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2 hours ago, HAZARD said:

Show me "ONE" Scripture in the entire Bible which teaches anyone has to go to mass, and that it is a mortal sin if we don't?

The 10 Commandment.  I know many people think that keep Holy the Lord's day is going to their kids soccer game, but the Church says it is proper to Worship God.  And intentionally ignoring His commandments is serious."[/quote].

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There is nothing in the ten commandments that command keeping Sunday or going to mass. Here is what Scripture teaches regarding keeping the Sabbath.

Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Romans 14: 5-6, V 5, One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 

No mention of going to mass anywhere in Scripture. You can go to mass every day of the year if you like, but it wont earn you any brownie points with God.

 

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Saul's instructions were about false sabbath keeping and false food doctrines. He never said to ignore the Sabbath of the Lord. The seventh day.

His entreaty was to get the people back on track regarding the Sabbath of the Lord. It came even before there was sin in the world. At the very beginning. Later in so many passages we are told to observe God's Sabbath.

The RCC tried to change this to SUN-day - why? Because they could. God prophesied that they would 'change seasons and times'.

 

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Santa Clause, Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, Sand Man, Purgatory. Nuff said.

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I see Hazard is having more formatting issues on copy and paste.  

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5 hours ago, Concretecamper said:

I see Hazard is having more formatting issues on copy and paste.  

At least I post Scriptures from God's Word to support what I say, not empty words taught by the Pope, priests bishops and cardinals, nuns and brothers.

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The Catholic Church makes up the rules to suite the masses, even if it goes against Gods Word and commands.

Catholic Church

In August 2018, Pope Francis said the Catholic Church was officially opposed to the capital punishment practice in all situations.

 There is what God says about the death penalty.

The Old Testament law's have been done away with when they were fulfilled in Christ and after they had served their purpose. "I am come to fulfill the law . . . one jot or tittle shall no wise pass from the law, till all be fuliflled" (Matt. 5:17-18). "The law prophesied untill John" (Luke 16:16). "All things must be fulfilled which was spoken in the law of Moses" (Luke 24:44). "For the priesthood being changed, there is made necessity a change also of the law" (Heb. 7:12).

What about the death penalty for murder? Has this law been done away with, or was it instituted by God for "Perpetual generations," as an "Everlasting Covenant?"

Many followers of Jesus Christ ask themselves, Is the Death penalty lawful in this age? Do men have the right to change some Law's of God? And, Does God condone the Death Penalty.

If we are believers in the Bible, then we must believe that God instituted the death penalty. Here's why.

When God instituted human government by law after Noah's flood, He gave Noah certain laws by which to govern the human race, and man was then held responsible for self-government (Read Gen. 9:1-7).

There are six very important laws which God gave Noah and his decendants. These Laws were:

(1) "Be fruitful and multply, and replenish the earth" (Gen. 9:1, 7).

(2) "Into thine hand are they [animals] delivered" (Gen. 9:2).

(3) "Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have i given you all things" (Gen. 9:4).

(4) "The blood thereof shall ye not eat" (Gen. 9:4).

(5) "WHOSOEVER SHEDDETH MAN'S BLOOD, BY MAN SHALL HIS BLOOD BY SHED: for in the image of God made he him" (Gen. 9:5-6).

And last but not least;

(6) "I have established my covenant with you . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . FOR PERPETUAL GENERATIONS . . . the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the "EVERLASTING COVENANT" between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth" (Gen. 9:8-17).

These few laws have been the basis of all laws of God and man in every age since the flood of Noah.

It was at this time God constituted capital punishment, and God has never revoked this particular law, "Whosoever sheddeth man's blood, BY MAN shall HIS BLOOD BE SHED (Gen. 9:5-6)." This law will continue as an eternal law, and as is revealed in (Isiah 11:4-9; 65:20-25) it will be in force even during the Millennium.

That this law will be in force during the Millennium is plainly reaffirmed in (Rom. 13:1-6), in which the apostle Paul taught that even in this age of grace, law-enforcement officers are ordained of God, and that they are His ministers to bear "not the sword in vain" but that they are supposed to "execute wrath upon him that doeth evil."

It is totally necessary for human governments to punish criminals according to the crimes committed. Human governments are part of the moral government of God. That God has instituted human governments to help Him secure this end is not only clear in Gen. 9 and Rom. 13, but also in many other passages (Dan. 2:21; 4:17-25; 5:21; 1 Pet. 2:13-14).

All administrators of human government, when they rule contrary to the law of God will be punished in due time by God for mismanagement of their authority. God never sanctions selfish and wicked administration of authority, and if such continues long it will be overthrown. Men are under obligation to obey human government when, and as long as the requirements are not inconsistent with the moral law's of God.

Christians must always obey "every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the King, as supreem; or unto govenors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evil doers, and for the praise of them that do well. For such is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men" (1 Pet. 2:13-17).

Many Christians argue that it is sinful to partake in politics, that it is contrary to the Bible because human government is maintained by force, and that force is contrary with the spirit of the gospel. These are false theories. Human government was instituted by God as shown above, and Christians are commanded in the New Testament to pay taxes and otherwise support government (Read Rom. 13:1-7; 1 Pet. 2:13-17).

Some argue the commandment, "Thou shalt not kill" (Deut 5:17), prevents government from administering capital punishment. The commandment "Thou shalt not kill" means exactly what it says, that men shall not kill any other human being; but, if a man sheds another mans blood, in other words, if a man ignores Deut 5:17, and commits murder, then the everlasting covenant law, "whosoever sheds man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed," comes into being.

This same principle applies to mobs, insurrections, rebellions, and all wars that endanger the best good of being and of the universe. It is the right of government and all of its subjects, to use every possible means to suppress all rebellion and wars, which are merely crime turned loose on a massive scale. That war is necessary under certain circumstances is clear from the fact that moral law permits it and God has commanded it. Earthly governments are God's ministers to execute law upon the ungodly and to preserve moral law and government for the good of all, and they are under obligation to make war, if this is the only way to preserve the best public good for all. We know that elfish and unjust war is wholesale murder and the administrators of such wars will be punished by God in due time.

God, in replenishing the human race after the flood of Noah instituted human government and capital punishment for serious crime involving murder. He has never changed this "everlasting covenant" and so, this is still God's will for men and human governments.

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Purgatory?

This doctrine only serves to people believing in Christ in a shallow way. After all, this induce them to think that, after death, they will have a second chance to go to the heaven, what it isn't truth (Heb 9:27).

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On 3/7/2018 at 2:44 AM, KiwiChristian said:

If purgatory is true then the 'catholic' Christ didn't accomplish anything on the cross, wasted his time and died for nothing. The 'catholic' Christ should have hired a pro instead of doing the job himself. The Christ of Christianity is the Pro. He got the job on the cross done right the first time. And.....He did it for free!

Purgatory is a man-made money-making thing invented by the unbiblical rcc. Heb 1:3 "When He had by Himself PURGED OUR SINS.". Rom 8:1 "There is therefor now NO CONDEMNATION to them that are in Christ Jesus.". Psalms 49:7 "None of them can redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him.". Dont forget Prov 10:12 which never mentions purgatory.  Acts 4:12 "Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”


Listen, we are PURGED OF OUR SINS ( not some, ALL ) by the blood of Jesus Christ. Heb 1:3, Rom 8:1 and John 5:24. Remember "there is no more condemnation when Jesus passed over our sins and paid the ultimate penalty for us." Why didnt the apostles ever discuss purgatory? 2 Cor 5:8 There is no mention of purgatory here. In Luke 16:19-31, Jesus reveals there is a great gulf between hell and paradise that people cannot pass from one to the other. Catholics defend purgatory by quoting the uninspired 2 Mac 12:40-46 where a "sin offering" is offered for dead soldiers who had committed the sin of idolatry. This not only contradicts the Bible, but also catholic teaching, because idolatry is a "mortal sin" that would confine a person to hell. An ex-nun said the only purgatory that exists is the priests' pockets.

There is no where in the Bible that talks of purgatory. It is not biblical. 

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