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On 4/15/2018 at 11:17 AM, Daniel 11:36 said:

The 7th trumpet is a judgement trumpet

The 8th trumpet is the last one [Matthew 24:31]

This is specifically written to Israel in Matthew 24

Get it in your head that the Lord's discourse is about Israel

 

What you need to do is figure out who's Israel.

 

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On 3/27/2018 at 10:28 AM, Daniel 11:36 said:

No .... this is the last trumpet blown after the tribulation is over

There are 7 tribulation trumpets .... the 8th comes next

Which is the 7th and last

You say the 8th comes next,where in scripture?

There are no trumpets that sound after the millennium

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"You say the 8th comes next,where in scripture?"

 

Matthew

24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

This is for Israel .... Matthew 24 is specifically about Israel in the Lord's discourse 

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13 hours ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

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16 hours ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

"You say the 8th comes next,where in scripture?"

 

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24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

This is for Israel .... Matthew 24 is specifically about Israel in the Lord's discourse 

That's the 7th and last trump.What your suggesting is a trump after the millennium,which is not true

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No the 8th trumpet is immediately after the tribulation of those days

You are wrong

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On 4/16/2018 at 11:00 PM, n2thelight said:

I'm not talking becoming,I'm saying

Revelation 11:15 "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of Our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."

Why is it dangerous? Are we gonna have 2 instances of being changed from physical to spiritual?No we are not,it happens once,at that's at the 7th and last trump!

Please show me scripture that says the last  trump is after the millennium.

The Kingdoms are in process.  The prophet Isaiah teaches us of Jesus and His work.  Isaiah 9: 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

The increasing government is the process of the kingdoms of this world becoming the Kingdom of our Lord and His Christ.

The danger is not paying attention to the curse.  Revelation 22: 18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

If you try to add a resurrection where there in not one, are you not adding to the words of the prophecy of this book?

The last trumpet is not specifically mentioned at the end of the Millennium but it is on the last day when the dead are raised.  John tells of two resurrections.  Revelation 20:   4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The first resurrection is a limited resurrection.  The first resurrection is only of those who have been beheaded for the witness of Jesus who have not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands: these are raised to reign.  The rest of the dead which includes everybody else not in this category are not raised until the end of the thousand years.   How many resurrections do you feel comfortable adding?

 

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There are two .... the resurrection of today's believers.... and the resurrection of those who die in the tribulation period

If you cannot tell the difference that is your problem

 

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6 hours ago, seeking the lost said:

The Kingdoms are in process.  The prophet Isaiah teaches us of Jesus and His work.  Isaiah 9: 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

The increasing government is the process of the kingdoms of this world becoming the Kingdom of our Lord and His Christ.

The danger is not paying attention to the curse.  Revelation 22: 18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

If you try to add a resurrection where there in not one, are you not adding to the words of the prophecy of this book?

The last trumpet is not specifically mentioned at the end of the Millennium but it is on the last day when the dead are raised.  John tells of two resurrections.  Revelation 20:   4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The first resurrection is a limited resurrection.  The first resurrection is only of those who have been beheaded for the witness of Jesus who have not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands: these are raised to reign.  The rest of the dead which includes everybody else not in this category are not raised until the end of the thousand years.   How many resurrections do you feel comfortable adding?

 

Where do you get kingdom in process?Scripture says are become,and that happens at the 7th and last trump.Everything is becoming(since the garden) if you wanna go that way.

Let's do this resurrection thing

You along with all other rapturist seem to think those that come back with Christ have been raptured,that's far from the truth

Revelation 6:10 "And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord [Master], holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth."

Revelation 6:11 "And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled."

The above group were not raptured,they died,and are now in Heaven,these are who Christ brings back with Him

The problem you have is with the dead

Revelation 20:12"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."
 

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Notice there are two sets of books here. The first called "The Books" is to judge the unsaved. The second is the "Book of Life" where only the names of the saved are recorded. The saved have had their sins removed from God's judgment and booted out. Though they were committed, the blood of Christ has covered them from being used against us.

Notice how all souls are judged "according to their works". Does it talk about faith here after the Millennium? No. The "great white throne judgment" will not take faith into consideration. The first resurrection takes faith into consideration. That was back on "the Lord's day". That was Jesus Christ's "great day". On the last day of the Millennium age, souls are judged by works only.

Why are you judged for works only? Faith is something hoped for but unseen. You don't see Jesus Christ on earth today, you will see his wonderful works, and be led by Him and His Spirit in the Millennium age. Today He is in heaven and not walking on this earth. However, in the millennium, He will be on earth, and all will have full intelligence, with full recall and will be taught. The Heavenly Father honors all those with grace, that have accepted His Son by faith through repentance without Christ's physical presence here on earth, if you believed in His Word.

To those who are not under grace in the Millennium, their salvation will be only through and by their works. For faith doesn't exist to them. There will be no ignorance, physical handicap, for you will see, know, and experience Our Lord first hand.

If you follow the Antichrist, the first Christ to appear, you will have forfeited your salvation in this earth age. You will not be under the grace of God, and your works will be the only thing that matters on the last day of the Millennium, the day of judgment. They will be judged by works alone, for they have seen Jesus Christ, and are without excuse. The "rapture theory" leaves believers defenseless against Satan, for they will be taken in by Satan's deceptions.

https://www.theseason.org/revelation/revelation20.htm


 

Let me ask a question before I continue,do you think flesh and blood will be in the millennium?

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7 hours ago, seeking the lost said:

The danger is not paying attention to the curse.  Revelation 22: 18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

Thinking you should take your own advice,especially quoting a book that you all not gonna be here to see

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