shapes Posted February 24, 2018 Group: Seeker Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 134 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 12 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/24/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted February 24, 2018 There are many people who believe in Jesus, but they are not convinced that they are saved. They believe that they are going to go to hell instead of heaven. What is going on here? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Blood Bought 1953 Posted February 24, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,726 Content Per Day: 2.88 Reputation: 6,258 Days Won: 5 Joined: 12/03/2017 Status: Offline Popular Post Share Posted February 24, 2018 They do not understand the Source of their Salvation.They are trying to trust “their” performance with its ups and downs instead of the Perfect Performance thAt was finished on their behalf by Jesus on the Cross,shedding His Blood . 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 6 hours ago, shapes said: There are many people who believe in Jesus, but they are not convinced that they are saved. They believe that they are going to go to hell instead of heaven. What is going on here? Believing IN Jesus isn't enough to be saved. You actually have to believe Jesus and what He said and repent of your sin and trust Him as your Lord and Savior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted February 25, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.24 Reputation: 9,760 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted February 25, 2018 42 minutes ago, shiloh357 said: 7 hours ago, shapes said: There are many people who believe in Jesus, but they are not convinced that they are saved. They believe that they are going to go to hell instead of heaven. What is going on here? Believing IN Jesus isn't enough to be saved. You actually have to believe Jesus and what He said and repent of your sin and trust Him as your Lord and Savior. So true! Scripture speaks of this in James 2:19 where believing is not enough. You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingnut- Posted February 25, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 39 Topic Count: 101 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,673 Content Per Day: 1.31 Reputation: 7,358 Days Won: 67 Joined: 04/22/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted February 25, 2018 7 hours ago, shapes said: There are many people who believe in Jesus, but they are not convinced that they are saved. They believe that they are going to go to hell instead of heaven. What is going on here? I think the root of this problem can be found in the modern day version of the altar call. The one on one counseling that was once a customary action has been lost and diminished to singular verses that don't begin to touch on what the true meaning is. For example, belief in and of itself does not meet the standards according to scripture. Here is an example of what I mean. James 2:19 You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder! Luke 4:41 And demons also came out of many, crying, “You are the Son of God!” But he rebuked them and would not allow them to speak, because they knew that he was the Christ. Clearly even these demons know who He is, and believe, but that does not make them saved. So what is it that people are not being told? Hebrews 11 Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. 2 For by it the people of old received their commendation. 3 By faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things that are visible. I highly recommend you invest in a complete reading of Hebrews 11 for further clarification. God bless 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Bought 1953 Posted February 25, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,726 Content Per Day: 2.88 Reputation: 6,258 Days Won: 5 Joined: 12/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted February 25, 2018 7 minutes ago, wingnut- said: I think the root of this problem can be found in the modern day version of the altar call. The one on one counseling that was once a customary action has been lost and diminished to singular verses that don't begin to touch on what the true meaning is. For example, belief in and of itself does not meet the standards according to scripture. Here is an example of what I mean. James 2:19 You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder! Luke 4:41 And demons also came out of many, crying, “You are the Son of God!” But he rebuked them and would not allow them to speak, because they knew that he was the Christ. Clearly even these demons know who He is, and believe, but that does not make them saved. So what is it that people are not being told? Hebrews 11 Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. 2 For by it the people of old received their commendation. 3 By faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things that are visible. I highly recommend you invest in a complete reading of Hebrews 11 for further clarification. God bless Belief in Gods promises is what saves.....the demons decided to believe Satan .....the rest is history... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingnut- Posted February 25, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 39 Topic Count: 101 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,673 Content Per Day: 1.31 Reputation: 7,358 Days Won: 67 Joined: 04/22/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted February 25, 2018 11 minutes ago, Blood Bought 1953 said: Belief in Gods promises is what saves Hebrews 11 covers this as well, it is by faith. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Bought 1953 Posted February 25, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,726 Content Per Day: 2.88 Reputation: 6,258 Days Won: 5 Joined: 12/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 hour ago, wingnut- said: Hebrews 11 covers this as well, it is by faith. 1 hour ago, wingnut- said: Hebrews 11 covers this as well, it is by faith. One chapter where man gets any glory........”heroes of faith”....... I noticed there is no chapter in the Bible about heroes of commandment keepers......can we take away anything from that I wonder? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted February 25, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.24 Reputation: 9,760 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted February 25, 2018 13 minutes ago, Blood Bought 1953 said: 2 hours ago, wingnut- said: Hebrews 11 covers this as well, it is by faith. One chapter where man gets any glory........”heroes of faith”....... I noticed there is no chapter in the Bible about heroes of commandment keepers......can we take away anything from that I wonder? Man does not get the glory at all. Nobody would have this faith if it were not given to them from God. He gets the glory. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingnut- Posted February 25, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 39 Topic Count: 101 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,673 Content Per Day: 1.31 Reputation: 7,358 Days Won: 67 Joined: 04/22/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted February 25, 2018 19 minutes ago, Blood Bought 1953 said: One chapter where man gets any glory........”heroes of faith”....... I noticed there is no chapter in the Bible about heroes of commandment keepers......can we take away anything from that I wonder? I don't see where man gets any glory, so not sure I am following you here. Out of curiosity though, what would be the difference between inferring man gets credit for having faith as opposed to man being credited for belief? I do know scripture says this. Hebrews 11:6 And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who seek Him. And in respect to anyone who draws near to God, again, scripture makes it clear the credit and glory is God's alone. John 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. God bless 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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