the last, whom shall be the first of his kingdom. His sacrifice also exposed that not all who are in Israel are of Israel.  

That's the problem with unbelievers like you who pervert the Scriptures.   Jesus' death was not a murder. It was a sacrifice that Jesus intended to happen.   Jesus was not victim of the Jews.    Jesus came to earth to die.   Jesus said this: "Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father."  (Joh 10:17-18)

According to Jesus, His life was not taken from Him.   Thus, He was not "murdered."  Jesus gave His life, for us.  It was not taken from Him.   Jesus died at the exact moment He chose to die, at the exact moment the Passover Lamb was killed at the Temple.   Jesus could have hung on the cross for 100 years had He wanted to.     Jesus died at the moment of HIS choosing.   It was a sin offering, a sacrifice for us.  

When you call Jesus' death murder, you remove the redemptive nature of His death and make Jesus into a martyr.   Jesus was not a martyr, he was not a victim,  He was our final sin offering.    

If you were a Christian, you would know that, but your blind hatred for Jews causes you to pervert Scripture and in doing so, diminish the redemptive, sacrificial nature of the death of Jesus.

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Most of this is true, with exception to what you mean by "Jew" and what I mean by Jew. I'll take Christs definition over yours.

Jesus NEVER defines "Jew" the way you do.   You are not a believer and don't know Jesus.   You are not qualified to tell me anything about Jesus.

 

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You know why the current "Israel" does not, and shall never see peace.

They shall see peace, even if you don't want them to.  I realize that you hate them and want to see them destroyed.

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Prophecies are being fulfilled, now are you going to side with the pharisees (and Satan who leads them) or with Christ?

I am on God's side.  God is restoring them to the Land and restoring them as a nation, but you are too blind to see it.   The prophecies that are being fulfilled prove that God still loves them and is drawing them to Himself.

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In ALL the rebellions against God, you see a group of men pretending to be holy in their attempts to destroy the kingdom from within, First it was Satan and his fallen angels, then it was the Pharisees in Israel, then it will be Anti-Christs within Christianity, whom are the extension of those pharisees whom ultimately are an extension of Satan and his gang. 

No, that is what YOU see through the blinders of your sick, disgusting racist hatred of Jews.   That is not at all how things are.  

 

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By their fruits you shall know them.    

And since racist anti-Semitism is not the fruit of a true Christian, it tells all we need to know about you.

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2 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

No, I am correct.   The New Testament uses the word "Israel" 71 times.  And at NO time is "Israel" ever used to refer to the Church even once in the New Testament.

Christians are never called "Israel" anywhere in the Bible.   That is just wishful thinking and false, sloppy anti-Semite theology on your part.    You are too racist to understand the Bible. 

"Destroy this temple and I will rebuild it in 3 days". The pharisees were unable to see that Jesus was that temple, and the whole point of God putting that temple in Israel is because the Jews (through FAITH in CHRIST) are his chosen people.  

6 So also, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” 7 Understand, then, that those who have faith are the sons of Abraham. Galatians 3:6-7

It's impossible to separate Israel from Christ for the whole point of Christ is to save the remnant of Israel through Faith in HIM, which is what makes one a Jew. Laws and genealogy does not make a Jew. You continue to try and separate things that are married, things that God has joined, and then you straight for an ad hominine as if an 'ism' would scare me, which is very much how progressives argue. 

What then will we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; 31 but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. 32 Why not? Because their pursuit was not by faith, but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone, 33as it is written:

“See, I lay in Zion a stone of stumbling,
and a rock of offense;
and the one who believes in Him
will never be put to shame.”l 

-- Romans 9:30-33

2 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

No, "Israel" is not a spiritual term.  It only ever refers to an ethnic people.  You perverting Scripture to justify your bigotry

Faith doesn't live in the blood, you accuse me of racism yet you're the one with the belief of racial supremacy. The Remnant of Israel has always been Christians for there is only one way to reach God the father. God doesn't look at your race, he wants your faith not your blood which is already imperfect and destined to die, only through faith can Christ exchange your imperfect blood with his own blood, which will never die.  

2 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

The Jews are descended from Abraham.  That is historical fact.   I realize that your irrational, blind hatred forces you to reject that fact.   But those of us who are intelligent, thinking, well-adjusted, mature adults who love Jesus don't see things the way your kind does.

Ok, if you want to put faith in your body -- go ahead -- I warned you against that, but you don't want to see. 

And do not presume to say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father.' For I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham. Mathew 3:9

Abraham lived by his faith -- not body, which is why God chose him, and through Him -- Israel. He set the system up for BELIEF.  

For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith for faith,[a] as it is written, “The righteous shall live by faith". -- Romans 1:17

3 The tempter came to Him and said, “If You are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.” 4 But Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’” Matthew 4:3-4

3 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

That's the problem with unbelievers like you who pervert the Scriptures.   Jesus' death was not a murder. It was a sacrifice that Jesus intended to happen.   Jesus was not victim of the Jews.    Jesus came to earth to die.   Jesus said this: "Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father."  (Joh 10:17-18)

It was a murder in the eyes of the pharisees (stop calling them Jews), it was a sacrifice in the eyes of God, how about an analogy: 

Jesus Christ is a lamp, his passion on the cross is him turning on this lamp to cast away darkness, The pharisees (whom are NOT Jews) are that darkness. Jesus turns on his lamp casting out the darkness and revealing the truth and beauty of his name, and drawing people towards him who want to be comforted by this light, for his light illuminates the truth. Does that make the darkness that his lamp banished any less of darkness? From wicked men come wicked deeds, in their hearts they thought they murdered God despite seeing all the miracles he performed. They destroyed the temple, and Jesus Christ rebuilt it in 3 days. 

I don't even know why you defend them, they are not and have never been Jews, hence why they have no qualms with destroying the temple.

3 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

Jesus NEVER defines "Jew" the way you do.   You are not a believer and don't know Jesus.   You are not qualified to tell me anything about Jesus.

Ok, I see that you will never see what "circumcision of the heart" means, you see things as men see them -- outwardly -- and for some bizzare reason you don't want to acknowledge that what justified Abraham in God's eyes, is what justifies Israel, which is what justifies Christians.

Have a nice day, you can have the last word. I already told you what needed to be said, perhaps one day you will see it.  

    

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1 hour ago, secretopossumcabal said:

"Destroy this temple and I will rebuild it in 3 days". The pharisees were unable to see that Jesus was that temple, and the whole point of God putting that temple in Israel is because the Jews (through FAITH in CHRIST) are his chosen people.  

Jesus was talking about His body metaphorically being a Temple.  The Bible never says that Jesus was any temple of any kind.  That is just more of your sloppy incompetence.    WE are the temple, according to Scripture, not Jesus.   

 

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It's impossible to separate Israel from Christ for the whole point of Christ is to save the remnant of Israel through Faith in HIM, which is what makes one a Jew. Laws and genealogy does not make a Jew. You continue to try and separate things that are married, things that God has joined, and then you straight for an ad hominine as if an 'ism' would scare me, which is very much how progressives argue. 

Nope, wrong as always.   The Bible never calls Jesus, "Israel" and never calls the Church, "Israel."  The only Jews are the ones who are born as natural, ethnic Jews.   "Jew" is not a redemptive term.  It is always an ethnic term.    The Bible is clear to separate Gentiles from Jews and the Church from Israel.   It is false teachers like you who do not  know the Bible and do not know God who make up sloppy theology such as what you are spewing.

 

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Faith doesn't live in the blood,

No one said that faith lives in the blood.   But that is a lie you have to assign to me just to have something to say.   You are dishonest and lack basic integrity.  

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you accuse me of racism yet you're the one with the belief of racial supremacy.

I accuse you of racism because you are a racist.    I never said that the Jews were superior to anyone else.  They are not and the Bible never says they are.   But you, again, have to lie and accuse me saying things I did not say, because you can't argue with me on the basis of honesty and truth.   You don't have the courage or the integrity to tell the truth.

 

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The Remnant of Israel has always been Christians for there is only one way to reach God the father. 

The Bible doesn't say that all.  The remnant of Israel have always been faithful Jews.

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God doesn't look at your race, he wants your faith not your blood which is already imperfect and destined to die, only through faith can Christ exchange your imperfect blood with his own blood, which will never die.  

Ok, if you want to put faith in your body -- go ahead -- I warned you against that, but you don't want to see. 

 

Again, the problem here is that I am not saying anything about putting faith in the body or faith in blood.   That is something you assign to me, that I never said and is not true.   

 

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It was a murder in the eyes of the pharisees (stop calling them Jews), it was a sacrifice in the eyes of God, how about an analogy: 

The Bible doesn't say that the Jews murdered Jesus.   And Jesus said it was not a murder.  So the Jews didn't murder Jesus unless you are intending to claim that Jesus is wrong.  They are/were Jews and I will continue calling them Jews because that is what the Bible calls them. 

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Jesus Christ is a lamp, his passion on the cross is him turning on this lamp to cast away darkness, The pharisees (whom are NOT Jews) are that darkness.

 

They are Jews, even if your racism can't accept that.  

 

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Jesus turns on his lamp casting out the darkness and revealing the truth and beauty of his name, and drawing people towards him who want to be comforted by this light, for his light illuminates the truth. Does that make the darkness that his lamp banished any less of darkness? From wicked men come wicked deeds, in their hearts they thought they murdered God despite seeing all the miracles he performed. They destroyed the temple, and Jesus Christ rebuilt it in 3 days. 

The didn't murder Him and Jesus said He was not murdered, so I will  and every Christian should reject your false claims.

 

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I don't even know why you defend them, they are not and have never been Jews, hence why they have no qualms with destroying the temple.

They have always been Jews, and I defend them because God defends them and I am on His side.  
 

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Ok, I see that you will never see what "circumcision of the heart" means, you see things as men see them -- outwardly -- and for some bizzare reason you don't want to acknowledge that what justified Abraham in God's eyes, is what justifies Israel, which is what justifies Christians.

 

Abraham was justified by faith.  


 

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Have a nice day, you can have the last word. I already told you what needed to be said, perhaps one day you will see it.  

    

 

Good.  

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Modern Israel is indeed the Israel of scripture and was predicted when it would come into being.... before the first return from Babylon.

Ezekiel 4.... poor old Zeke is required to lay on one side then the other, for a total of 430 days.  Each day to represent one year that the entirety of Israel was to be punished.

When the Southern Kingdom was taken into captivity by Babylon, all the tribes were in that group.  The books of the Chronicles and Kings have many references to the faithful of the northern tribes migrating to the south at various times to join with the Southern Kingdom.  So the lost tribe idea has no legs and the idea is the equivalent of what comes out of the south end of a north bound buffalo.

When the remnant returned from Babylon, they were called Jews 11 times and Israel 22 times by Ezra.  Nehemiah called then Jews 8 times and Israel 40 times.   Again, all the tribes were present.

70 of those years ticked off in the Babylonian captivity.  When allowed to return, only a remnant did so.  The majority remained in Babylon where they had built homes, businesses, jobs, etc.  That majority was in rebellion to God at that point, because God says that when the people of Israel are not in the Land, they are profaning His name. Ezekiel 36:20

Now, that being said, if Israel remained in rebellion, which they were by not all returning, then their punishment would be multiplied 7 times, per Leviticus 26:18.

430 years, minus the 70 in the Babylonian Captivity, is 360 years.

360 years multiplied by 7 is 2520 years.  

2520 years on the Hebrew Lunar Calendar is 907,200 days.  907,200 days on the 365.25 day Solar Calendar we commonly use is 2483.78 years.

The decree by Cyrus for the Hebrews to return was given in early fall 537BC.  That would be -536.3 for math calculation purposes.

-536.3 plus 2483.78 is 1947.48.   We have to add 1 to that, since there is no "zero" year between BC and AD.  That gives us 1948.48, or roughly May 1948, when Israel became a nation.  They had never been a sovereign independent nation with a common government from the start of the Babylonian Captivity until May 1948.  Even during the Hasmonean period when they were not controlled by outside countries, they were just a sectarian mix of interests and not one unified country.

When modern Israel became a nation in 1948, 80% of the Jews in the land were Sabras, or long time generational Hebrews who had lived in the land since the Babylonian times.  Even during the Crusades of the Middle Ages, the Crusaders killed many Jews in the land.  20,000 were burned alive in one instance in the Great Synagogue of Jerusalem while the Crusaders marched around it singing "Christ We Adore Thee".   Some Crusaders had contests to see how many Jewish babies they could get on a sword.   

The church is not Israel. That dog just won't hunt.  And YHWH is a God who remembers His promises.

If He isn't faithful to remember His promises regarding physical Israel, then He can't be trusted to remember His promises to any of us.  

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3 hours ago, Sojourner414 said:

Whoever claims that the promises of Israel now belong to the Church and that "the Church is now 'Israel'" have not only tried to rob Israel of what the Lord has vowed to give to her, but has also made themselves subject to the curses that the Lord has promised upon them who would harm "the apple of His eye". Woe to those who twist the words of the Lord and attempt to manipulate the Scriptures to serve their needs; such insults the Spirit of Grace. Was it not enough for you to drink the clear waters, that you must now foul the rest with your feet? Must you also trample the Blood of Christ underfoot as a common thing and add sin unto sin?!

If we cannot rely upon the promises of God to His chosen nation, than how can we who are the Body of Christ trust in the promises made to us? Yet, you have brought derision and doubt to BOTH.

Your words echo that of those here who have joined themselves with  satanic teaching that calls itself "Replacement tTeology"; it has only served to bring judgment to this place. In your "exhortations", you have openly called the Lord God, the Creator of the Heavens and the Earth and the God of Israel, a LIAR and tried to nullify those promises . For allowing this, the lampstand of this place is to be removed; for your part in this, you shall answer before the Lord.

GOD DOESN'T PLAY GAMES.

Once more a body can't exist without a head. To remove Christ from Israel is to remove the throne of God from heaven itself. 

Can heaven exist without a creator? Nope. 

And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her seedHe shall bruise you on the head, And you shall bruise him on the heel."

That "seed" that God promised to Eve was in the savior, Jesus Christ, as promised through Abraham.  

3 hours ago, Sojourner414 said:

Must you also trample the Blood of Christ underfoot as a common thing and add sin unto sin?!

It isn't me who exalts the blood of those claiming to be "Jews" above Jesus Christ himself, when Jesus Christ himself said that none may come to the father but through him.

Can a kingdom exist with no king? a body without a head?  This is what some of you seem to think. EVERYTHING flows through him.  

3 hours ago, Sojourner414 said:

Your words echo that of those here who have joined themselves with  satanic teaching that calls itself "Replacement tTeology"; it has only served to bring judgment to this place. In your "exhortations", you have openly called the Lord God, the Creator of the Heavens and the Earth and the God of Israel, a LIAR and tried to nullify those promises .

The promise was in Jesus Christ himself, not in blood but in Faith in HIM, the only meaning of "Jew" that has any value. That is why God had to frequently purge unbelievers from Israel, because faith doesn't live in the blood so they kept falling away. Yet a remnant will be saved, that remnant are the Christians that believe that Christ is the messiah.    

The Tree called faith was NEVER replaced. The Just shall LIVE BY FAITH, and therefor Israel flows through Christ. Nobody has "special blood" save for him who died in Calvary. 

And do not presume to say to yourselves, 
‘We have Abraham as our father.’ 
For I tell you that out of these stones 
God can raise up children for Abraham. 

Matthew 3:9

The children of Abraham are those who believe. This is good news. The ones that are blessed are the ones that live by faith in Jesus Christ (Christians).

Oh, and I just remembered another story in that bible that illustrates my point. 

Does anyone remember when David took a census of Israel in 2 Samuel 24? 

Why was God angry at him for doing this?  

Because you're only supposed to count things that belong to you. Israel belongs to God (therefor to Christ), so David was not allowed to take a Census of Israel because Israel didn't belong to David. This further illuminates that one CANNOT separate Christ from Israel because Israel belongs to God. 

 

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16 minutes ago, secretopossumcabal said:

Once more a body can't exist without a head. To remove Christ from Israel is to remove the throne of God from heaven itself. 

The Bible says that Jesus is the King (Messiah) of Israel.   But He is the HEAD of the Church.   The Church is not Israel. 

 

 

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It isn't me who exalts the blood of those claiming to be "Jews" above Jesus Christ himself, when Jesus Christ himself said that none may come to the father but through him.

No one is exalting the Jews over Jesus.   We are simply responding to your racist lies and your demonic views.

 

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Can a kingdom exist with no king? a body without a head?  This is what some of you seem to think. EVERYTHING flows through him.  

No, that is what YOU think that we are thinking.   The problem is that you are so caught up and obsessed with satanic hatred of Jews, that you don't pay any attention to what we say.

 

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The promise was in Jesus Christ himself, not in blood but in Faith in HIM, the only meaning of "Jew" that has any value.

"Jew" has no spiritual value.   The Bible never uses "Jew" the way you do.    You have to diminish the 71 times the Bible uses "Jew" to refer to the Jewish people of Jesus' day because you are a Jew-hater and so you have make up a different kind of "Jew."  

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That is why God had to frequently purge unbelievers from Israel, because faith doesn't live in the blood so they kept falling away. Yet a remnant will be saved, that remnant are the Christians that believe that Christ is the messiah.    

Sorry, but none of that crap is in the Bible.   The Bible says nothing of the sort.  More lies and more lies.   

 

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The Tree called faith was NEVER replaced. The Just shall LIVE BY FAITH, and therefor Israel flows through Christ. Nobody has "special blood" save for him who died in Calvary. 

No, Israel doesn't flow through Christ.   Salvation flows through Christ.   And you don't have salvation because you cannot hate the Jews  but claim to follow the King of the Jews.

You are a poor unregenerate sinner in need of salvation.   The racism you have against Jews cannot exist in the heart of a true Christian.  I hope you stop following Satan some day and turn to Christ.

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And I realize folks really like to use that "in Christ there is no Jew or Gentile" thing.  They seem to forget the other part.... "there is neither male or female".    

Now, if they really take the "there is no Jew or Gentile" thing so seriously and like to apply it to the physical world, then do the same with the latter and prove it by having a bunch of men and women stand up in front of the Church during a meeting and strip and then try to make the case that there is neither male or female.

True, in the spiritual sense there is neither Jew nor Gentile in Messiah, but that is not true at the physical level.  There are Jewish Believers and Gentile believers, just like outside the church there are Jews and Gentiles.  

Even Paul, in Romans 9, 10, and 11 is speaking of physical Israel.  He does say that not all of Israel are Israel, that not all have the faith of Abraham which is the distinguishing mark of a "true Jew".  But they, physical Israel, are beloved because of the fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and the promises belong to them.

 

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17 minutes ago, OldCoot said:

And I realize folks really like to use that "in Christ there is no Jew or Gentile" thing.  They seem to forget the other part.... "there is neither male or female".    

Now, if they really take the "there is no Jew or Gentile" thing so seriously and like to apply it to the physical world, then do the same with the latter and prove it by having a bunch of men and women stand up in front of the Church during a meeting and strip and then try to make the case that there is neither male or female.

True, in the spiritual sense there is neither Jew nor Gentile in Messiah, but that is not true at the physical level.  There are Jewish Believers and Gentile believers, just like outside the church there are Jews and Gentiles.  

Even Paul, in Romans 9, 10, and 11 is speaking of physical Israel.  He does say that not all of Israel are Israel, that not all have the faith of Abraham which is the distinguishing mark of a "true Jew".  But they, physical Israel, are beloved because of the fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and the promises belong to them.

 

The genders are equal in love, and if he created man to love him, why would he distinguish gender in love? They both have the same love for him.    

The whole point of Israel is for God to have a nation that loves him, to love him we must believe in him (In Christ), and faith doesn't live in the blood, the promise God made to Abraham was the promise of Jesus Christ, through him we are Israel -- there are NO alternatives. The promise of the old covenant is fulfilled through Christ -- nobody is replaced. To become a physical person of God, Christ needs to change your blood and body with his own, which is made perfect, hence that is how we become the children of Abraham, by showing our faith to God just as Abraham did.    

It's not complicated, Christ made sure to make it simple when he said that none may come to the father without him. You can't belong to Israel physically if you don't have faith in Jesus. 

The importance of Israel has ALWAYS been in their faith, not bloodline. Therefor physical Israel is Christianity, it is Christ, to be a Jew is to be a Christian, for the Israelites were Jewish because they BELIEVED. 
 

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