Guest Butero Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 10 minutes ago, simplejeff said: Who cares for the sheep ? Who says the sheep aer "with no productivity" ? You must make a living. Even Paul was a tent maker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted February 22, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, Butero said: You must make a living. Even Paul was a tent maker. Notice you deflected from the Scriptural examples of ekklesia (as if they didn't work) , and from the question (didn't answer it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Butero Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 1 minute ago, simplejeff said: Notice you deflected from the Scriptural examples of ekklesia (as if they didn't work) , and from the question (didn't answer it). If you are talking about what Vlad said, that wasn't doctrinal instruction. It just mentioned how some members of the church financed their ministry. I feel confident it would work for a time till the money runs out. I don't believe the church at large did that, just some that were missionaries. Acts is as much a book of church history as giving doctrinal instruction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted February 22, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 22, 2018 I don't know what Vlad said. I didn't ask what you believe. (You posted it frequently.) What does YHVH say in HIS WORD about the money running out ? Hebrews 13:5 Amplified Bible (AMP) 5 Let your character [your moral essence, your inner nature] be free from the love of money [shun greed—be financially ethical], being content with what you have; for He has said, “I will never [under any circumstances] desert you [nor give you up nor leave you without support, nor will I in any degree leave you helpless], nor will I forsake or let you down or relax My hold on you [assuredly not]!” Amplified Bible (AMP) Copyright © 2015 by The Lockman Foundation, La Habra, CA 90631. All rights reserved. Hebrews 13:5 in all English translations 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frienduff thaylorde Posted February 22, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 17 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 13,256 Content Per Day: 5.35 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 62 Joined: 07/07/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1972 Share Posted February 22, 2018 1 hour ago, simplejeff said: I don't know what Vlad said. I didn't ask what you believe. (You posted it frequently.) What does YHVH say in HIS WORD about the money running out ? Hebrews 13:5 Amplified Bible (AMP) 5 Let your character [your moral essence, your inner nature] be free from the love of money [shun greed—be financially ethical], being content with what you have; for He has said, “I will never [under any circumstances] desert you [nor give you up nor leave you without support, nor will I in any degree leave you helpless], nor will I forsake or let you down or relax My hold on you [assuredly not]!” Amplified Bible (AMP) Copyright © 2015 by The Lockman Foundation, La Habra, CA 90631. All rights reserved. Hebrews 13:5 in all English translations And that my friend is why godliness with contentment IS GREAT GAIN. Often men wonder why on earth some of us can have no fear of man, no fear of loss, no fear of persecution . BEING CONTENT WITH GOD ONLY...................AND WE LEARN that HE ALONE IS OUR HELPER no matter what we face . And knowng that creates great BOLDNESS to truly say an bodly say....................I shall not fear man nor what he can do unto me, GOD IS MY HELPER . AMEN . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frienduff thaylorde Posted February 22, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 17 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 13,256 Content Per Day: 5.35 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 62 Joined: 07/07/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1972 Share Posted February 22, 2018 19 hours ago, Butero said: I am a believer in free market capitalism. I want as little government control as possible when it comes to how people do business. I don't even believe in a minimum wage, so you don't have to convince me that socialism/communism is bad. At the same time, in a free society, people should be free to choose to sell all they have and have all things common if they wish. I just don't want anyone forcing me into a system like that. And my friend I am a believer in what JESUS said. it matters not what govt does or what type of govt is the govt could be the most cruel , or the most free. It matters not to me. MY PROMISES are IN CHRIST and HE said In this world you WILL have tribulation . He also said worry not , seek not these things God feeds sparrows............he will you too. SO I just work so I don't lack and have to give to those in need. And even when it all collapses I shall have no fear nor worry. FOR as I said and as JESUS FIRST SAID........................worry not about these things GOD FEEDS sparrows He will you too. it don't matter what form of govt is in power , GOD cannot deny himself , HE cannot fail , and HE cannot LIE So. KNOWING that , I have no worries PEROID and when the time does come that the whole world as one comes against ones like me We who Know the LORD or rather are known of HIM , no fears we abound and shall abound no matter what comes against us no matter what men or man runs this world , no matter what form of tyranny...................we abound in HIM and even in death we have the victory in Christ . SO yeah, I worry not nor concern myself in the matters of earthly kingdoms and men. Kingdoms come and kingdoms go , kingdoms rise and kingdoms fall. BUT THE KINGDOM OF GOD SHALL NEVER FALL . OH its pure peace to KNOW THE LORD . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted February 22, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 22, 2018 12 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said: Often men wonder why on earth some of us can have no fear of man, no fear of loss, no fear of persecution . "12 Therefore Jesus also suffered and died outside the [city] gate so that He might sanctify and set apart for God as holy the people [who believe] through [the shedding of] His own blood. 13 So, let us go out to Him outside the [a]camp, bearing His contempt [the disgrace and shame that He had to suffer]. 14 For here we have no lasting city, but we are seeking the city which is to come." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Butero Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 2 hours ago, frienduff thaylorde said: And my friend I am a believer in what JESUS said. it matters not what govt does or what type of govt is the govt could be the most cruel , or the most free. It matters not to me. MY PROMISES are IN CHRIST and HE said In this world you WILL have tribulation . He also said worry not , seek not these things God feeds sparrows............he will you too. SO I just work so I don't lack and have to give to those in need. And even when it all collapses I shall have no fear nor worry. FOR as I said and as JESUS FIRST SAID........................worry not about these things GOD FEEDS sparrows He will you too. it don't matter what form of govt is in power , GOD cannot deny himself , HE cannot fail , and HE cannot LIE So. KNOWING that , I have no worries PEROID and when the time does come that the whole world as one comes against ones like me We who Know the LORD or rather are known of HIM , no fears we abound and shall abound no matter what comes against us no matter what men or man runs this world , no matter what form of tyranny...................we abound in HIM and even in death we have the victory in Christ . SO yeah, I worry not nor concern myself in the matters of earthly kingdoms and men. Kingdoms come and kingdoms go , kingdoms rise and kingdoms fall. BUT THE KINGDOM OF GOD SHALL NEVER FALL . OH its pure peace to KNOW THE LORD . I did want to say one thing about your post. I agree with what you said about how God will see us through, no matter what kind of government we are living under, from the best to the worst. It is hard to disagree with that. At the same time, it only makes sense that we would be better off living in a free society where we are able to spread the gospel without being thrown in jail. It is better to live in a society where the government doesn't promote things that will bring down God's wrath on our nation. That is why it matter to me what kind of nation we live in. We can certainly trust in God to see us through no matter what, but if for no other reason than having the ability to share Christ without being treated like the early Apostles, most of whom were martyrs, it makes sense to work to elect the best representatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frienduff thaylorde Posted February 23, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 17 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 13,256 Content Per Day: 5.35 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 62 Joined: 07/07/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1972 Share Posted February 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, Butero said: I did want to say one thing about your post. I agree with what you said about how God will see us through, no matter what kind of government we are living under, from the best to the worst. It is hard to disagree with that. At the same time, it only makes sense that we would be better off living in a free society where we are able to spread the gospel without being thrown in jail. It is better to live in a society where the government doesn't promote things that will bring down God's wrath on our nation. That is why it matter to me what kind of nation we live in. We can certainly trust in God to see us through no matter what, but if for no other reason than having the ability to share Christ without being treated like the early Apostles, most of whom were martyrs, it makes sense to work to elect the best representatives. That is why we are to pray for the leaders . I vote for none due to none of them follow God . but pray for them we should. I do pray they repent and come to Christ. Not because of the fear of their persecution . For whether we live or die we are the Lords. its for their SOULS sake I pray they repent and come to Christ . 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Butero Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 27 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said: That is why we are to pray for the leaders . I vote for none due to none of them follow God . but pray for them we should. I do pray they repent and come to Christ. Not because of the fear of their persecution . For whether we live or die we are the Lords. its for their SOULS sake I pray they repent and come to Christ . I fully understand your position, but even leaders that are not Christians and not perfect in many cases have respect for the church, and promote policies that allow the church more freedom. The really wicked politicians will do everything in their power to hinder the church. Look at how the lesbian Mayor of Houston tried to force all the city Pastors to get her approval to deliver their messages, as she was trying to prevent them from speaking out against homosexuality? I try to look at things from a practical perspective when I vote, and look at which candidate will be the best for freedom of the Christian Church and will stand against things that will bring down God's judgment on our nation. I can't imagine what kind of mess we would be in had Hillary Clinton won the Presidency. Imagine the judges she would have appointed? I feel good about having voted for Donald Trump, even though he is far from perfect. It was a no brainer to me, and based on the policies he has advanced, I know it was the right decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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