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20 minutes ago, Quasar93 said:

Providing scientific proof for Biblical teachings, seen only in the Scriptures as passing remarks connected with God's creation narrative, is not an evolution accommodation.  An appeal to be awakened to historical scientific facts.  Se additional sources below:

http://hope-of-israel.org/lifeadam.htm

http://kjvbible.org/

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Shalom, Quasar93.

Just more accomodation of a theory that DOESN'T WORK! I don't really care how much data is collected; it's the INTERPRETATION of that data that is in question!

And, LEARN HEBREW from a HEBREW perspective, PLEASE! You don't know what you're talking about when you separate Genesis 1:1 from the rest of the chapter!

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4 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, Quasar93.

Just more accomodation of a theory that DOESN'T WORK! I don't really care how much data is collected; it's the INTERPRETATION of that data that is in question!

And, LEARN HEBREW from a HEBREW perspective, PLEASE! You don't know what you're talking about when you separate Genesis 1:1 from the rest of the chapter!

 

 

It's past time for you to wake up to the facts there are countless others who know and understand, we live on a very old earth, BESIDE me.  The links I provided in my previous post is the tip of the iceberg, there is much more from where those came from. 

 

 

Quasar93 

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17 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, Quasar93.

Just more accomodation of a theory that DOESN'T WORK! I don't really care how much data is collected; it's the INTERPRETATION of that data that is in question!

And, LEARN HEBREW from a HEBREW perspective, PLEASE! You don't know what you're talking about when you separate Genesis 1:1 from the rest of the chapter!

 

And then there was this discovery:  400,000 year old human DNA:

The oldest human DNA ever recovered is throwing scientists for a loop: The 400,000-year-old genetic material comes from bones that have been linked to Neanderthals in Spain — but its signature is most similar to that of a different ancient human population from Siberia, known as the Denisovans.The researchers who did the analysis said their findings show an "unexpected link" between two of our extinct cousin species.

Follow-up studies could crack the mystery — not only for the early humans who lived in the cave complex known as Sima de los Huesos (Spanish for "Pit of Bones"), but for other mysterious populations in the Pleistocene epoch."Ancient DNA sequencing techniques have become sensitive enough to warrant further investigation of DNA survival at sites where Middle Pleistocene hominins are found," the research team, led by Matthias Meyer and Svante Pääbo of Germany's Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology, wrote in Thursday's issue of the journal Nature. ("Hominin" is the currently accepted term for humans and our close evolutionary cousins.)As anthropologists are getting better at extracting DNA from ancient bones, genetic mysteries are cropping up more frequently: Last month, researchers at scientific meetings talked about not-yet-published findings that hinted at interbreeding among Neanderthals, Denisovans and previously unknown populations of early humans.A new standard

The age of the mitochondrial DNA analyzed for the Nature study sets a new standard: Researchers used statistical analysis of the DNA and other samples to estimate that the material was roughly 400,000 years old. That meshed with the estimated age for similar DNA extracted from bear bones found in the same cave.More than 6,000 human fossils, representing about 28 individuals, have been recovered from the Sima de los Huesos site, a hard-to-get-to cave chamber that lies about 100 feet (30 meters) below the surface in northern Spain. The fossils are unusually well-preserved, thanks in part to the undisturbed cave's constant cool temperature and high humidity.


For the complete article:  http://www.nbcnews.com/science/400-000- ... 2D11690925


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11 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, Adstar.

This is a song about the RE-CREATION after the Flood of Noach's day.

If a re-creation was going to happen after the flood then Noah would not have been requiored to build the Arc to carry the animals and His family..   Indeed Noah and the already created world and the universe would not have been requiored..   Since God did direct Noah to do as he did and the post flood world was still teh same planet earth that was created before the flood then a Re-Creation did not happen after the flood..

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13 hours ago, Adstar said:

If a re-creation was going to happen after the flood then Noah would not have been requiored to build the Arc to carry the animals and His family..   Indeed Noah and the already created world and the universe would not have been requiored..   Since God did direct Noah to do as he did and the post flood world was still the same planet earth that was created before the flood then a Re-Creation did not happen after the flood..

Shalom, Adstar.

Okay, you're right. Technically, it is not a "re-baaraa' " ("re-creation"); it's a "re-`aasaah" ("re-making"). The point is that the Flood was the critical moment between "the First Earth and the First Skies" and "the Second Earth and the Second Skies," the First Age and the Second Age.

 

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21 hours ago, Quasar93 said:

 

And then there was this discovery:  400,000 year old human DNA:

The oldest human DNA ever recovered is throwing scientists for a loop: The 400,000-year-old genetic material comes from bones that have been linked to Neanderthals in Spain — but its signature is most similar to that of a different ancient human population from Siberia, known as the Denisovans.The researchers who did the analysis said their findings show an "unexpected link" between two of our extinct cousin species.

Follow-up studies could crack the mystery — not only for the early humans who lived in the cave complex known as Sima de los Huesos (Spanish for "Pit of Bones"), but for other mysterious populations in the Pleistocene epoch."Ancient DNA sequencing techniques have become sensitive enough to warrant further investigation of DNA survival at sites where Middle Pleistocene hominins are found," the research team, led by Matthias Meyer and Svante Pääbo of Germany's Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology, wrote in Thursday's issue of the journal Nature. ("Hominin" is the currently accepted term for humans and our close evolutionary cousins.)As anthropologists are getting better at extracting DNA from ancient bones, genetic mysteries are cropping up more frequently: Last month, researchers at scientific meetings talked about not-yet-published findings that hinted at interbreeding among Neanderthals, Denisovans and previously unknown populations of early humans.A new standard

The age of the mitochondrial DNA analyzed for the Nature study sets a new standard: Researchers used statistical analysis of the DNA and other samples to estimate that the material was roughly 400,000 years old. That meshed with the estimated age for similar DNA extracted from bear bones found in the same cave.More than 6,000 human fossils, representing about 28 individuals, have been recovered from the Sima de los Huesos site, a hard-to-get-to cave chamber that lies about 100 feet (30 meters) below the surface in northern Spain. The fossils are unusually well-preserved, thanks in part to the undisturbed cave's constant cool temperature and high humidity.


For the complete article:  http://www.nbcnews.com/science/400-000- ... 2D11690925


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Shalom, Quasar93.

We don't HAVE "close, evolutionary cousins." What we DO have are "animals" that have similar designs because we have a common Creator!

Tell me, since the "Neanderthal Man" has been found to be an old man with rickets, could you consider that this "new find" might be of the same caliber?

And, what method was used to DATE this find? A cave with "cool temperature and HIGH HUMIDITY" would NOT be conducive to Carbon-14 Dating!

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10 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, Adstar.

Okay, you're right. Technically, it is not a "re-baaraa' " ("re-creation"); it's a "re-`aasaah" ("re-making"). The point is that the Flood was the critical moment between "the First Earth and the First Skies" and "the Second Earth and the Second Skies," the First Age and the Second Age.

 

I can accept the terms first age and second age without any problems Retrobyter.. :D

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11 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, Quasar93.

We don't HAVE "close, evolutionary cousins." What we DO have are "animals" that have similar designs because we have a common Creator!

Tell me, since the "Neanderthal Man" has been found to be an old man with rickets, could you consider that this "new find" might be of the same caliber?

And, what method was used to DATE this find? A cave with "cool temperature and HIGH HUMIDITY" would NOT be conducive to Carbon-14 Dating!

 

On the other hand:

 

Age of the earth and universe methods:

 

https://www.livescience.com/32321-how-is-earths-age-calculated.html

 

The Pre-Adamic Age and origin if Satan:

 

http://www.kjvbible.org/satan.html

 

Review also: Proverbs 8:22-36

 

Reference is made to earth, before there was any oceans, like we read in Rev.21:1, the New Eternal earth will be.

 

 

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On ‎21‎/‎01‎/‎2018 at 2:53 AM, Quasar93 said:

 Scientists scanning the deep interior of Earth have found evidence of a vast water reservoir beneath eastern Asia that is at least the volume of the Arctic Ocean. The discovery marks the first time such a large body of water has found in the planet's deep mantle. [The World's Biggest Oceans and Seas]

The finding, made by Michael Wysession, a seismologist at Washington University in St. Louis, and his former graduate student Jesse Lawrence, now at the University of California, San Diego, will be detailed in a forthcoming monograph to be published by the American Geophysical Union.

Looking down deep

The pair analyzed more than 600,000 seismograms — records of waves generated by earthquakes traveling through the Earth—collected from instruments scattered around the planet. [Image Gallery: This Millennium's Destructive Earthquakes]

They noticed a region beneath Asia where seismic waves appeared to dampen, or "attenuate," and also slow down slightly. "Water slows the speed of waves a little," Wysession explained. "Lots of damping and a little slowing match the predictions for water very well."

Scientists probing the Earth's interior have found a large reservoir of water equal to the volume of the Arctic Ocean beneath eastern Asia. The left figure is a slice through the Earth, taken from the figure on the right, showing the attenuation anomalies within the mantle at a depth of roughly 620 miles. In both images, red shows unusually soft and weak rock believed to be saturated with water, and the blue shows unusually stiff rock (yellow and white show near-average values).
CREDIT: Eric Chou

From: http://www.livescience.com/1312-huge-oc ... earth.html 
 
 

Quasar93 

 

God released the vast reservoir of water as well as the rain to flood the earth during Noah's flood.

Gen 7:11, In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.


Gen 8:2, The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained;


Pro 8:28, When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:

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5 hours ago, Quasar93 said:

On the other hand:

 

Age of the earth and universe methods:

 

https://www.livescience.com/32321-how-is-earths-age-calculated.html

 

The Pre-Adamic Age and origin if Satan:

 

http://www.kjvbible.org/satan.html

 

Review also: Proverbs 8:22-36

 

Reference is made to earth, before there was any oceans, like we read in Rev.21:1, the New Eternal earth will be.

 

 

Quasar92

Shalom, Quasar93 (or 92?)

Radiochemical dating methods ALL have the same challenges.

First, it is ASSUMED at the beginning of a substance's radioactive material is at 100% of what is judged to be the common concentration for that substance, the parent isotope, and that there are NO daughter isotopes present in that substance. That is not only impossible to know, since no one was there to observe the initial amounts, there are many things that could make that different than the average concentration! Since it is indeed an average, there are outliers possible that would significantly change the outcome of the dating calculations.

Second, it is assumed that the radioactive material has a particular half-life that has not changed over the time of the material being dated. Frankly, we don't KNOW if conditions could have changed that yield the current half-life limit but were quite different in the past.

Third, there is the possibility in some conditions for leeching to occur. "Leeching" is when water or gases may permeate the material and carry some of the radioactive material away, changing the apparent age based on the amount of material left!

Fourth, there are LIMITS to how many half-lives are physically measurable. This is one reason why Carbon-14 dating is practically limited to 10,000 years. 

The formula for any first-order radiochemical dating method is ln(N/N0) = -kt. First, one can use the rules of math and known measured values to determine the half-life for the radioactive chemical in question. By inverting this formula, k = - ln(N/N0) / t, and plugging in for N, N0, and t, one can determine k. Then, one can use this "constant," k, to determine the half life,

t1/2 = - ln[(1/2 N0)/N0] / k
t1/2 = - ln[N0/(2 N0)] / k
t1/2 = -ln(1/2) / k

t1/2 = ln 2 / k
t1/2 =
0.693 / k.

Some values that are commonly accepted are as follows:

Uranium-238 has a half-life of 4.47 x 109 years.
Tritium has a half-life of 12.3 years.
Carbon-14 has a half-life of 5.73 x 103 years.
Phosphorus-32 has a half-life of 14.3 days.
Cobalt-60 has a half-life of 5.27 years.
Iodine-131 has a half-life of 8.04 days, and
Plutonium-239 has a half-life of 2.44 x 104 years.

U-238 and Pu-239 are commonly used for dating rocks and C-14 is commonly used for dating organic material.

Nearer stars can be calculated in distance by parallax of the angles to that star's position over the course of a year, but for more distant objects, the distance is calculated by either a Cepheid Variable star that allows it to be used for distance measurements because its period is related directly to its luminosity, the colors and magnitudes of star types, or by the expanding universe. When it comes to dating distant astrophysical objects, it's done PURELY by red-shift/blue-shift in the spectra of hydrogen and helium found in the corona of stars, based on the spectra that are observed from those stars. In the "expanding universe" theory, the farther stars are moving away from us faster than the nearer stars are. So, based on the Doppler Effect of the frequencies of the spectra, one ESTIMATES the distance and the speed of the objects based on that theory. A blue shift means more energy and therefore an approaching star; a red shift means less energy and therefore a receding star. And, the size of the shift dictates the relative distance from our sun to that star.

 

Now, once again, there was NO "Pre-Adamic Age!" Genesis 1:1 is a SYNOPSIS of what is to follow! The first verse is "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." Some versions use the singular word "heaven," but the Hebrew word "hashaamayim" is a dual word. These items, the "heavens" and the "earth" were not so named until Day 2 (Gen. 1:8) and Day 3 (Gen. 1:10), respectively! How can God be talking about a previous "heavens and earth" when He doesn't even NAME THEM until later in the Creation Week? THERE IS NO GAP BETWEEN GENESIS 1:1 AND GENESIS 1:2!

Secondly, the word "shaamaayim" means "the skies" (specifically, the day sky and the night sky), and the word "erets" means "the land" and may refer to the ground and the dirt from which that ground is made, just as "earth" can refer to the dirt, or the land, or the collection of all lands made from the dirt, the habitable planet!

Furthermore, much that is "known" about haSatan is a set of theological conclusions based on spurious interpretations of obscure passages of Scripture, like Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28. Although, technically, they are not truly obscure. Isaiah 14 is about the King of Bavel (Babylon), and Ezekiel 28 is about the king of Tsor (Tyre).

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