Last Trump vs The Seventh

[n2thelight]

On 4/2/2018 at 6:12 PM, seeking the lost said:

The seventh of Rev. is the last of the series of trumpets but it is not the last trumpet that is followed by the resurrection.  The last trumpet is the one after which there will be no other.  The Last day that Jesus spoke of will be the day of the last trumpet. 

 

John 6:44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day.

Rev: 20:4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God.They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

The resurrection and the last trumpet are linked in such a way.  Last day, last trumpet, and resurrection are on the same day.  This day will be the end of human history as we know it.

The last of what series?

[n2thelight]

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Edited April 4, 2018 by n2thelight

[seeking the lost]

7 hours ago, n2thelight said:

The last of what series?

The subject at hand is a question about the seventh trumpet of the seven trumpets whether or not the seventh trumpet is the last trumpet.

The Trumpets

6 Then the seven angels who had the seven trumpets prepared to sound them.

7 The first angel sounded his trumpet, and there came hail and firemixed with blood, and it was hurled down on the earth. A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up.

8 The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood, 9 a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.

10 The third angel sounded his trumpet, and a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the sky on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water— 11 the name of the star is Wormwood.[a] A third of the waters turned bitter, and many people died from the waters that had become bitter.

12 The fourth angel sounded his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them turned dark. A third of the day was without light, and also a third of the night.

13 As I watched, I heard an eagle that was flying in midair call out in a loud voice: “Woe! Woe! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth, because of the trumpet blasts about to be sounded by the other three angels!”

Revelation 9 New International Version (NIV)

9 The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. 2 When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss. 3 And out of the smoke locusts came down on the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth. 4 They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. 5 They were not allowed to kill them but only to torture them for five months.And the agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpionwhen it strikes. 6 During those days people will seek death but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them.

7 The locusts looked like horses prepared for battle. On their heads they wore something like crowns of gold, and their faces resembled human faces. 8 Their hair was like women’s hair, and their teeth were like lions’ teeth. 9 They had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses and chariots rushing into battle. 10 They had tails with stingers, like scorpions, and in their tails they had power to torment people for five months. 11 They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon and in Greek is Apollyon (that is, Destroyer).

12 The first woe is past; two other woes are yet to come.

13 The sixth angel sounded his trumpet, and I heard a voice coming from the four horns of the golden altar that is before God. 14 It said to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, “Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates.” 15 And the four angels who had been kept ready for this very hour and day and month and year were releasedto kill a third of mankind. 16 The number of the mounted troops was twice ten thousand times ten thousand. I heard their number.

17 The horses and riders I saw in my vision looked like this: Their breastplates were fiery red, dark blue, and yellow as sulfur. The heads of the horses resembled the heads of lions, and out of their mouths came fire, smoke and sulfur. 18 A third of mankind was killed by the three plagues of fire, smoke and sulfur that came out of their mouths. 19 The power of the horses was in their mouths and in their tails; for their tails were like snakes, having heads with which they inflict injury.

20 The rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons,and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood—idols that cannot see or hear or walk. 21 Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts,their sexual immorality or their thefts.

This is the context of my answer.  1 Corinthians 15 gives the events surrounding the last trumpet.

 

50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”[h]

55 “Where, O death, is your victory?
    Where, O death, is your sting?”

The seventh trumpet which is the last in a series of seven does not speak of a resurrection in association with it.  My conclusion the seventh trumpet is not the last trumpet of the last day which is followed by the Resurrection of the dead.

[n2thelight]

On 4/4/2018 at 10:50 AM, seeking the lost said:

This is the context of my answer.  1 Corinthians 15 gives the events surrounding the last trumpet.

 

50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”[h]

55 “Where, O death, is your victory?
    Where, O death, is your sting?”

The seventh trumpet which is the last in a series of seven does not speak of a resurrection in association with it.  My conclusion the seventh trumpet is not the last trumpet of the last day which is followed by the Resurrection of the dead.

When do the kingdoms of this world become Christ's?

Revelation 11:15 "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of Our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."

At the 7th and last trump!

 

[Daniel 11:36]

The 7th trumpet is a judgement trumpet

The 8th trumpet is the last one [Matthew 24:31]

This is specifically written to Israel in Matthew 24

Get it in your head that the Lord's discourse is about Israel

 

Edited April 15, 2018 by Daniel 11:36

[seeking the lost]

10 hours ago, n2thelight said:

When do the kingdoms of this world become Christ's?

Revelation 11:15 "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of Our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."

At the 7th and last trump!

 

greetings n2thelight

The Kingdoms of this world are becoming His now and will be pronounced as His at the sound of the seventh trumpet as you have pointed out.  The Bible does not call the seventh trumpet the last trumpet and it is dangerous to make that assumption.  None of the events that are mentioned in 1 Cor. 15 happen at the seventh trumpet.  The last trumpet sounds, the dead are raised, those alive are caught up in the air and changed.  This does not happen at the seventh trumpet.  The last trumpet is some 1000 years plus, after the seventh trumpet.

[Quasar93]

On 3/15/2018 at 3:15 AM, n2thelight said:

Paul says we gather to Christ at the last trump,how can the 7th of Rev,not be the last?

 

Reference to the "last trump" by Paul, in 1 Cor.15:52, is to God, not by the angels in the 7 trumpet judgments in Rev.  There is one in 1 Thess.4:16, when Christ comes for His Church and another one at Jesus second coming, seven years later, in Zech,9:14,  The one in 1 Cor.15:52 pertains to the first resurrection, in Rev.20:4.

 

Quasar93

[Daniel 11:36]

"Reference to the "last trump" by Paul, in 1 Cor.15:52, is to God, not by the angels in the 7 trumpet judgments"

 

This is true .... it is the 8th trumpet after the tribulation period for Israel that is spoken of

[n2thelight]

On 4/15/2018 at 2:29 PM, seeking the lost said:

greetings n2thelight

The Kingdoms of this world are becoming His now and will be pronounced as His at the sound of the seventh trumpet as you have pointed out.  The Bible does not call the seventh trumpet the last trumpet and it is dangerous to make that assumption.  None of the events that are mentioned in 1 Cor. 15 happen at the seventh trumpet.  The last trumpet sounds, the dead are raised, those alive are caught up in the air and changed.  This does not happen at the seventh trumpet.  The last trumpet is some 1000 years plus, after the seventh trumpet.

I'm not talking becoming,I'm saying

Revelation 11:15 "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of Our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."

Why is it dangerous? Are we gonna have 2 instances of being changed from physical to spiritual?No we are not,it happens once,at that's at the 7th and last trump!

Please show me scripture that says the last  trump is after the millennium.

[n2thelight]

9 hours ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

"Reference to the "last trump" by Paul, in 1 Cor.15:52, is to God, not by the angels in the 7 trumpet judgments"

 

This is true .... it is the 8th trumpet after the tribulation period for Israel that is spoken of

Where the heck did you get an 8th trump,and where is it in scripture?