one.opinion Posted January 24, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,240 Content Per Day: 2.11 Reputation: 1,356 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted January 24, 2018 I'm not really expecting a great deal of discussion, but I know that several of you that keep an eye on this topic will be interested: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-science-cloning-monkeys/chinese-scientists-break-key-barrier-by-cloning-monkeys-idUSKBN1FD2FF The gist is that scientists in China have conducted the first cloning of a primate. If you're like me, you were probably very interested in Dolly's story about 20 years ago, but the technique, somatic cell nuclear transfer (or SCNT), just now was used successfully in a primate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tristen Posted January 24, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 9 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,352 Content Per Day: 0.63 Reputation: 1,324 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/26/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted January 24, 2018 4 hours ago, one.opinion said: I'm not really expecting a great deal of discussion, but I know that several of you that keep an eye on this topic will be interested: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-science-cloning-monkeys/chinese-scientists-break-key-barrier-by-cloning-monkeys-idUSKBN1FD2FF The gist is that scientists in China have conducted the first cloning of a primate. If you're like me, you were probably very interested in Dolly's story about 20 years ago, but the technique, somatic cell nuclear transfer (or SCNT), just now was used successfully in a primate. Looks like they cheated. They used fetal cells instead of adult somatic cells - so the epigenetics were more likely to line up. They therefore really only cloned monkey fetuses. And they still only got 2 viable monkeys from 127 attempts. It will be interesting to see if they continue to develop normally, and are able to reproduce healthy, viable offspring. It's scientifically cool (though ethically dubious), but a long, long way from bringing "the feasibility of cloning to the doorstep of our own species". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one.opinion Posted January 24, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,240 Content Per Day: 2.11 Reputation: 1,356 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/03/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 24, 2018 52 minutes ago, Tristen said: They therefore really only cloned monkey fetuses. True, but that still doesn’t really make me feel any more hopeful that China will not continue to push in the direction of human cloning. 55 minutes ago, Tristen said: And they still only got 2 viable monkeys from 127 attempts. SCNT was never highly efficient. This may be an even better percentage than some of the early attempts, like Dolly. 57 minutes ago, Tristen said: It will be interesting to see if they continue to develop normally, and are able to reproduce healthy, viable offspring. Absolutely! I think Dolly had normal offspring, but she died somewhat short of normal life expectancy. I believe she also had unusually short telomeres (the “end caps” of chromosomes that shorten throughout life) at the time of her death, suggesting that the fact that she was cloned may have played a factor in her early demise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tristen Posted January 25, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 9 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,352 Content Per Day: 0.63 Reputation: 1,324 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/26/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted January 25, 2018 3 hours ago, one.opinion said: True, but that still doesn’t really make me feel any more hopeful that China will not continue to push in the direction of human cloning. SCNT was never highly efficient. This may be an even better percentage than some of the early attempts, like Dolly. Absolutely! I think Dolly had normal offspring, but she died somewhat short of normal life expectancy. I believe she also had unusually short telomeres (the “end caps” of chromosomes that shorten throughout life) at the time of her death, suggesting that the fact that she was cloned may have played a factor in her early demise. I remember reading about some New Zealand scientists who closed down their over-a-decade-old research into cloning because there was too much death and suffering in the animals (parents and clones). I'd be surprised if someone hasn't already tried to clone humans - but I think we are a long way away from that capacity. A few lucky results don't really make it more plausible in the short term. But it wouldn't surprise me if some immoral group or regime is having a crack anyways. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavedOnebyGrace Posted February 7, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 4,054 Content Per Day: 15.41 Reputation: 5,191 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/30/2023 Status: Online Share Posted February 7, 2018 Why are the Chinese cloning primates with their population being as large as it is? Is the goal to create a "clone" army? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one.opinion Posted February 7, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,240 Content Per Day: 2.11 Reputation: 1,356 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/03/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 7, 2018 4 hours ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said: Why are the Chinese cloning primates with their population being as large as it is? Is the goal to create a "clone" army? I think in their quest for a position of the highest prominence as a nation, the Chinese government encourages cutting-edge research as much as possible, compared to the US and Europe that routinely halt research in certain areas of ethical concern (like embryonic stem cells in the US). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiards Ball Posted March 16, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,502 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 662 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/05/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted March 16, 2018 On 1/24/2018 at 1:06 PM, one.opinion said: I'm not really expecting a great deal of discussion, but I know that several of you that keep an eye on this topic will be interested: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-science-cloning-monkeys/chinese-scientists-break-key-barrier-by-cloning-monkeys-idUSKBN1FD2FF The gist is that scientists in China have conducted the first cloning of a primate. If you're like me, you were probably very interested in Dolly's story about 20 years ago, but the technique, somatic cell nuclear transfer (or SCNT), just now was used successfully in a primate. The big deal isn't the cloning--God will give each a unique soul. The big deal is the people playing God and using cloning to further Down Syndrome-killing styled eugenics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted March 16, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,059 Content Per Day: 7.97 Reputation: 21,388 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted March 16, 2018 It is interesting... I have pondered this verse for some time now in possible connection to this John 3:5 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. KJV this above disputed as to direct meaning- natural birth; Jewish understanding and custom; baptism etc. With natural birth you could see as God against cloning... I always wondered how the antichrist performs the illusion of the mortal wound to convince the multitude of his being god? Cloning would certainly be a possible along with demon possession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unfailing Presence Posted March 16, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 649 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 170 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/26/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted March 16, 2018 Intriguing how man is constantly turning to the animal world in desperately attempting to " advance " himself , both , physically & morally . Animals not being nearly as wicked or depraved . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one.opinion Posted March 16, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,240 Content Per Day: 2.11 Reputation: 1,356 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/03/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 16, 2018 17 minutes ago, Unfailing Presence said: Intriguing how man is constantly turning to the animal world in desperately attempting to " advance " himself , both , physically & morally . Animals not being nearly as wicked or depraved . Although humans are certainly sinful and depraved, I wouldn’t use animals as a comparison. There have been filmed incidents of cannibalism in chimpanzees. I think what you perceive is due to their limited capability, not a higher level of morality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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