warrior12 Posted March 25, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 54 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,419 Content Per Day: 0.88 Reputation: 1,516 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/05/2016 Status: Online Share Posted March 25, 2018 14 minutes ago, LightShinesInTheDarkness said: I believe that the Bible is clear about the mark of the beast being a literal mark on a person's hand or forehead---not a spiritual mark, as some suggest, like the seal of God (which is symbolic of the Holy Spirit in a person). The word for "mark" used in the Bible for the mark of the beast means something like "engraving" or "imprint" in the original Greek: "charagma". So that's what I believe it will be; some sort of physical mark on a person's forehead or hand that identifies him or her as being loyal to the antichrist---like a brand---and not a microchip embedded under the skin. So just for argument sake. How would you avoid a literal mark from the authorities that would have all the mechanics and technology to put you to sleep and implement or engrave you with that stamping ect. If you or anyone have been through spiritual warfare, you would understand clearly that the enemy can plant thoughts of persuasion and sensuality ect, to try and test you to the limit. This is real and not an imagination or conjecture. The Christian has to recognize that when he is born again, he now becomes a spiritual man, the flesh is dead, so to speak. It is the spirit that rules and takes the offensive to do the will of God. Romans 8 King James Version (KJV) 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior12 Posted March 25, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 54 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,419 Content Per Day: 0.88 Reputation: 1,516 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/05/2016 Status: Online Share Posted March 25, 2018 9 hours ago, LightShinesInTheDarkness said: When multitudes of Christians take the mark of the beast. When pastors, friends and loved ones, who may or may not in fact be born again, take the mark and try to persuade you to do the same- Do you really believe a "born again" believer would take the mark of the beast ?. Unless you believe a born again believer can loose his salvation. Romans 6 King James Version (KJV) 3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1to3 Posted March 25, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 138 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 4,213 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 3,073 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/28/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted March 25, 2018 (edited) 41 minutes ago, 4LdKHVCzRDj2 said: 44 minutes ago, 1to3 said: what do i teach incorrectly? "My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment. For we all stumble in many things. If anyone does not stumble in word, he is a perfect man, able also to bridle the whole body." - James 3:1-2 I am a bible beleiving christian and this is a christian board where people are allowed to share their thought s and beliefs. This is how we learn along with aligning things to God WORD. I never claimed to be a teacher. But I know the RCC and its a false church. It Is ANTI CHRIST. And I am warning people to get out from it. If you truly have accepted Christ Jesus as you LORD and SAVIOR and live your life in daily relationship with HIM, you have not to fear the Mark of the Beast as things in time will reveal more and more about such a time when it may become enforced into the main population. What I am saying is: If you live daily in CHRIST JESUS and have been redeemed by Gods plan of Mercy and Grace you cannot possibly take the Mark of the BEAST. If you are GODS you ARE HIS, you follow HIM you know HIS voice John 10:10 Edited March 25, 2018 by 1to3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightShinesInTheDarkness Posted March 25, 2018 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 426 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 398 Days Won: 3 Joined: 01/20/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 25, 2018 "If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink of the wine of God's wrath, poured full strength into the cup of His anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name." Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus. (Revelation 14:9-12) There would be no need for God to include a warning to the saints about this if there was no danger or possibility of Christians taking the mark. God would not be calling unsaved people who merely profess to know Him to "endure" and not to take the mark, as they're already dead and it won't make any difference whether they take it or not. Besides the fact that the Bible tells us that the non-elect will all worship the beast and take his mark, and that God will send them a strong delusion in order for them to do so. They will have no choice but to take the mark. True Christians will not be deluded and will have a choice. Make no mistake about it, Christians will definitely be tempted to take the mark, in order to be able to buy and sell and to avoid persecution and loss, and many of them will do it---out of fear and desperation, and not knowing what or who to believe when they realize they were wrong about a pre-tribulation rapture. You can imagine how a person who had his or her heart set on a false teaching like that and believed that it was God's word and promise would have doubts about other things he or she thought they knew, and about God's truthfulness and reliability, when what they were taught would happen and believed would happen doesn't happen. What will determine whether a Christian is a victor or not during the Tribulation has less to do with his or her being correct about the timing of the rapture than it has to do with whether the Christian's heart is right with God or not. By this we shall know that we are of the truth and reassure our heart before Him; for whenever our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and He knows everything. Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence before God, and whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do what pleases Him. (1 John 3:19-22) There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love. (1 John 4:18) ...The eyes of the LORD run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to give strong support to those whose heart is blameless toward Him. (2 Chronicles 16:9) Don't enter the tribulation with known sin in your life and expect God to support you. If you have it, repent of it now. Enter the time of testing with a good conscience toward Him and a willing spirit and not a bad conscience and a stubborn spirit, and He will bring you safely through it by His mercy and His power. But the stubbornly rebellious will fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightShinesInTheDarkness Posted March 25, 2018 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 426 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 398 Days Won: 3 Joined: 01/20/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 25, 2018 24 minutes ago, 1to3 said: I used to be of the Catholic faith. I am grateful to have come out of it. what do i teach incorrectly? the RCC is a False religion. and yes the great danger is that now many evangelicals are embarking on uniting with the RCC The Marc of the beast will be the Mark OF THE BEAST. We need to warn people to come out of the RCC church If you are Redeemed by Gods Grace through HIS plan of Mercy and Grace through Christ JESUS you have nothing to fear, because you will know better than than to take the Mark of the BEAST. I wasn't specifically referring to you with regard to false teaching but to what is being taught (and not taught) in Christianity today, and accepted by the church. Accepting Catholicism as true Christianity is only one of the near-sighted, wandering church's errors, albeit a significant one, and likely preparation for the false prophet, who will probably be a pope. The time for people to get saved is almost up. When the last of God's elect (sheep) among the Gentiles has been found (saved), His last days remnant of 144,000 Jewish men from the twelve tribes of Israel will be sealed (saved). Once they are sealed, everyone who is going to get into the ark will be in the ark, before God's judgments begin to fall on the earth. There won't be anyone left to be found; all the rest of those who are not saved will be goats. Very few of the people in this world are lost sheep. Most are goats. Many are called but few are chosen. Likewise, most of the people in the world who profess to be Christians are not born-again. Christians need to be getting out of the contaminated, adulterous EVANGELICAL churches that have departed from the word of God and are doing what they please in Jesus' name, and to draw as close to the Lord as they possibly can, to prepare for the tribulation, and to exhort other Christians to do the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightShinesInTheDarkness Posted March 25, 2018 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 426 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 398 Days Won: 3 Joined: 01/20/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 25, 2018 31 minutes ago, warrior12 said: Do you really believe a "born again" believer would take the mark of the beast ?. Unless you believe a born again believer can loose his salvation. Romans 6 King James Version (KJV) 3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4LdKHVCzRDj2 Posted March 25, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,453 Content Per Day: 0.53 Reputation: 1,453 Days Won: 6 Joined: 11/02/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1991 Share Posted March 25, 2018 (edited) 31 minutes ago, 1to3 said: What I am saying is:Is you live daily in CHRIST you cannot possible take the Mark of the BEAST. This is true. If anyone indeed follows and abide in Christ then he/she would not be worried about pre/post-trib and mark of the beast. "Yet they will by no means follow a stranger, but will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers." - John 10:5 Then those who think they are following Christ better make sure they are, before it is too late. God bless you, 1to3! 2 minutes ago, LightShinesInTheDarkness said: Yes. I believe they cannot. If they indeed are born again, obviously. Edited March 25, 2018 by 4LdKHVCzRDj2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightShinesInTheDarkness Posted March 25, 2018 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 426 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 398 Days Won: 3 Joined: 01/20/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 25, 2018 45 minutes ago, warrior12 said: So just for argument sake. How would you avoid a literal mark from the authorities that would have all the mechanics and technology to put you to sleep and implement or engrave you with that stamping ect. If you or anyone have been through spiritual warfare, you would understand clearly that the enemy can plant thoughts of persuasion and sensuality ect, to try and test you to the limit. This is real and not an imagination or conjecture. The Christian has to recognize that when he is born again, he now becomes a spiritual man, the flesh is dead, so to speak. It is the spirit that rules and takes the offensive to do the will of God. Romans 8 King James Version (KJV) 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. Because it's clear from the Scriptures that the mark will be voluntary (for Christians at least; it's possible that an unsaved person might be forced to take it). God would not allow a Christian to be forced to do something He warns us not to do. Revelation 14:9-12 There will be plenty of demonic deception and temptation during that time of testing to try to persuade Christians to take the mark, one way or the other---which will be the antichrist's ultimate goal towards us: To persuade as many Christians to take the mark and worship his image as possible, and so forfeit their eternal life, which is what it means to be "conquered" or overcome by the antichrist. But Christians will know exactly what the mark is, and what the consequences of taking it are, and that the antichrist is not God. If they take it, it will be because they want to stay alive and not to suffer persecution or personal loss for not taking it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior12 Posted March 25, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 54 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,419 Content Per Day: 0.88 Reputation: 1,516 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/05/2016 Status: Online Share Posted March 25, 2018 12 minutes ago, LightShinesInTheDarkness said: Because it's clear from the Scriptures that the mark will be voluntary (for Christians at least; it's possible that an unsaved person might be forced to take it). God would not allow a Christian to be forced to do something He warns us not to do. Revelation 14:9-12 There will be plenty of demonic deception and temptation during that time of testing to try to persuade Christians to take the mark, one way or the other---which will be the antichrist's ultimate goal towards us: To persuade as many Christians to take the mark and worship his image as possible, and so forfeit their eternal life, which is what it means to be "conquered" or overcome by the antichrist. But Christians will know exactly what the mark is, and what the consequences of taking it are, and that the antichrist is not God. If they take it, it will be because they want to stay alive and not to suffer persecution or personal loss for not taking it. The scripture verse below should or would be the motto of the believer and is stuck to his mind as a reminder of who he is in Christ. No mark for that believer. Note, my preference is to say believer as Christian can be vague to it's meaning to many. Romans 8 King James Version (KJV) 38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightShinesInTheDarkness Posted March 25, 2018 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 426 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 398 Days Won: 3 Joined: 01/20/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 25, 2018 1 minute ago, warrior12 said: The scripture verse below should or would be the motto of the believer and is stuck to his mind as a reminder of who he is in Christ. No mark for that believer. Note, my preference is to say believer as Christian can be vague to it's meaning to many. Romans 8 King James Version (KJV) 38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. That is very true, provided the Christian remains in Christ, which he has the choice to do or not to do after coming to be in Him. The Christians in the church in Ephesus were not going to remain in Christ; neither were the Christians in Sardis or Laodicea, unless they repented of their apostasy. There are plenty of scriptures that show that a true Christian (a person who has been born-again, not merely someone who professes to be a Christian) can forfeit his or her salvation; so bear in mind that Romans 8:38,39 does not include "or anything we do", because it's obvious from many other New Testament scriptures that we ourselves can indeed separate ourselves from Christ and be cut off from Him by our own choices. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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