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32 minutes ago, angels4u said:

May I ask what he did which offend you?

I only saw him speaking truthful things and quoting Bible verses?

You have but to read back over the posts. T I will leave you with one portion of scripture to chew on.

”For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”

This deception is deep., dark and dangerous. Do you think there is danger if we sin willfully with no remorse, thinking God’s grace will make it all ok anyway? 

Gideon

               Hebrews 10:26-31

 

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7 minutes ago, Gideon said:

You have but to read back over the posts. T I will leave you with one portion of scripture to chew on.

”For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”

This deception is deep., dark and dangerous. Do you think there is danger if we sin willfully with no remorse, thinking God’s grace will make it all ok anyway? 

Gideon

               Hebrews 10:26-31

 

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This deception is deep., dark and dangerous. Do you think there is danger if we sin willfully with no remorse, thinking God’s grace will make it all ok anyway? 

The really born again Christian will not willfully sin and if they do we have a heavenly father who will forgive us our sins if we confess our sins.

My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.1John 2:1

Why would you want to willfully sin, knowing Jesus paid with His life for your sins?

What does it mean that Jesus died for our sins?

Question: "What does it mean that Jesus died for our sins?"

Answer: Simply put, without Jesus’ death on the cross for our sins, no one would have eternal life. Jesus Himself said, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me” (John 14:6). In this statement, Jesus declares the reason for His birth, death, and resurrection—to provide the way to heaven for sinful mankind, who could never get there on their own.

When God created Adam and Eve, they were perfect in every way and lived in a virtual paradise, the Garden of Eden (Genesis 2:15). God created man in His image, meaning they also had the freedom to make decisions and choices of their own free will. Genesis 3 goes on to describe how Adam and Eve succumbed to Satan’s temptations and lies. In doing so, they disobeyed the will of God by eating of the tree of knowledge from which they were forbidden: “And the LORD God commanded the man, ‘You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die’” (Genesis 2:16-17). This was the first sin committed by man, and, as a result, all mankind is subject to both physical and eternal death by virtue of our sinful nature inherited from Adam.

God declared that all who sin will die, both physically and spiritually. This is the fate of all mankind. But God, in His grace and mercy, provided a way out of this dilemma, the shed blood of His perfect Son on the cross. God declared that “without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness” (Hebrews 9:22), but through the shedding of blood, redemption is provided. The Law of Moses provided a way for the people to be considered “sinless” or “right” in God’s eyes—the offering of animals sacrificed for every sin they committed. These sacrifices were only temporary, though, and were really a foreshadowing of the perfect, once-for-all sacrifice of Christ on the cross (Hebrews 10:10).

This is why Jesus came and why He died, to become the ultimate and final sacrifice, the perfect (without blemish) sacrifice for our sins (Colossians 1:22; 1 Peter 1:19). Through Him, the promise of life eternal with God becomes effective through faith to those who believe in Jesus. “So that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe” (Galatians 3:22). These two words, faithand believing, are critical to our salvation. It is through our believing in the shed blood of Christ for our sins that we receive eternal life. “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast” (Ephesians 2:8–9).

https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-died-for-our-sins.html

The way you talk about grace is cheap grace and to know we are SAVED through grace was not cheap grace ! It did cost Jesus His life :(

 

 

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       If we sin willfully after coming to the knowledge of truth there remains no more offering for sin.

                 That is a rejection of the truth. Its not falling into a unrighteous sin but going the way of sin fully instead of following christ. That is a person who rejects christ and knows christ is the way to the father

                 Its what the pharrises did when they knew jesus was the christ but held on to there places and religion.

               .Thats all it means. 

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3 hours ago, Gideon said:

Your post was a gift for me, Goldie. Honesty and admission of struggle with sin is the first step in our freedom. Adultery is. Serious sin. I am not telling you anything you do not know. You are trapped in Romans 7 and you do not know how to escape the prison cell. Just like I was. 

And in your four years of struggle, what have you learned? Because my lesson was this. I cannot stop on my own... . ever. The sin is so enticing,so gripping, that the harder I try to stop, the more I want it. That brother is the classic battle that multitudes face. 

It really matters not if it is adultery we are talking about or porn or gossip. And here, please understand that adultery is a deep sin because it involves hurting another person, one we are in covenant with, so I am not making light of it, and I know you know it. But for the sake of argument,  all sin we battle against in handled the same. 

So, what to do? Do we take the fruit whacking approach and try to prevent the  tree from bearing bad fruit.? Good luck. I spent 38 years fighting porn and masturbaion and tried evrery fruit whacking method I could think of. I sold my computer, I got an accountability partner. I memorized scripture. I fasted once for 21  days, water only. I disciplined my flesh. I let go and let God, whatever that means, lol. And that is where God met me, still in sin,and out of answers, despairing of lifeI. I hated my sin. I loved my sin. And with the black dog and white dog battling inside me, with no peace.... ever... and no rest... and no joy... and a whole lot of guilt.... I simply could not stop feeding the black dog. 

But when God mercifully appeared to me that night eleven years ago, He told me that He knew all along that I could not walk the walk He had for me, but I had not yet known it. I love that word yet. That night I knew it. I was in agreement with God. I had finally come to the point where I had NO strength. As much as I wanted to stop, I could not. I needed a miracle. And God had one with my name on it. And Goldie, He has one for you as well. 

You see, the breaking of our self confidence is key.  Do you remember what God’s counsel was to stop sinning. It has nothing to do with fighting the bad fruit. The ax must be laid to the root of the tree. And what is that root? Our old nature.  What did Jesus tell us?  Make your tree good. His job is the fruit. Our job is to make our tree good. 

So how do we do it? After agreeing with God in Romans 6 with our heads that we died when Christ died and we rose again when He rose again and that He made us new creatures, there is one last step, and it is a step that I was blind to for 38 years.

I had never reckoned myself dead to sin. I had never put off my old nature by an act of desperate faith.

So, even though I truly was a. new creatures just as you are, it profited is nothing, not being mixed with faith. You see, brother, we have to appropriate the truth of our new nature and make it OUR truth. 

You need to do not one thing if you are broken, tired of the guilt, tired of feeling God is a million miles away from you, and simply worn out from trying and  failing..... again.  Speak out the truth, whether you feel it or not. We do not receive it when we believe it hard enough. It already IS true, right now. You are already dead. Now... simply believe it, even of your faith is minuscule. It is just enough. 

This  is life and death stuff, dear friend. If you would like, message me and we can actually talk. I want to help. do will not disappoint you and nothing will prevent Him from delivering you out of your situation.... nothing!

Blessings,

Gideon

I do agree with you very much that we have to reckoned ourselfs dead to sin. That was one thing that is very inportant to remember. Because we really are dead to sin. And also just as inportant we are to know we have risen with christ to a new life. So it says in the bible put on the new man. We can work and yield to righteousness because we are a new creation. Having died to sin and risen to life in christ. This is basic christianty.

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2 hours ago, Wayne222 said:

       If we sin willfully after coming to the knowledge of truth there remains no more offering for sin.

                 That is a rejection of the truth. Its not falling into a unrighteous sin but going the way of sin fully instead of following christ. That is a person who rejects christ and knows christ is the way to the father

                 Its what the pharrises did when they knew jesus was the christ but held on to there places and religion.

               .Thats all it means. 

I don’t often post, and when I do, I pray beforehand. But please tell me why you think the Pharisees believed Jesus to be the Son of God, the Messiah? As someone who has experienced without a doubt, first hand, the knowledge of truth, Hebrews first scared me, because I realized just how serious our position in Christ is. But I can be overjoyed in knowing that the same grace, the beautiful sacrifice that our lord and savior Jesus Christ made for us, for me, which truly washed me clean and changed my whole reality, my whole life, in such a profound way, can keep me from falling.

Let me explain that...

This may not be a popular opinion, but I am absolutely a beneficiary of “instant sanctification”, no longer was my focus on this life, but the next. My struggles and anxieties and depressions and addictions and lusts of the flesh, fear and insecurities were left from me, completely vanished, all in a glorious instant.

I do not take that lightly. Imagine my surprise when I found out that not everyone, no, very, very few, have experienced this in the modern age. Me, Lord? A guy who didn’t even realize that John 3:16 was a “red letter” verse. I raced through the New Testament in several different versions (and actually take offense at the diminishing of spiritual things in “The Message” version) so happy with each new chapter and verse I was led to read. The verses I was familiar with, I sought the surrounding context... I wanted to know who it was written to, and why. I am humbly thankful and blessed in such a way I wish and hope we all can (or do) feel. So strong the change in me, it changed my political views... and not in the traditional direction. It made me realize that the first century church was practicing socialism, and while I don’t think it works at the government level, it sure changed my heart personally, when it came to what was truly “mine” on this earth, and I know you all already know this, but it’s absolutely nothing.

My miraculous change was January 1st of this year. About two weeks in, my wife sent me a text, asking if I was on the way home yet. I said “yes”, when in actuality, I wasn’t on the road headed back home, though I was “on the way out the door”. It was close, a matter of minutes, but misleading nonetheless. For the next day and a half, it was ALL I could think of. I felt like I had squandered my whole eternal future for one half truth. So I told her. She laughed it off as silly, but it was THAT important to me. And I learned my lesson. Being truthful, 100% of the time is an amazing place to be. Even everyday relationships you have with others are strengthened beyond your wildest dreams.

But getting back to the point. I fear sin, from a distance. My “several times daily” sins have left from me, but along the way, God has taught me other valuable lessons. Patience? I no longer have any selfish feelings about my own lack of sleep when my young son wakes up multiple times in the middle of the night. Forgiveness? My own memories now show me that in certain situations I wasn’t as innocent as I believed I once was. The people in my life who had “wronged” me, truly deeply, I would now say hello and shake their hands as if nothing had taken place. As He grows within me, I am thankful and am open to learning and growing each day. I am filled with excited humbleness as I approach each new day, earnestly praying for new and frequent opportunities to advance His kingdom.

I have often wondered if we are all not called to different standards. Obviously what I can be convicted of, someone else may not be, but even when I watch movies that are seemingly innocuous, I wonder if my time would not have been better spent in His word. Where is my focus? Where do I want (and desire) my focus to truly be? Are they the same? Not always, and I feel a change inside of me, so I desperately ask for forgiveness, give up what it was that was keeping me from Him, refocus on the eternal, and rejoice in the glory of our God. I count it all joy, even in my failures, because I am able to learn and grow. I even thank God when things don’t go my way, because my own reactions have been forever changed.

But back to my original question, and this is maybe to my own benefit as well, especially if other can chime in, but what makes you think that was referring to the Pharisees? Both in the Hebrews verse context, as well as the overall sense. I mean, when I read the gospels of Jesus, I see them as just not understanding Jesus... or who He was. He offered a better and far more perfect and easy way to salvation, and yet... it was flat out rejected across the board. Even Saul, before his own miraculous encounter, didn’t know who Jesus really was.

I am not looking to engage in fruitless battles here, that is not my intent. I truly love you all as brothers and sisters in Christ, and I pray that we all seek Him before, after and during our forum activity.

It matters not who “wins” a forum debate, it matters how we present ourselves and love one another as His children.

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I posted this in another forum started by a wise brother I know, and the subject was on rips for better communications in posting. Here is my offering...

When you screw up...man up. :)

I have already personally apologized to my brother Youm for my words to him yesterday but I wanted to take this opportunity to also apologize to all here who were a part of my OP post. 

My words were uncalled for and rude, and for that, I ask the forgiveness of all of you. 

You know my assertion that  Jesus can and will keep us from falling as we trust Him to. Some  have assumed that I speak of sinless perfectionism and that we can’t sin. That is not true in the least. And here I seem to be our method demonstration. LOL. 

As I have said, this walk is a walk of faith and the greater God grows our faith that we truly are new creatures and that the old us is dead,the greater our ability to not stumble. And IF one sins, which I did,  you repent, you ask forgiveness from the Lord as well  as someone someone else if they were involved, you feel terrible inside (which I do) and then you raise your shield back up so that Satan’s arrows and accusations of being a hypocrite do not hit their mark. :)

So I pray you all will find it in your heart to forgive me. What God has given me is real, more real than reality, and it shames me to have to be the “example” of how this walk  plays out, but who better? If you had known me eleven years ago, you would say “I believe in miracles!”, trust me.

We are never boxed in when we make our profession of faith that we are truly new creations. We need to understand that God takes what we offer right  where we are and changes us from the inside out, not visa versa.

Ok, I better stop or I will continue till I hit 15 paragraphs. ;)

Much love in Christ, 

Gideon

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On ‎4‎/‎3‎/‎2018 at 7:02 PM, Gideon said:

what I am talking about when I say a man can indeed walk in a place where he does not sin.

Galatians chapter 3 verse 24, 25,23

So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.
Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.
Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed.

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On Monday, April 09, 2018 at 7:03 PM, Gideon said:

Jesus said “why do you call me Lord, Lord, and not do the things I command you?”

Ist John 3  tells us:

”In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
                                   1 John 3:10

The Bible tells is “

Let all who name the name of the Lord depart from iniquity.”

We have been taught by wolves in sheep’s clothing that no matter how we now live, we cannot lose our salvation. Even though there are multi ties of warnings saying the opposite very clearly, the teaching persists for the sole purpose of robbing people of their birthright. 

Some have adopted this view in error, an one of the main reasons is that thy see no way to actually walk above their old nature. But make no mistake, others who stand by this error and who simply choose to ignore clear warnings simply like their sin more than correction.

The entire New Testament is an exhortation to walk holy before the Lord, and to love Him with ALL of our hearts. But because we have not been taught how, we have reached out for any hope that can make it ok, rather than falling on our faces and  crying out for deliverance as Paul I’d in Romans 7. Paul said that he kept his body under (dead and buried) last after preaching to others, He himself might become a castaway. 

How are we re-interpreting this? .We are being deceived and as Godlaments.... “and my people love it so.”

The light is dawning. We will see clearly in the days to come. There will be none who stay here due to faulty teaching. They will stay because they do not want to repent nor give up their sin. May None here fall into that category. 

Blessings, Gideon

 

I dont think those who teach we cannot lose our salvation are wolves in sheep clothing. We did not have to work for our salvation. That is do works of righteousness to earn it.once one is saved we can do good works because we know God. Good works are a fruit of our love for God. We are called to be holy. Because God makes his home im us. Wr are a temple of God. Let us be holy for God.

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On Monday, April 09, 2018 at 10:47 PM, FinallyAlive said:

I don’t often post, and when I do, I pray beforehand. But please tell me why you think the Pharisees believed Jesus to be the Son of God, the Messiah? As someone who has experienced without a doubt, first hand, the knowledge of truth, Hebrews first scared me, because I realized just how serious our position in Christ is. But I can be overjoyed in knowing that the same grace, the beautiful sacrifice that our lord and savior Jesus Christ made for us, for me, which truly washed me clean and changed my whole reality, my whole life, in such a profound way, can keep me from falling.

Let me explain that...

This may not be a popular opinion, but I am absolutely a beneficiary of “instant sanctification”, no longer was my focus on this life, but the next. My struggles and anxieties and depressions and addictions and lusts of the flesh, fear and insecurities were left from me, completely vanished, all in a glorious instant.

I do not take that lightly. Imagine my surprise when I found out that not everyone, no, very, very few, have experienced this in the modern age. Me, Lord? A guy who didn’t even realize that John 3:16 was a “red letter” verse. I raced through the New Testament in several different versions (and actually take offense at the diminishing of spiritual things in “The Message” version) so happy with each new chapter and verse I was led to read. The verses I was familiar with, I sought the surrounding context... I wanted to know who it was written to, and why. I am humbly thankful and blessed in such a way I wish and hope we all can (or do) feel. So strong the change in me, it changed my political views... and not in the traditional direction. It made me realize that the first century church was practicing socialism, and while I don’t think it works at the government level, it sure changed my heart personally, when it came to what was truly “mine” on this earth, and I know you all already know this, but it’s absolutely nothing.

My miraculous change was January 1st of this year. About two weeks in, my wife sent me a text, asking if I was on the way home yet. I said “yes”, when in actuality, I wasn’t on the road headed back home, though I was “on the way out the door”. It was close, a matter of minutes, but misleading nonetheless. For the next day and a half, it was ALL I could think of. I felt like I had squandered my whole eternal future for one half truth. So I told her. She laughed it off as silly, but it was THAT important to me. And I learned my lesson. Being truthful, 100% of the time is an amazing place to be. Even everyday relationships you have with others are strengthened beyond your wildest dreams.

But getting back to the point. I fear sin, from a distance. My “several times daily” sins have left from me, but along the way, God has taught me other valuable lessons. Patience? I no longer have any selfish feelings about my own lack of sleep when my young son wakes up multiple times in the middle of the night. Forgiveness? My own memories now show me that in certain situations I wasn’t as innocent as I believed I once was. The people in my life who had “wronged” me, truly deeply, I would now say hello and shake their hands as if nothing had taken place. As He grows within me, I am thankful and am open to learning and growing each day. I am filled with excited humbleness as I approach each new day, earnestly praying for new and frequent opportunities to advance His kingdom.

I have often wondered if we are all not called to different standards. Obviously what I can be convicted of, someone else may not be, but even when I watch movies that are seemingly innocuous, I wonder if my time would not have been better spent in His word. Where is my focus? Where do I want (and desire) my focus to truly be? Are they the same? Not always, and I feel a change inside of me, so I desperately ask for forgiveness, give up what it was that was keeping me from Him, refocus on the eternal, and rejoice in the glory of our God. I count it all joy, even in my failures, because I am able to learn and grow. I even thank God when things don’t go my way, because my own reactions have been forever changed.

But back to my original question, and this is maybe to my own benefit as well, especially if other can chime in, but what makes you think that was referring to the Pharisees? Both in the Hebrews verse context, as well as the overall sense. I mean, when I read the gospels of Jesus, I see them as just not understanding Jesus... or who He was. He offered a better and far more perfect and easy way to salvation, and yet... it was flat out rejected across the board. Even Saul, before his own miraculous encounter, didn’t know who Jesus really was.

I am not looking to engage in fruitless battles here, that is not my intent. I truly love you all as brothers and sisters in Christ, and I pray that we all seek Him before, after and during our forum activity.

It matters not who “wins” a forum debate, it matters how we present ourselves and love one another as His children.

I agree it not inportant who wins a debate. But whats being said is inportant because we are trying to speak truth. I think they knew he was the christ and seen the signs he did. I forget where but the bible says one of them said only one from God could do the signs. They knew and try to say the signs were from satan. But they knew better. I just disagree with you that a christian can lose there salvation. Also what you said about willfully sinning. And the processes of sanctification. But christian debate stuff like this alot. Its good Jesus is working so well in your life. To be sent free from sins is amazing. We are no longer chain to our sins. 

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On Monday, April 09, 2018 at 10:47 PM, FinallyAlive said:

I don’t often post, and when I do, I pray beforehand. But please tell me why you think the Pharisees believed Jesus to be the Son of God, the Messiah? As someone who has experienced without a doubt, first hand, the knowledge of truth, Hebrews first scared me, because I realized just how serious our position in Christ is. But I can be overjoyed in knowing that the same grace, the beautiful sacrifice that our lord and savior Jesus Christ made for us, for me, which truly washed me clean and changed my whole reality, my whole life, in such a profound way, can keep me from falling.

Let me explain that...

This may not be a popular opinion, but I am absolutely a beneficiary of “instant sanctification”, no longer was my focus on this life, but the next. My struggles and anxieties and depressions and addictions and lusts of the flesh, fear and insecurities were left from me, completely vanished, all in a glorious instant.

I do not take that lightly. Imagine my surprise when I found out that not everyone, no, very, very few, have experienced this in the modern age. Me, Lord? A guy who didn’t even realize that John 3:16 was a “red letter” verse. I raced through the New Testament in several different versions (and actually take offense at the diminishing of spiritual things in “The Message” version) so happy with each new chapter and verse I was led to read. The verses I was familiar with, I sought the surrounding context... I wanted to know who it was written to, and why. I am humbly thankful and blessed in such a way I wish and hope we all can (or do) feel. So strong the change in me, it changed my political views... and not in the traditional direction. It made me realize that the first century church was practicing socialism, and while I don’t think it works at the government level, it sure changed my heart personally, when it came to what was truly “mine” on this earth, and I know you all already know this, but it’s absolutely nothing.

My miraculous change was January 1st of this year. About two weeks in, my wife sent me a text, asking if I was on the way home yet. I said “yes”, when in actuality, I wasn’t on the road headed back home, though I was “on the way out the door”. It was close, a matter of minutes, but misleading nonetheless. For the next day and a half, it was ALL I could think of. I felt like I had squandered my whole eternal future for one half truth. So I told her. She laughed it off as silly, but it was THAT important to me. And I learned my lesson. Being truthful, 100% of the time is an amazing place to be. Even everyday relationships you have with others are strengthened beyond your wildest dreams.

But getting back to the point. I fear sin, from a distance. My “several times daily” sins have left from me, but along the way, God has taught me other valuable lessons. Patience? I no longer have any selfish feelings about my own lack of sleep when my young son wakes up multiple times in the middle of the night. Forgiveness? My own memories now show me that in certain situations I wasn’t as innocent as I believed I once was. The people in my life who had “wronged” me, truly deeply, I would now say hello and shake their hands as if nothing had taken place. As He grows within me, I am thankful and am open to learning and growing each day. I am filled with excited humbleness as I approach each new day, earnestly praying for new and frequent opportunities to advance His kingdom.

I have often wondered if we are all not called to different standards. Obviously what I can be convicted of, someone else may not be, but even when I watch movies that are seemingly innocuous, I wonder if my time would not have been better spent in His word. Where is my focus? Where do I want (and desire) my focus to truly be? Are they the same? Not always, and I feel a change inside of me, so I desperately ask for forgiveness, give up what it was that was keeping me from Him, refocus on the eternal, and rejoice in the glory of our God. I count it all joy, even in my failures, because I am able to learn and grow. I even thank God when things don’t go my way, because my own reactions have been forever changed.

But back to my original question, and this is maybe to my own benefit as well, especially if other can chime in, but what makes you think that was referring to the Pharisees? Both in the Hebrews verse context, as well as the overall sense. I mean, when I read the gospels of Jesus, I see them as just not understanding Jesus... or who He was. He offered a better and far more perfect and easy way to salvation, and yet... it was flat out rejected across the board. Even Saul, before his own miraculous encounter, didn’t know who Jesus really was.

I am not looking to engage in fruitless battles here, that is not my intent. I truly love you all as brothers and sisters in Christ, and I pray that we all seek Him before, after and during our forum activity.

It matters not who “wins” a forum debate, it matters how we present ourselves and love one another as His children.

I confuse your post with someone else. Sorry about that. But thank you. Yes a half truth is a false truth. So you did well to be concern. Guard your heart. But if we sin just confess it right away. Jesus forgives. Praise God.

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