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7 hours ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

No they are not .... Israel is still the focus  

Ok, so let me get this straight.

Mathew 24 has no relevance for the church, because Israel is the FOCUS???

Jesus, the all-knowing God,............. knowing that Israel would reject Him and the Gospel, gave end time signs which was ONLY for Israel????

And the first sign He gave was ...."For many shall come in my name saying, I am Christ.......".....Israel rejected Christ, so what relevance is this sign???

"Then if any man say unto you, Lo, here is the Christ, or there, believe it not...."     They don't believe to begin with....

" For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very ELECT"............

So because you say that Israel is the FOCUS of Mathew 24, then are you also saying that Israel is the ELECT?????..........But Israel is deceived to begin with, so why would they need great signs and wonders to deceive them?????

"And this GOSPEL of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations, and then the end shall come"

They have never believed the Gospel!!!

 

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But 1/3 of Israel will believe during the coming tribulation period

This is who Jesus is speaking about in His discourse .... the 70th week decreed for them

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On 06/05/2018 at 12:30 AM, JoeCanada said:

Hi seeking the lost,

"Are you suggesting that this happens every year at the sounding?"

No, of course not. Throughout history, it was the High Priest who blew the long trumpet blast when the 2 witnesses announced the sighting of the new moon, on Yom Teruah, or Feast of Trumpets. On this last Feast of Trumpets, it will be God who blows the trumpet, signalling the resurrection, the rapture and the start of the year long Day of the Lord. If we look at Num 10:9, the trumpet blast was an alarm:

And if ye go to war in your land against the enemy that oppresseth you, then ye shall blow an alarm with the trumpets; and ye shall be remembered before the Lord your God, and ye shall be saved from your enemies.

You said......"I would suggest that while your last trumpet of Yom Teruah is accurate that there remains one last trumpet after which there will be no other trumpet.  At the sound of this last trumpet dead rise,etc."

If you are referring to the last of the seven trumpets blown by an angel in Rev 10:7........ this series of trumpets are part of God's wrath, beginning at the first trumpet in Rev 8:7. And scripture tells us that we are not subject to Gods wrath.....

For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,......1Thes 5:9

 

Actually God's wrath begins at the 7th trumpet, hence why we get the bowls of wrath.

 

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On 05/05/2018 at 5:30 PM, seeking the lost said:

.  Adding a resurrection and a rapture at the seventh trumpet is adding to the text. 0

Could you explain what this means 

Rev 11:18

The time has come for judging the dead,

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On 07/05/2018 at 3:03 AM, Daniel 11:36 said:

But 1/3 of Israel will believe during the coming tribulation period

This is who Jesus is speaking about in His discourse .... the 70th week decreed for them

So youre saying....Jesus speaking to his disciples is not His Church for 51 verses concerning events in the future and we are to believe that this chapter doesn’t apply to the Church?

Is Christ speaking to Pharisees? To conclude that his disciples are not the church?

 So for all intents and purposes as far as the church is concerned we should disregarded Matthew 24?

 

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The Lord is speaking to Israel in His Olivet discourse

His message to the "church" is a different matter which came shortly after

For example, Peter did not know about the church until later .... he had to be shown about the Gentiles

He does tell about the world in His discourse, but His focus is upon Israel

It is significant to know this

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On 08/05/2018 at 6:53 PM, Daniel 11:36 said:

The Lord is speaking to Israel in His Olivet discourse

His message to the "church" is a different matter which came shortly after

For example, Peter did not know about the church until later .... he had to be shown about the Gentiles

He does tell about the world in His discourse, but His focus is upon Israel

It is significant to know this

Then you have a problem

But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[f] but only the Father. 37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.

42 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

45 “Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time?46 It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns. 47 Truly I tell you, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48 But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’ 49 and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50 The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. 51 He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Then that is not addressed to the church as that is part of the of the original question when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”

Then this is clearly also not for the church since Israel is the only one told to keep watch and not the church.

25 “Then the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. Now five of them were wise, and five were foolish. Those who were foolish took their lamps and took no oil with them, but the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. But while the bridegroom was delayed, they all slumbered and slept.

“And at midnight a cry was heard:‘Behold, the bridegroom is coming;[a] go out to meet him!’ Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ But the wise answered, saying, ‘No, lest there should not be enough for us and you; but go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.’ 10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut.

11 “Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open to us!’ 12 But he answered and said, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.’

13 “Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour[b] in which the Son of Man is coming

 

So what we have now is Israel is taken and the church is left behind as Christ doesn't know the church.

 

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Both Israel and the church are told many things, but the Lord's discourse is given to Israel

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6 hours ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

Both Israel and the church are told many things, but the Lord's discourse is given to Israel

What is the church told?

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On 5/7/2018 at 10:42 PM, inchrist said:

Could you explain what this means 

Rev 11:18

The time has come for judging the dead,

Greetings inchrist:

The time has come and the progression is sure but the resurrection has not come and will not come until the end of the thousand years.  I see the first resurrection identified as happening at the end of the tribulation and at the beginning of the thousand years (Rev 20:4-6).  The implication is that there is not a resurrection before the first resurrection and therefore no actual judging.  At the first resurrection there is not a judgement and only the tribulation martyrs are raised.  They are raise to reign.

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