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2 minutes ago, Mike Mclees said:

satan may have entered Judas but Satan entering the man of pretending Judas ?     ;)

I do not understand what you are saying here Mike ? 

""pretending Judas"" ???

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8 minutes ago, Adstar said:

'sI do not understand what you are saying here Mike ? 

""pretending Judas"" ???

  50 minutes ago, Last Daze said:

  Or maybe it's a reference to Satan who entered Judas and will enter the man of sin (pretending to be Judas?)  Now that's Interesting      

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22 minutes ago, Mike Mclees said:

  Or maybe it's a reference to Satan who entered Judas and will enter the man of sin (pretending to be Judas?)  Now that's Interesting      

I did not read the (pretending to be Judas) when i originally read that reply.. 

I don't know if i missed it or it was added later after i posted?

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3 hours ago, Mike Mclees said:

satan may have entered Judas but Satan entering the man of sin pretending to be  Judas ?     ;)

It's pure conjecture, but if you think about it, it fits into the "failed Messiah" narrative that the current Pope and others subscribe to.  And who better to "set the record straight" than someone who can "verify" that he was there 2000 years ago?  The purpose, of course, is to render the NT null and void and support the man of sin's claim to deity.  Again, pure conjecture, but those days will come with all the deception of wickedness so expect outlandish "revelations."

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8 hours ago, Oseas Ramos de Siqueira said:

Now, now, who will prove this is the own prophetic Word (the Word is God) He is saying that Satan was released from his prison to go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, and will compass the camp of the saints to do the last battle, but he will be cast into the lake of fire. 

 

Today, and also in the end of this seventh and last millennium or last Day (one Day with the Lord is as a thousand years or 1000 years as a Day, as was revealed to Moses - Psalms 90:4) Gog, and Magog, are thnations which are in the four quarters of the earth (inclusive the nation of Israel of the false messiah).

In my understanding, you only interpreted the ancient Magog, ok, but you did not interpret who is Gog;  TODAY, and in the end of this millennium, Magog is all the Gentile nations of the four corners of the earth, and Gog is exclusively the nation of Israel of the false messiah, whose coming  is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish.

Again: in the end of this seventh and last millennium or last Day, Gog, and Magog, they both together, will be in number  of whom is as the sand of the sea.(verse 8)

The prophetic message for today or  for this present time is: Rev. 11:v.15&18

15  The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.

18  And the nations were  (will be) angry, (yes, Gog, and Magog - Rev.13:1-18) and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Hallelujah!

Several things in this I don't agree with but one in particular is just off.

Psalm 90:4,

"A thousand years in your sight
    are like a day that has just gone by,
    or like a watch in the night."

This is a simile, not an equivalency. It's speaking to God's immortality and existence outside of time. Notice the  dual simile. A 1000 years is like a day OR a nights watch. What's a night's watch? Two hours? Four? This has been falsely interpreted many times by many people and it really irks me.

It's just sad you think the Jews are Gog. 

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We do not know any of this for sure as prophesy is mostly only recognized in hindsight.

However, those of us that can remain awake and are not too taken with our own opinions might wake up one day and see stuff happening... Then we may say, UH-OH, now I understand what it meant. Wow!

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33 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

We do not know any of this for sure as prophesy is mostly only recognized in hindsight.

However, those of us that can remain awake and are not too taken with our own opinions might wake up one day and see stuff happening... Then we may say, UH-OH, now I understand what it meant. Wow!

Back in the 80's and 90's I used to study this stuff a lot and do a lot of arguing. Your post nails, precisely, how I look at it now.

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20 minutes ago, Oseas Ramos de Siqueira said:

By the way, God is not a name, but a title.  The Word is God, do you understand? 

Yeshua - Yahweh's Salvation. Yeshua is Ya's Messiah. The WORD.

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4 hours ago, Oseas Ramos de Siqueira said:

2 Peter 3: 8 & 3-7

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

From Moses until today has passed around 3,520 years

From Abraham until Moses passed around 430 years

From Adam until Abraham passed around 2,070 years

The sixth Day of Creation ended, we are in the beginning of the first century of the seventh and last millennium or seventh and last Day;

 

Still a simile. 'As' or 'like' denotes a simile, a literary device comparing dissimilar things for effect. If the scripture said "one day for the Lord IS a thousand years for mankind." I could agree. But it does not, so I cannot

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8 hours ago, Oseas Ramos de Siqueira said:

 

Based in the Word of God, the source of the Truth, on God's six Days of creation and one Day of rest (a total of seven Days) plus the Scriptures that teach that one Day is with the Lord as a thousand years (Psalm 90:4; II Pet. 3:8; Heb. 4:4) so MANKIND will go through six God Days of 1,000 years each (a total of 6,000 years) plus a Millennium of 1,000 years rest (now a total of 7,000 years).

In accord biblical Chronology, we can number our days, beginning in Genesis chap.5, as follow::
Adam lived …............................................130 yrs and begat Seth
Seth lived  ................................................105 yrs  and begat Enosh; 
Enosh lived ...............................................90 yrs  and begat Kenan; 
Kenan lived................................................70 yrs  and begat Mahalalel; 
Mahalalel lived .........................................65 yrs  and begat Jared; 
Jared lived ................................................162 yrs  and begat Enoch; 
Enoch lived ................................................65 yrs  and begat Methuselah; 
Methuselah lived.......................................187 yrs  and begat Lamech; 
Lamech lived ............................................182 yrs and begat Noah; 
From Noah´s birth until the Flood..........600 yrs.
Total of yrs from Adam to the Flood = .1,656 yrs.

I work with the Word of God. Notice that the table above is proved by the Word of God, it is not of human theories or human speculations. Let us study the times until our days not by human theories and speculations, but by the Word of God. So,see the table below:

PERIODS OF BIBLICAL TIMES ---------------------------DURATION
I - From Adam until the Flood----------------------------1,656  years (as showed above)
II - From the Flood until Abraham--------------------------427  years
III - From Abraham until Exodus---------------------------430  years
IV - From Exodus until king Saul ---------------------------396  years
V - From Saul until the fall of Jerusalem ---------------------508  years
VI - From the fall of Jerusalem until Jesus --------------------587  years
Thus, from Adam until the 1st coming of Jesus ---------------4,004  years
From Jesus until our days (Christian Calendar)----------------2,018 years
Total from Adam until our days ---------------------------6,022 years

JESUS came in the fourth Day or around 4.000 years after the creation of Adam. From JESUS (fourth Day) until our days, have passed more two Days or 2000 years, totalizing 6 complete Days or six millenniums, or around 6.000 years, more precisely 6.018 years, conform Christian Calendar pointing the year 2.018. We have entered in the beginning of the first century of the seventh and last millennium, or seventh and last Day of God's time, that is the Great Sabbath, the Millennium of Christ, the Millennium of Truth, the Millennium of Judgment, the Judgment Seat of Christ, the Millennium of Vengeance. The world of Devil is already Judged and Condemned, and now, in this seventh and last millennium, it will be punished with strong punishments, there will be only and only punishments in this last Day, the Day of the Lord, the Lord JESUS, King of kings and LORD of lords.

And God Father has already entered in His rest, as He had planned in the beginning of His works, but He is not sleeping, of course, and JESUS assume the government of the Universe. JESUS is now sat on His Tribunal, the Judgment Seat of Christ, to Judge all nations, taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not His gospel, who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the Glory of His Power.

The kingdoms of THIS WORLD are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He will reign for ever and ever. (Rev.11:15)
v.18 And the nations were angry (Gog, and Magog - Rev. 13:1-18), and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and should DESTROY them which destroy the earth. (Woe of them now, even now, and from now on)

Remember: The kingdom of God comes not with observation, neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force. Rev.12:7-11 says: And there was war in heaven (heaven(s) is not the physical space of the Universe-(sky), but celestial place(s) in Christ or Dispensations as is written in Eph.1:v.3) : Michael and his angels fought against the Dragon; (yea, red Dragon - Rev.12:v.3) and the Dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And they (Michael and his angels) overcame him (overcome Satan and his angels) by the blood of the Lamb (by the blood of JESUS, which purifies of all sins), and by the word of their testimony; and they, loved not their lives unto the death. (Yes, unto the death)
Again: The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He will reign for ever and ever:Rev.11:15.  
v.18 And the nations were angry (Gog, and Magog - Rev. 13:1-18), and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and should DESTROY them which destroy the earth. (Woe of them now, yes even now and from now on)

Rev. 5:v.10 - And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

JESUS left very clear saying: Luke 20:35-36 - 
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: 36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

Rev. 20:v.6 - Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. 

In Christ JESUS, King of kings and Lord of lords
 

Ok. I agree with Table 1, it has scriptural backing.

Prove points 2-6 from the second table with scriptures.

Certain scientific studies have placed the age of mankind at 8000 to 13,000 years, give or take.

So sincerely, please prove Table 2, points 2-6 with specific scripture.

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