Neighbor Posted March 29, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 951 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,561 Content Per Day: 5.03 Reputation: 9,043 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Online Birthday: 03/03/1885 Author Share Posted March 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Debp said: As one who lives in drought stricken Southern California, and I also hear of other States like Nevada and Arizona going to be requiring even more water for their growing populations...I don't know where we would get this water from. It would have to be transported from Oregon or other States that get plenty of rain. And, it already is, including 444 mile of California aquaduct for one resource. Pretty amazing accomplishment. Just ramp up more and look at all the resources and then use them ever more wisely. I may be wrong, but it seems to me God has placed enough water around earth to flood the entire planets to the heights of at least Mt Ararat and actually at one time over the heights of all terrain on earth. Where is it now? How do we gather it and distribute it as we work and toil amongst the thistles? Why say impossible, when so much has been done throughout history when desired? Vast systems of ducting have been accomplished throughout history, why not the grandest attempt ever, and why not here in the USA? "Make the USA great again" will require the use of much water, spiritual and also for the flesh. The USA can make oil and gas pipes that span the continent and beyond, why not also water in massive quantities? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Posted March 29, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 951 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,561 Content Per Day: 5.03 Reputation: 9,043 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Online Birthday: 03/03/1885 Author Share Posted March 29, 2018 20 hours ago, Rick_Parker said: You feel the same way about the fence in Israel? After all, it is just "Palestinians" yearning to be free and live in the Promised Land even to the point that they will break it's laws to do so? No I do not, but I also know the USA is not Israel. If Israel is restored to it's full borders will a wall be a practical defense mechanism of it's border? If Israel had the near 95,000 miles of water shoreline that the US has would it make sense to try to wall out Arabs from it's shores and land borders? I think it would not. Plus it seems to me Israel does have what the USA is lacking right now, a system that allows for people to enter it legally to work, to live, and to flourish, all within it's laws. I may be wrong, but isn't it's law more welcoming than present US policy to those that desire to be there for their individual benefit?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Posted March 29, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 951 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,561 Content Per Day: 5.03 Reputation: 9,043 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Online Birthday: 03/03/1885 Author Share Posted March 29, 2018 27 minutes ago, TheMatrixHasU71 said: Palestinians are largely Muslims who want to destroy Israel. Save that they repent and abandon Islam they have no place in Israel. They dont belong there Guess I go a step further, there are no Palestinians, ( I am influenced by the teaching from Zola Levitt on that) but that is for another thread sometime. Anyway from my own interests, in the subject, I really come to think, much like David Stockman, that a wall is a waste of money a huge amount of money. I think the USA and it's Christians can better serve by promoting life through better water and food for as many as possible ,as the word of God the gospel of Jesus is shared with as many as will hear; even as they recive such a simple thing as a cup of cool water in the name of our Lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 (edited) 18 hours ago, Neighbor said: One does not have to be for open borders in order to wonder about the value of walls, ugly scars across the lands that produce nothing, will be breached, and eventually will be an embarrassment, or simply crumble like all walls. Least a viaduct will transport water ( If it can be found) and may lift an area's economy to the benefit of many people. The USA doe not have the very short expanse between it's borders like Israel. It can afford vast areas dedicated to the flow of water for the making of orchards, vineyards, and farmland. It can feed many many people that today are not fed well. Then trees may be planted and the landscape freshened. Seems to me that might be a higher call to honor and bring Glory to God, than just building a wall, th emaking of an ugly scar. You can lose the pretense of God's glory to hide the fact that you're just against the wall. The wall doesn't hurt or disenfranchise or mistreat anyone. And they want farms and vineyards on the other side of border let them plant them. Let them develop some work ethic and actually make their nation what they want it to be. Your position doesn't really take into account the reality of the reasons why the wall is needed. The wall will work and walls work in other parts of the world when they are built and manned. So we are not doing anything that isn't done in other parts of the world and no one complains about those walls. If you don't think that walls and barriers work, then go ahead and leave your car unlocked in the driveway and unlock all of your doors and windows in your home, at night. 'Cause you really don't need to those locks to keep anyone seeing how that would besmirch the glory of God to keep out those who you want to keep out. Edited March 29, 2018 by shiloh357 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis1209 Posted March 29, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 347 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,460 Content Per Day: 2.70 Reputation: 5,375 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/27/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted March 29, 2018 What defines a nation? Answer: Borders. What are borders for? Answer: To protect its legal citizens and define it as a sovereign country and nation of "laws". What is the first act of a person illegally crossing a sovereign nations border? Answer: A crime. What is treason? Answer: Rewarding those who's first act entering this country was criminal. Then by force of law through taxes, supporting those criminals with your money; diminishing your ability to provide for yourself and your family. Try going to any other country on Earth and protest, demanding the benefits and rights these illegals demand here and see what happens. What benefit does the USA derive from illegals? Answer: None. We import poverty, disease and more entitlement than we can afford at our own personal expense. Look around, you have more than your fair share of MS-13, Latin Kings, and hundreds of thousands of ethnic gang-bangers, drug dealers and entitlement recipients. What is the definition of a oxymoron? Answer: Working for the Federal Government for over 30 years and paying into your retirement and calling it a "benefit". Being on welfare, an illegal alien, not earning it or paying it back and calling it an "entitlement". Solution: First and foremost as a nation, return to our founding biblical roots, precepts and fear of the Lord. The Christian churches need to return to influencing laws and society, not the other way around. Charity is just that, charity. Forced charity a.k.a. socialism (Utopian society) has never worked in the history of the world. The Constitution of the United States of America says what it means and means what it says. Just like our Bible; when the plain sense makes good sense, seek no other sense least you end up with nonsense. Build section 8 housing and subsidize living facility's next door to the elite, wealthy, celebrities and politicians. Build the wall and enforce our existing immigration laws and deport illegals back to their nation of origin at their expense. Pass legislation to extend the high tech security wall to now include California, they've gone loco and turned into a tyrannical and rebellious state. Okay, now ask me how I really feel... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 1 hour ago, TheMatrixHasU71 said: Palestinians are largely Muslims who want to destroy Israel. Save that they repent and abandon Islam they have no place in Israel. They dont belong there Neither do illegals from foreign countries including Mexico. They don't belong here unless they enter legally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Neighbor said: the USA is lacking right now, a system that allows for people to enter it legally to work, to live, and to flourish, all within it's laws. What country are you living in? Of course there is a system in place for people to enter this country legally. It's called a green card or a passport or visa. Not through the desert or across the river or hidden away in the back of a semi truck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Posted March 29, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 951 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,561 Content Per Day: 5.03 Reputation: 9,043 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Online Birthday: 03/03/1885 Author Share Posted March 29, 2018 1 hour ago, TheMatrixHasU71 said: No border, no country. At least a wall will slow things down significantly even if (as we all know) it cant stop illegals entirely? This is NOT God's will. So you think that illegals who are largely criminals should just be allowed to just come on over any time they please while law abiding immigrants have to go through the usual channels and pay money for their citizenship? Wake up man its attitudes like yours that are the reason why the US is having such trouble with MS13 ; because you think no illegal can do any harm So, that's what I think? Really? I had no idea. Thanks, for sharing with me what I think. It seems to me the USA has had borders and a country for a long time without walls. Is that not the case? From exposure to the gangs of the northeast that caused one State governor to issue a curfew, call up the State militia, and have them in my town standing with rifles with fixed bayonets, I think I am somewhat aware of the trouble gangs generate. It is really not all that new an issue. (I also walked south central Los Angeles.) Illegals are mostly criminals? Really, okay, but just who is going to work hard in America without them? Really, who is willing to work hard and long hours other than the illegals in the land? Who will fill the construction jobs needs, the hotel industry needs the restaurant industry needs, the church maintenance needs fo rthat matter? Sorry neighbor but there just isn't enough clean handed legal white boys and girls willing to work the hard jobs, many simply state that it is below their station. they would rather go hungry than work hard at anything. This country will come to an absolute standstill without our immigrant populations both legal and illegal from all over the world. No way could I have built structures without immigrants, no way could I have a hotel or a restaurant without immigrants, no way could I have kept keep a clean church and school without immigrants. Not one of them shot me, stabbed me, polluted my faith in God, nor harmed my family. In fact, every one of them respectfully did whatever they could beyond what was a bare minimum to be the good worker for their employer and bosses. Walls, separation, elistism ,all seem more suited as tools of the anti-Christ to me, than do the missionary minded saints in Christ Jesus from my own perspective. For the missionaries spreading the good news of the gospel of Jesus that I know work hard to bust through walls days in and day out. They do so at great risk to life limb and family from the threats and the very real attacks by the wall builders around an unbelieving world. May saints in Christ everywhere make it their highest goal the sharing of the word of God and make sharing a cup of cool water in th ename of our Lord a higher priority than isolation from a needy world of nonbelievers. That is my prayer and also my own goal. I praise God for lifting up the mission minded saints to go through those walls., both spiritual and physical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Posted March 29, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 951 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,561 Content Per Day: 5.03 Reputation: 9,043 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Online Birthday: 03/03/1885 Author Share Posted March 29, 2018 . errant post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMatrixHasU71 Posted March 29, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,573 Content Per Day: 0.51 Reputation: 723 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Neighbor said: Illegals are mostly criminals? Really, okay, but just who is going to work hard in America without them? Really, who is willing to work hard and long hours other than the illegals in the land? Who will fill the construction jobs needs, the hotel industry needs the restaurant industry needs, the church maintenance needs fo rthat matter? Sorry neighbor but there just isn't enough clean handed legal white boys and girls willing to work the hard jobs, many simply state that it is below their station. they would rather go hungry than work hard at anything. This country will come to an absolute standstill without our immigrant populations both legal and illegal from all over the world. ONE Give lazy prideful Americans/Canadians who think that construction, maintenance, cooking and cleaning jobs are beneath them a good boot to the bum. TWO Canada, the US and European countries are already coming to a standstill because of people who believe in open borders. THREE, Do you not see the illogic in your first two lines? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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