Salvation, Doctrine and Rightly Dividing - MAD

[Gentle-Warrior]

3 hours ago, Godismyloveforever said:

What's up with the mile long posts with just one letter per line?

I don't know. Did you get a chance to look at the link? 

[patrick jane]

On 8/31/2019 at 7:38 PM, Gentle-Warrior said:

I don't know. Did you get a chance to look at the link? 

Nobody cares about your lying link.

[Gentle-Warrior]

6 hours ago, patrick jane said:

Nobody cares about your lying link.

Afraid of the truth? I thought so. 

[Justin Adams]

Oh boy. What a lot of words! If you do not understand the Tanach you will not understand the apostles' accounts. God ALWAYS had a plan to Redeem the whole world. "All Israel will be saved" is Saul's theological affirmation. He knew the Tanach and other writings intimately. He had been to the Council. He knew the plan.  That means ALL that Believe on the Lord Yeshua/Jesus shall be saved whether Israeli or non Israeli; all of the believers on the Lord Yeshua/Jesus shall be saved. That is it.

Edited September 5, 2019 by Justin Adams

[Gentle-Warrior]

On 9/5/2019 at 9:36 AM, Justin Adams said:

Oh boy. What a lot of words! If you do not understand the Tanach you will not understand the apostles' accounts. God ALWAYS had a plan to Redeem the whole world. "All Israel will be saved" is Saul's theological affirmation. He knew the Tanach and other writings intimately. He had been to the Council. He knew the plan.  That means ALL that Believe on the Lord Yeshua/Jesus shall be saved whether Israeli or non Israeli; all of the believers on the Lord Yeshua/Jesus shall be saved. That is it.

It depends what God calls "all Israel" as opposed of what you believe what the word of God means.

[patrick jane]

Israel’s Future Salvation

 

By Justin Johnson

Today Israel is not enjoying their covenanted political status over the Gentiles and has fallen from their spiritual status before God.

 

This has led some to think that they will not be reestablished in their former position.

 

During Paul’s ministry the Romans knew that Israel was promised a kingdom where they would reign over the Gentiles. Christ had come, but Israel’s salvation had not. They began to doubt whether the promises to Israel would have any real effect.

 

This is far from the truth! Paul dispels this idea in chapters 9, 10, and 11 of Romans beginning with, “Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect.” – Romans 9:6

 

Perhaps they reasoned as Covenant theologians today that God had replaced Israel with the Gentile church and that the ‘eternal’ covenants made with Israel were indeed only temporary.

 

Also like Covenant theologians today these Romans needed a better understanding of the mystery information given to Paul.

“For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. “ – Romans 11:25

 

Some Romans may have thought that God had cast away Israel, his people, forever. – Romans 11:1

 

Contrarily Paul teaches that their blindness is only temporary and will only last “until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.” – Romans 11:25

 

Just as natural branches will be graffed back into their own tree so “all Israel shall be saved: as it is written.” – Romans 11:26

 

Though Gentile salvation in this dispensation is a glorious manifestation of the grace of God, the fullness of times will be greater still.

“Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?” – Romans 11:12

[Justin Adams]

10 hours ago, Gentle-Warrior said:

It depends what God calls "all Israel" as opposed of what you believe what the word of God means.

Ahh, so you KNOW what God meant, whereas I do not. Typical of your posts. See Patrick Jane's post. (above)

Edited September 8, 2019 by Justin Adams

[Gentle-Warrior]

On 9/8/2019 at 1:54 AM, Justin Adams said:

Ahh, so you KNOW what God meant, whereas I do not. Typical of your posts. See Patrick Jane's post. (above)

Romans 9:6–8 (NASB95)

^{6 "}But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel;

⁷ nor are they all children because they are Abraham’s descendants, but: “through Isaac your descendants will be named.”

⁸ That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants."

 

Romans 2:28–29 (NASB95)

^{28 "}For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor uncircumcision that which is outward in the flesh.

²⁹ But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God."

My opinion means nothing at all. What it matters is what God's word says.  

[Gentle-Warrior]

On 9/7/2019 at 11:21 PM, patrick jane said:

Israel’s Future Salvation

 

By Justin Johnson

Today Israel is not enjoying their covenanted political status over the Gentiles and has fallen from their spiritual status before God.

 

This has led some to think that they will not be reestablished in their former position.

 

During Paul’s ministry the Romans knew that Israel was promised a kingdom where they would reign over the Gentiles. Christ had come, but Israel’s salvation had not. They began to doubt whether the promises to Israel would have any real effect.

 

This is far from the truth! Paul dispels this idea in chapters 9, 10, and 11 of Romans beginning with, “Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect.” – Romans 9:6

 

Perhaps they reasoned as Covenant theologians today that God had replaced Israel with the Gentile church and that the ‘eternal’ covenants made with Israel were indeed only temporary.

 

Also like Covenant theologians today these Romans needed a better understanding of the mystery information given to Paul.

“For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. “ – Romans 11:25

 

Some Romans may have thought that God had cast away Israel, his people, forever. – Romans 11:1

 

Contrarily Paul teaches that their blindness is only temporary and will only last “until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.” – Romans 11:25

 

Just as natural branches will be graffed back into their own tree so “all Israel shall be saved: as it is written.” – Romans 11:26

 

Though Gentile salvation in this dispensation is a glorious manifestation of the grace of God, the fullness of times will be greater still.

“Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?” – Romans 11:12

By the way, I never said that the church replaced Israel. I don't believe in Replacement theology because is dead wrong from the get go. Israel ceased to be a nation in AD 70 because they refused to receive their Messiah; instead, they killed Him, which constitutes the greatest crime of all history. You don't get to kill the Son of God and get away with it.  

Matthew 23:34–38 (NASB95)

³⁴ “Therefore, behold, I am sending you prophets and wise men and scribes; some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city,

³⁵ so that upon you may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.

³⁶ “Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

³⁷ “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.

³⁸ “Behold, your house is being left to you desolate!"

Do you think God suffers from amnesia? Please take note of v:36