simplejeff Posted February 22, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 22, 2018 16 hours ago, enoob57 said: A better question: How could God love a heart that for a bowl of soup would trade God's blessings upon the life? Good question - see in Scripture what YHVH says of Esau's heart ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted February 22, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 22, 2018 20 hours ago, n2thelight said: The correct answer is.. A For heretics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted February 22, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 22, 2018 20 hours ago, n2thelight said: Can you not see we were there with Him? This was a known heresy for centuries. Heretics know that, and interpret it falsely that way, as they have done for centuries. https://www.gotquestions.org/pre-existence-of-souls.html Question: "What does the Bible say about the pre-existence of souls?" Answer: The Bible says nothing about the pre-existence of souls because this is a man-made idea with no basis in truth. The Bible makes it clear that every human being is a unique creation of God (Genesis 2:7; Zechariah 12:1; Jeremiah 1:5). Each unique human soul begins at conception (Psalm 139:13–16; Isaiah 44:24) and will continue forever because we are created as eternal beings (Genesis 9:6; Isaiah 40:28; Psalm 102:27; Matthew 25:46). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2thelight Posted February 22, 2018 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,139 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 796 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, simplejeff said: YHVH is perfect in Judgment, and against all heresy (of life before conception, for example). YHVH perfectly knows everyone's heart, remember ? YHVH always knew the sin in everyone's heart, and nothing changes that, ever, even today. YHVH knows the reasons for the heresy being promoted today, each and every heresy. To know someone is because you know them,not because you will know them!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted February 22, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 22, 2018 http://www.answers2prayer.org/bible_questions/Answers/creation/spirits.html Let us see what God’s Word has to say about this. We will start with the proposed text: Jer 1:5 "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations." NIV Does this Bible text mean that we as humans existed as spirits in heaven before we were born? Let us examine this text closely. * “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you”. How can God know someone before he/she is born? There are only two possibilities: a. We existed in another dimension before we are born Or b. God’s foreknowledge makes it possible for Him to know us before we are born. Which one does the prophet mean, and is this confirmed elsewhere in God’s Word? Notice that this verse uses the following words: “Before I formed you in the womb”. In other words before I created you, before you came into being. The text itself leans towards interpretation b: God’s foreknowledge makes it possible for Him to know us before we are born. Foreknowledge does not mean pre-existence of the beings foreknown. Does this concur with the rest of God’s Word? Absolutely! 1. Nowhere in the Bible is there a mention of spirits existing before they are or were born. 2. God foreknew the events of this planet and revealed future events to His prophets: Heb 1:1 “In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways.” NIV However this foreknowledge of events doesn’t mean these events existed before they happened! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2thelight Posted February 22, 2018 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,139 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 796 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 22, 2018 If God,yes I said IF,He knows, why are we going through hell right now?Call me what you want,I really don't care.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted February 22, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 22, 2018 1 minute ago, n2thelight said: To know someone is because you know them,not because you will know them!!! Instead of believing the lie, turn to the truth if YHVH permits. Remember Jesus rebuked Peter, "Satan get behind Me , BECAUSE you think the way of men, not of YHVH!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2thelight Posted February 22, 2018 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,139 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 796 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 22, 2018 1 minute ago, simplejeff said: http://www.answers2prayer.org/bible_questions/Answers/creation/spirits.html Let us see what God’s Word has to say about this. We will start with the proposed text: Jer 1:5 "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations." NIV Does this Bible text mean that we as humans existed as spirits in heaven before we were born? Let us examine this text closely. * “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you”. How can God know someone before he/she is born? There are only two possibilities: a. We existed in another dimension before we are born Or b. God’s foreknowledge makes it possible for Him to know us before we are born. Which one does the prophet mean, and is this confirmed elsewhere in God’s Word? Notice that this verse uses the following words: “Before I formed you in the womb”. In other words before I created you, before you came into being. The text itself leans towards interpretation b: God’s foreknowledge makes it possible for Him to know us before we are born. Foreknowledge does not mean pre-existence of the beings foreknown. Does this concur with the rest of God’s Word? Absolutely! 1. Nowhere in the Bible is there a mention of spirits existing before they are or were born. 2. God foreknew the events of this planet and revealed future events to His prophets: Heb 1:1 “In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways.” NIV However this foreknowledge of events doesn’t mean these events existed before they happened! Back to the question you refuse to answer,who were the sons of God in Job,that sang for joy when God created this earth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted February 22, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 22, 2018 Just now, n2thelight said: If God,yes I said IF,He knows, why are we going through hell right now?Call me what you want,I really don't care.......... If you cared for the truth, if you cared to seek God, you could live in truth instead of in heretical error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n2thelight Posted February 22, 2018 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,139 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 796 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/20/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 22, 2018 1 minute ago, simplejeff said: Instead of believing the lie, turn to the truth if YHVH permits. Remember Jesus rebuked Peter, "Satan get behind Me , BECAUSE you think the way of men, not of YHVH!" You funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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