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57 minutes ago, Sojourner414 said:

"FUD"...there's a term I haven't seen used in some time! "Fear, Uncertainty and Doom" if memory serves, and it's an accurate descriptor of what we're seeing here, especially given that if a "Christian" is falling away from the Lord, they  didn't know Him in the first place.

And do you have the love of Christ in you to help point another into the right direction?

Oveying people especially others who are in Christ who are trying to show Christ love does not seem loving your brother in Christ Jesus. You just seem hateful all the time towards anything i post.  Hmmm wonder why?

I see that you only ovey my posts, if you only have hate in your heart for me, just leave me alone.  Thanks

and if you can't do that, well lol your must have some kind of hidden crush on me. ti-hi :P

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33 minutes ago, LightShinesInTheDarkness said:

The seven seals, trumpets and bowls all cover the same time period; they are just descriptions of different things that happen during that time period. It's not seven seals, then seven trumpets, then seven bowls; the Revelation just describes different events that are taking place during the same time period in the scriptures about the seals, trumpets and bowls. The events described in all three culminate with a description of the events of the last day (which is the seventh seal, the seventh trumpet, and the seventh bowl), when Christ returns. That's how we know it's the same time period.

And no, the thousand years do not take place after the Tribulation. The events described in Revelation chapters 19-21 are not in exact chronological order.

My suggestion is that you study the Revelation and the other scriptures that speak about the events of the Tribulation and the last day for yourself and ask God to give you the correct understanding of them. I've shared what He's given me to share. I'm not a teacher of these things; that's not what the Lord has called me to do, but rather to warn, exhort and encourage the saints, to prepare them for the things He has made known to me, for their potential benefit. I'm going to point you to Him now, to search out and know the truth for yourself.

May the Lord give you whatever you may need of Him.

I strongly disagree.  That would be calling John a false prophet/teacher as he clearly states in Revelation 8:1-2 that it was after the 7th seal was opened that the 7 angels who had the 7 trumpets appeared.  Not before. 

When He opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour.  And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and to them were given seven trumpets.

There are similarities but they are not the same events.

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31 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said:

Without even using scripture to support my pre tribulation Rapture view, reason this.

The Rapture exactly mirrors in order, a Jewish wedding. Everything from the groom going away to prepare a place for his bride at his fathers house, the father telling his son now is the time to secretly go fetch his bride. The bride waiting patiently for the expected return of her bride groom. To the celebration wedding and wedding feast.

Does it make sense in that traditional Jewish customary wedding, where the groom severely beats the bride up before or after he snatches her away. Does the groom give the bride great tribulation, pain, suffering or try to kill her before he marries her? 

Yes, we are told Christians will suffer tribulations and persecutions in life. But God will not pour out his wrath against us, and that's what the tribulation is all about. Please seriously think about this. 

 

Tribulation is what prepares the Bride for the wedding, which is union with her Bridegroom......if we think she doesn't need preparation then we haven't read this:

Rom 8:17-18

And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; IF SO BE THAT WE SUFFER WITH HIM, that we may be ALSO GLORIFIED TOGETHER.

For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with THE GLORY WHICH SHALL BE REVEALED IN US.

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2 minutes ago, Heleadethme said:

Tribulation is what prepares the Bride for the wedding, which is union with her Bridegroom......if we think she doesn't need preparation then we haven't read this:

Rom 8:17-18

And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; IF SO BE THAT WE SUFFER WITH HIM, that we may be ALSO GLORIFIED TOGETHER.

For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with THE GLORY WHICH SHALL BE REVEALED IN US.

Yeah I can agree with that.

It's referring to the tribulations we Christians will go through as Christians here on Earth, for Christ. It's not wrath, or the punishment of God by any means.

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1 minute ago, Dennis1209 said:

Yeah I can agree with that.

It's referring to the tribulations we Christians will go through as Christians here on Earth, for Christ. It's not wrath, or the punishment of God by any means.

Yes, I agree, tribulation is not His wrath......it's the chastisements the Bride needs to be prepared to be glorified with the Groom......not to lose hope or faint when we are chastised by the Lord.  If ever there was a church that needed persecutions to refine and purify.........it is the spoiled western church.  It will be for our good....that we may partake of His holiness.

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5 minutes ago, Sojourner414 said:
51 minutes ago, 1to3 said:

And do you have the love of Christ in you to help point another into the right direction?

Oveying people especially others who are in Christ who are trying to show Christ love does not seem loving your brother in Christ Jesus.

I see that you mostly ovey my posts, if you only have hate in your heart for me, just leave me alone.  Thanks

When I "oy vey" your posts, it's because I disagree with you on things you say. If disagreement is "hatred" to you, then what do you think when Scripture disagrees with you?

 

"Love" is not agreeing with everything someone says, and a lot of what you say plays quite fast and loose with Scripture. I've seen on this board where when someone tries to gently correct you, you revile them and utterly tear them to pieces, claiming they are "unloving" as well. So, I gave up even trying to say anything to you. Now, you would even take any sort of voice I would have away, and render me "mute".

Is forcing another to agree with you on everything you say "love"?  

What have I wrote in this post to LightShinesInTheDarkness, concerning tribulation that you disagree with?

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7 hours ago, LightShinesInTheDarkness said:

Greetings to all who are in Christ Jesus.

 

I have a difficult but important message to deliver to the saints, which I hope the Lord will grant many to receive, although I know that the majority will reject it. I encourage you to take what I am going to share with you to the Lord—with clean hands and a pure heart before Him (very important)---and to ask Him to confirm to you that these things are in fact true.*

The message is this:

1.       THE PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE IS A LIE/MYTH

 

The Lord is coming back on the last day of the Tribulation, which is also the last day of time, period.

 

He is not coming twice, or during the middle of the Tribulation, and He is not coming in secret. (Matthew 24:27) Every eye will see Him when He returns.

 

At this time, the dead will be raised, and those saints who remain alive on the earth will be changed and caught up to meet the Lord in the air.

 

All Christians will go through the Tribulation, which is for the testing of the faith of the saints (Revelation 3:10), as well as a time of God judging the unsaved world.

 

The persecution of the saints during this time is not the wrath of God, but the wrath of Satan, which is by God’s will and according to His plan. (Revelation 12:17; 13:9,10)

 

The judgments of God will be falling on unsaved people during this time, not on Christians, and Satan will be persecuting the saints during this same time.

 

Matthew 24:29-31. Mark 13:24-27. 1 Cor 15:52. 1 Thess 4:14-17. Rev 1:7.

 

2.       MOST TRUE (NOT FAKE) CHRISTIANS WILL FALL AWAY FROM THE LORD AND BE OVERTHROWN DURING THE TRIBULATION

 

This is because most true Christians are in a state of rebellion against the Lord in this last hour. They know (or could and should know) the commands of the Lord that are given to us in the New Testament, and God’s will, but they are deliberately not keeping them, because they are truly lovers of themselves, lovers of money, lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God, proud, etc. (2 Timothy 3:1-5).

 

They keep some of His commandments and twist, compromise, ignore, or simply refuse to keep others which interfere with what they want or want to do.

 

Partial obedience to what we know we have been commanded and know God wants us to do is not acceptable to God. (1 Samuel 15:10-23. Revelation 2:4-5; 3:1-3.)

 

Therefore, because they refuse to humble themselves and repent and do what He wants them to do, God is going to judge them by giving them into the hand of the antichrist. (Daniel 8:12)

He will not support them in the time of testing and battle---as He never supports rebels---and they will choose to take the mark of the beast in order to save their earthly lives and will perish spiritually.

 

No Christian will be forced to take the mark. All who do will do so by their own free will.

 

(This is the abomination that makes desolate: Christians, the people in whom the Spirit of God dwells, taking the mark of the beast and worshiping his image. They will be left desolate for doing this, just as the temple of the Jews was left to them desolate when God departed from it because they rejected Jesus. (Luke 13:34,35)

 

The antichrist will stand in the place of Christ in His Church, His temple, and among His worshipers, when they worship the beast to preserve their earthly lives---because they have practically rejected Jesus, with their hearts, as evidenced by their works and by their ways---not with their lips or their outward appearance. (2 Timothy 3:5. Mark 7:6-9. Revelation 3:20.)

 

 Unsaved people cannot be made desolate as they are already empty and alone; only true Christians can.)

 

God has already given most of His people dullness of hearing and dimness of sight, for continually rejecting His truths and refusing to listen to Him (in order to have their own way, because they love themselves), so that they cannot recognize that they themselves are fulfilling the sign of the times which precedes the revealing of the antichrist (2 Thessalonians 2:3), and the words of this message sound like nonsense to them. (Luke 8:18)

 

Matthew 24:9,10. Daniel 8:9-14; 7:21; 9:26,27; 12:5-7. Revelation 13:7. 1 Peter 4:17.

 

3.       MOST OF THE SAINTS WHO REMAIN FAITHFUL TO JESUS DURING THE TIME OF TRIBULATION WILL BE MARTYRED, NOT RAPTURED ON THE LAST DAY

 

By God’s own mercy, He will deliver most of the Christians who remain faithful to Him during the Tribulation and do not take the mark of the beast by martyrdom. Some of us will remain on the last day when He returns, but most of us will be killed for our faith. And this (martyrdom) is what those who love the Lord should be preparing their minds for at this time.

 

Jesus asked whether He would find faith on the earth when He returns (Luke 18:8). The answer is: Very little. Most Christians will have either forfeited their salvation or been martyred for their faith by the time He returns. (1 John 2:28)

 

God knows that most Christians don’t have the spiritual strength to endure the trials of the Tribulation for very long (for which reason He also shortened the days of the Tribulation from seven years to approximately three and a half). He will mercifully deliver them from it by providing a way of escape through martyrdom, and He will strengthen them to lay their lives down for Him, because they have washed their robes and have a good heart toward Him.

 

(Being killed for not taking the mark of the beast is not defeat but victory. Taking the mark is being conquered.)

 

It is the saints who wash their robes who will be victorious during the Tribulation. The ones who refuse to do so will fall.

 

Whether by those who need to wash their robes doing so, or by those who refuse to wash their robes being cleaned out---out of the Church and out of the City---God will have a spotless Bride.

 

The only ones who have robes that can be washed are Christians. Our robe is Christ Himself. The unsaved have no robes. (Matthew 22:11-14. Isaiah 61:10.)

 

Revelation 7:9-14; 14:9-13; 17:6; 22:14; 3:4-6.

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This is the important message that the Lord has given me to share with my brothers and sisters in Christ in the very short time left before the Tribulation begins.

 

If you are one of those saints who does not have a good conscience toward God right now, I urge you to do whatever you need to do to make things right with Him and to have peace with Him that He is pleased with you. (1 John 3:19-22)

 

If you do not have this peace, or if you are fearful of death (in a dreadful, guilty way--not merely apprehensive at the prospect), there is something amiss in your walk with the Lord that you need to address, because this should not be the case. (1 John 4:18. Philippians 1:21-23. 2 Corinthians 5:8)

 

I encourage you to be honest with yourself and with Him, and not to let anything prevent you from doing what you know to be His will, no matter what it costs you.

 

Nothing is worth more than Jesus.

 

Wash your robes, so that you may be able to stand in the time of testing, and that you may conquer.

 

May the Lord grant many of you to receive this message, and give you the grace to do His will. (James 4:6-10)

 

The Lord be with you.

~

 

“For the eyes of the LORD run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to give strong support to those whose heart is blameless toward Him.” (2 Chronicles 16:9)

 

~

 

Then I said, “O my lord, what shall be the outcome of these things?” He said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are shut up and sealed until the time of the end. Many shall purify themselves and make themselves white and be refined, but the wicked shall act wickedly. And none of the wicked shall understand, but those who are wise shall understand. (Daniel 12:8-10)

 

~

*Peter exhorts us to pay attention to the prophetic scriptures that pertain to the last days (2 Peter 1:19; 3:1,2). Some of these scriptures have a past and a future fulfillment (a “double fulfillment”); some have already been fulfilled, and some have yet to be fulfilled. Knowing what is what and what pertains to whom requires God-given discernment, not merely a knowledge of what the Bible says.

Keep your theology opinions to yourself. The literal true word of God tells me otherwise.

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23 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said:

Yeah I can agree with that.

It's referring to the tribulations we Christians will go through as Christians here on Earth, for Christ. It's not wrath, or the punishment of God by any means.

The wrath and Judgement of God is in the book of Revelation. There is a warning in the book of Revelation that says a person who gives their own words to this book will be judged harshly.

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14 minutes ago, Sojourner414 said:

When I "oy vey" your posts, it's because I disagree with you on things you say. If disagreement is "hatred" to you, then what do you think when Scripture disagrees with you?

 

"Love" is not agreeing with everything someone says, and a lot of what you say plays quite fast and loose with Scripture. I've seen on this board where when someone tries to gently correct you, you revile them and utterly tear them to pieces, claiming they are "unloving" as well. So, I gave up even trying to say anything to you. Now, you would even take any sort of voice I would have away, and render me "mute".

Is forcing another to agree with you on everything you say "love"?  

I'm married and I take my vows seriously,  tyvm.

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Agreed: John was very specific with the revelation the Lord gave him; similarities do not necessarily indicate things are the same thing.  God has never mashed everything into an unrecognizable "Hodge-podge" of disorder and chaos that made a mess of things. Instead, the Lord has always shown order and planning in everything He does; as with Creation, so too has He done with the End of Days, with everything in a specific order and a careful, deliberate sequence. The Lord revealed everything to John in a specific order, and to say otherwise would negate much of the point of Revelation.

Imagine if none of Revelation were in sequence: would Jesus even return at the end of the Trib? Would the seal, trump and bowl judgments all happen out of order? You'd have the Second horseman (War) run right smack into the censer the angel threw, bounce off his head, smack the angle blowing the third trumpet and cause his trumpet to do a half-gainer right into the sixth angel's bowl, spilling it all over the Whore of Revelation, who then ends up riding the Beast right over the False Prophet, who falls into the Abyss and scatters all the locust hordes who then chase the First Horseman around...

..I think we get the point here. lol

Just a little side note on Revelation and the order of things. I had a little trouble with the order of events until I discovered and noted the 'parenthetical' chapters. That helped out a lot.

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5 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

The wrath and Judgement of God is in the book of Revelation. There is a warning in the book of Revelation that says a person who gives their own words to this book will be judged harshly.

Well no disagreement here missmuffet. Where have a said different? 

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