JoeCanada Posted February 13, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 74 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,238 Content Per Day: 0.55 Reputation: 669 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/26/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) QUASAR 93.......you wrote Posted Thursday at 07:32 AM The "he" who will be taken out of the way, is the one body of Christ, who bear the Holy Spirit within each of us [Eph.1:13-14], the Church of Jesus Christ. My question: Can you show me anywhere in scripture where the church is referred to as "he"?? I've looked right thru the New Testament and have not found it. I have found....'the elect'........'saints'......'church of God'.......'brethren'.......'God's elect'.......'little children'......them that are sanctified'....... BUT NO.....'HE' Can you explain how 'he' , singular......... can mean church, or saints, or brethren....plural? Posted Thursday at 07:32 AM Edited February 13, 2018 by JoeCanada its supposed to be from JoeCanada, not Quasar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeCanada Posted February 13, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 74 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,238 Content Per Day: 0.55 Reputation: 669 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/26/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted February 13, 2018 Quasar 93...... You wrote: "And He will send His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His ELECT from the four winds [Israel - on earth]" In all my years of studying scripture, I have never heard or read anything that refers to ...."Israel - on earth....... being equated to the four winds" That's a new one. Unless you mean ....."His elect- Israel on earth"........ But then again, throughout the new Testament, the 'elect' are a reference to the church.....all the redeemed, which would include the redeemed Jews also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sister Posted February 14, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 17 Topic Count: 50 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,727 Content Per Day: 1.05 Reputation: 2,305 Days Won: 5 Joined: 06/29/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted February 14, 2018 15 hours ago, Davida said: I believe the "he " taken out of the way refers to the person of Holy Spirit that resides in the true believers, it is referring to the rapture of the true church . Davida 2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. The "he" who will be taken out of the way is the Son of Perdition, the False Prophet. God will let this whole thing go through,... this evil plan of Satan, until he (FP) is taken out of the way at the Coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, He is not speaking about the holy spirit being taken out of the way, but the Son of Perdition. He's working for Satan. Satan has been hidden from the unbelieving world since the beginning. The world don't have a clue who he is or what he's up to. When the FP is thrown into the lake of fire at the coming, God will reveal Satan to the world, exposing him for what and who he really is. Satan will be put in prison for a 1000 yrs. Now all truth will be revealed to the world who never knew they were conned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sister Posted February 14, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 17 Topic Count: 50 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,727 Content Per Day: 1.05 Reputation: 2,305 Days Won: 5 Joined: 06/29/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted February 14, 2018 16 hours ago, Davida said: I believe the "he " taken out of the way refers to the person of Holy Spirit that resides in the true believers, it is referring to the rapture of the true church . Davida What about the two witnesses?....Don't they have the holy spirit?? And what about those alive at the coming who will be changed at the twinkling of an eye?....After all the dead in Christ are raised?...Don't they also have the holy spirit? The holy spirit can never be taken away because that same spirit, is the spirit that bears witness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel 11:36 Posted February 14, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,957 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 295 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted February 14, 2018 (edited) It s the holy spirit that will be taken out of the way, but only to the extent to allow for mass human deprivation The Lord's holy spirit is always present Edited February 14, 2018 by Daniel 11:36 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel 11:36 Posted February 14, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,957 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 295 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted February 14, 2018 Amen Davida There are several on this forum who are working incognito for the devil in these last days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAZARD Posted February 14, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 320 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 6,829 Content Per Day: 0.85 Reputation: 3,570 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/16/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted February 14, 2018 There are only three things in the world that hinder lawlessness. They are the church, the Holy Spirit and human governments. The hinderer that will be taken out of the world must refer to these three things. It could not refer to the Holy Spirit and governments for neither will be taken out of the world. It is clear that governments will not be taken for the Antichrist will reign over ten kingdoms during the tribulation, (Dan. 7:23-24; Rev. 17:8-17). The Holy Spirit will be here during the tribulation, so He could not be the hinderer taken (Acts 2:16-21; John 14:16; Rev. 7:14; 12:17; 19:10; Zech. 12:10). The church will be taken out of the world (1 Thess. 4:16; Eph. 5:26-27; 1 Cor. 15:51-58), so this must be the hinderer referred to. If one cannot understand how the church could be referred to as "he," see Eph. 2:15; 4:13 where the church is called a "man." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted February 14, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 14, 2018 25 minutes ago, HAZARD said: There are only three things in the world that hinder lawlessness. They are the church, the Holy Spirit and human governments. WHERE ? If it does, where does the church hinder lawlessness at all ? (and not promote it) Where does the RuachHaKodesh hinder lawlessness on earth ? (anyplace ?) Where do human governments hinder lawlessness ? (thankfully ! ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAZARD Posted February 14, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 320 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 6,829 Content Per Day: 0.85 Reputation: 3,570 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/16/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted February 14, 2018 51 minutes ago, simplejeff said: WHERE ? If it does, where does the church hinder lawlessness at all ? (and not promote it) Where does the RuachHaKodesh hinder lawlessness on earth ? (anyplace ?) Where do human governments hinder lawlessness ? (thankfully ! ) Why don't you read / check every scripture I posted, think about it and you will see. Governments will be here during the trib, the Holy Spirit will be here during the trib, that leaves on one thing that will be removed and that is the church. They will be raptured before the Antichrist is revealed. In 2 Thess. 2:6-8 we have conclusive proof that the church will be raptured preceding the "WEEK" and before the revelation of the Antichrist at the beginning of the 'WEEK". "And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be reveled IN HIS TIME . . . . only he who letteth [hindereth, Isa. 43:13; Rom. 1:3], will let [hinder] until he be taken out of the way. And then shall the wicked be revealed" and not before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel 11:36 Posted February 14, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,957 Content Per Day: 0.57 Reputation: 295 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted February 14, 2018 "Amen brother, we are in the battle until we are raptured right? Our blessed Lord be with You!" No question about it True Christians are saved, both those dead and alive, and these will not enter the coming tribulation period [Revelation 3:10] Do not let those on this forum tell otherwise .... those who do are either false teachers or they have been deceived by the same 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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