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The deception of: Works based salvation


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51 minutes ago, Yowm said:

I see it as a gift from God (Acts 11:18) and the flip side of faith, since repentance is a turning away from and faith is a turning to. You can't have true repentance without true faith and visa-versa.

Amen and HalleluYAH !

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4 minutes ago, Davida said:

I don't believe it when a person contends that they alone have received a special teaching by God, Jesus or the Holy Spirit.

I know in who I have believed, and trusted.

"But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me." - John 8:45

 

11 minutes ago, Yowm said:

No need to go to that extreme, let your yes be yes and your no, no.

I believe I have told you the truth. Is it truth? Yes.

"But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me." - John 8:45

"I do not receive honor from men." - John 5:41

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Just now, Davida said:

No one can get "unborn" after they are born again.

Where did I say people can be unborn?! The problem is exactly the opposite: People who think they are born again while they really are not.

 

Satan is a big deceiver.

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3 minutes ago, 4LdKHVCzRDj2 said:

Where did I say people can be unborn?! The problem is exactly the opposite: People who think they are born again while they really are not.

Where does it say this , it is written , in Revelation  ?  "multitudes" deceived today up until judgment, ever since , well,  ever.....

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58 minutes ago, Yowm said:

 

I was making a general statement not even addressing you. Why you felt your need to respond with an abbreviated quote of mine and a faulty assumption you ascribe to me...beats me. :noidea:

FYI, I don't consider repentance a work to be saved. Why do you think that? Maybe it is for you? I see it as a gift from God (Acts 11:18) and the flip side of faith, since repentance is a turning away from and faith is a turning to. You can't have true repentance without true faith and visa-versa.

they do this a lot on the threads at Worthy.... I guess they don't understand that we can speak directly to the topic with no particular person in mind :noidea:  
That's why no quote ... a large clue I would think :happyhappy:  I have had some say it's obvious your talking about them :24:  they've taken mind reading 101 I guess :blink: 

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12 minutes ago, 4LdKHVCzRDj2 said:

I know in who I have believed, and trusted.

"But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me." - John 8:45

 

I believe I have told you the truth. Is it truth? Yes.

"But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me." - John 8:45

"I do not receive honor from men." - John 5:41

Amen.  This is shown every day all around the world - the ones telling the truth are rejected, just as Jesus says happens.

It is not you alone,  no,  nor me alone, no,  nor any of us alone, no,

but Ekklesia and everyone everywhere who seeks the TRUTH and who stands up for the TRUTH ! 

The world (of darkness) hates the TRUTH, just as it hates JESUS, and will do so until the world (of darkness) is destroyed or overcome when Jesus returns, at least.

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Just now, Davida said:

You are the one that said people can "Lose their salvation".

They can lose while they are not born of the Spirit.

"This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me
    I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day." - John 6:39

 

That is why people turn away and do not return, they are not His sheep. And if they are not His, they will lose salvation.

That is why they encourage people so much to stay in the faith, because the enemy will deceive those who are not His.

"Yet they will by no means follow a stranger, but will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers." - John 10:5

 

Why those who are His will not lose salvation?!

"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me." - John 10:27

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7 minutes ago, Davida said:

You are the one that said people can "Lose their salvation".  The Bible doesn't say that. I believe the scripture completely, but I do not agree with your spin on scripture though. Imo, making those types of self- cursing oaths doesn't make your opinion sound more righteous btw, but more suspect.

When people come to you professing to be true and then do what the Bible says not to do ... it is an ah oh! moment :) 

James 3:12-13
12 Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.
13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
KJV
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2 hours ago, simplejeff said:

THIS IS THE POINT Wayne!  YES !  REPEAT THIS!   And do not just say this, DO THIS - DO GOOD WORKS!

Love in truth, not just in words. 

As JESUS said "DO the will of the Father in heaven, do NOT just be hearers and not doers" ...

 

sorry, those works don't save you, and it's off the topic..

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3 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

When people come to you professing to be true and then do what the Bible says not to do ... it is an ah oh! moment

God forgive me, in the name of the Lord Jesus.

 

I just pray that your eyes are opened to the truth. Sorry!

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