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1 hour ago, Last Daze said:

When was the first trump?

The very first trump blown by God is in Exodus. I couldn't find one before that...

So it came about on the third day, when it was morning, that there were thunder and lightning flashes and a thick cloud upon the mountain and a very loud trumpet sound, so that all the people who were in the camp trembled….

Now Mount Sinai was all in smoke because the LORD descended upon it in fire; and its smoke ascended like the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mountain quaked violently. When the sound of the trumpet grew louder and louder, Moses spoke and God answered him with thunder. (Ex 19:13-19)

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56 minutes ago, JoeCanada said:

The very first trump blown by God is in Exodus. I couldn't find one before that...

So it came about on the third day, when it was morning, that there were thunder and lightning flashes and a thick cloud upon the mountain and a very loud trumpet sound, so that all the people who were in the camp trembled….

Now Mount Sinai was all in smoke because the LORD descended upon it in fire; and its smoke ascended like the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mountain quaked violently. When the sound of the trumpet grew louder and louder, Moses spoke and God answered him with thunder. (Ex 19:13-19)

I agree.  Where do you see Zechariah 9:14 fitting in?  Is it the last?

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10 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

The very first trump blown by God is in Exodus. I couldn't find one before that...

So it came about on the third day, when it was morning, that there were thunder and lightning flashes and a thick cloud upon the mountain and a very loud trumpet sound, so that all the people who were in the camp trembled….

Now Mount Sinai was all in smoke because the LORD descended upon it in fire; and its smoke ascended like the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mountain quaked violently. When the sound of the trumpet grew louder and louder, Moses spoke and God answered him with thunder. (Ex 19:13-19)

Gonna switch it up for a sec,just for a second

When I say Israel has always been the Church,you all(rapturist)say Old Testament had nothing to do with it,yet now you bring in the trumpet from the Old,makes no sense ,seems you all pick and choose

 

Anyway ,will explain the last and the 7th in a sec

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"When I say Israel has always been the Church,you all(rapturist)say Old Testament had nothing to do with it,yet now you bring in the trumpet from the Old,makes no sense ,seems you all pick and choose"

 

Some of the prophecies in the OT are complete .... but some are still pending and waiting for the 70th week decreed for Israel

You have problems with what has happened and what is still to come

You also need to know that Israel is not the Church

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3 hours ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

Some of the prophecies in the OT are complete .... but some are still pending and waiting for the 70th week decreed for Israel

You have problems with what has happened and what is still to come

You also need to know that Israel is not the Church

Revelation 11:15 "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of Our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."

Kingdom comes right?

I Thessalonians 4:16 "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with a voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first;"

I Corinthians 15:52 "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

Changed to what?Our spiritual bodies ,correct?

 

We can't be changed until He returns,and there are no multiple changes...

 

As for Israel,what  will Christ be at His return,Israel or the Church?

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okay,if the last trump is not the 7th,what's the difference?

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The 7th judgment trumpet sounds during the tribulation period as the last judgment 

But the 8th trumpet will sound for Israel just after the tribulation period [Matthew 24:29-31]

Matthew 24 is all about Israel

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On 3/20/2018 at 9:07 AM, Last Daze said:

When was the first trump?

As Joe Canada correctly stated, at Mount Sinai. The tradition Paul seems to be following dates back to Abraham. He was  reputed to have cut off the horns of the ram slain in place of his son Isaac on Mount Moriah, where Jesus was also crucified. He made shofars from the two horns: the First was blown to announce God's Judgment from Mount Sinai, and the Last will be blown to announce God's Judgment from heavenly Mount Zion.

Two horns (only) for the two great judgments. Has nothing whatsoever to do with the 7 trumpets of Revelation, which Paul knew nothing about. (Where is anyone's evidence for that belief? No such evidence is found in the Bible, it is all merely speculation. Likewise for the shofar of Zech. 9:14.)

Note that Paul spoke about the Last Trumpet to the Church without explanation, as if his audience would have understood the context of his message. (Paul was not shy about explaining new teachings.) The ancient prophecy of the first and last shofars had undoubtedly been passed on to the Corinthian Church by Paul and other Jewish elders, because the Church in those days was expecting the Lord’s Coming soon.

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On 3/15/2018 at 3:15 AM, n2thelight said:

Paul says we gather to Christ at the last trump,how can the 7th of Rev,not be the last?

It looks to me like you are going by a simple attempt at connecting two separate occurrences by their similar use of the word "trump". You equate the 7th trump in Revelation as being "the last" and therefore it's the same as "the last trump" in the Corinthian text.

But there's no supportive study behind your assumption.

Read the context of each text. Notice that they both occur at different timeframes. The text in Corinthians is referring to the last trump which is a Jewish observance that occurs each year throughout the entire church age, while the 7th trump occurs once in it's due time during the Tribulation.

The gathering of Christ is a specific term or phrase that is used in the same way that we speak of the rapture of the church.

The last trump is a reference to the specific blowing of the shofar horn during the observance of the Jewish Feast of Trumpets. The last trump is the final note within a series of notes that are blown. The last note is sustained for as long as the person has breath. [find a video and listen to the series of notes, then the last note].

According to the Jewish information, that last note is in connection with the resurrection of the dead as Paul writes of in Thessalonians. Each observance of the Feast of Trumpets is a rehearsal until the actual fulfilling of that Feast.

The seventh trumpet of Revelation has it's own surrounding circumstances. The trumpet sound is only an alert that herald's the circumstances that occur. That 7th trump being last in the series of 1-7 has no connection with "the last trump" blown at the Feast of Trumpets.

This is just a small amount of the information that needs to be studied in order to get a full understanding.

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Okay let's look at them all

I Corinthians 15:52 "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

I Thessalonians 4:16 "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with a voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first;"

Revelation 11:15 "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of Our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."

Matthew 24:31 "And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

All of the above are the last,all are speaking of the same event....

All ends this earth age

 

 

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