AMERICA: NEW ROME & BABYLON THE GREAT ("Come out of her, My people...")

[Revelation Man]

56 minutes ago, Last Daze said:

Our views are so far apart that I don't see any benefit in hashing things out for the millionth time.  Things will come to pass as they have been declared, not based on any consensus.  All we have control over is how we respond to the things that come our way.  Our response will be the result of our lifestyle worship of God, not our eschatology. 

The wise virgins built their lives on the teachings of Jesus.  They knew to bring extra oil because they knew Him.

Well I will just put you on ignore then, not only do none of your post ever make any sense, but then you try to always be a wisenheimer. Your true Christ like colors never seem to shine brother. 

[Last Daze]

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

Well I will just put you on ignore then, not only do none of your post ever make any sense, but then you try to always be a wisenheimer. Your true Christ like colors never seem to shine brother. 

That pretty much confirms what I had suspected.

[n2thelight]

On 5/14/2018 at 1:05 PM, Revelation Man said:

No one is CHOSEN, that is an erroneous understanding taught by Calvin. God PREDESTINATED all mankind to Salvation via the blood of Christ because God knowing all knew man would fall. However God choosing who will go to heaven and hell by SELECTING CERTAIN PEOPLE goes against Gods very nature. The problem is to man people follow other men, not God, they have followed Calvin, not Paul who is clearing saying that God predestination is for all mankind via THE BLOOD, some men just reject this free gift.

As per you other POST BELOW :

{{{{{{{{ I feel a lot of Christians will come out of confusion (Babylon) during the tribulation.Not only will we have the two witnesses, we will have the elect preaching against this deception of satan.

I think quite a few will ,when the Holy Spirit speaks through them,when they are delivered up(Mark 13:11),which by the way is the next time true tongues will be spoken. }}}}}}}}} 

Christians will be in Heaven Marrying the Lamb !! Not on earth. Babylon is the WHOLE WORD, Satan's Dark Kingdom, God is calling Israel to come out of her, sadly only 1/3 Flee Judea thus they receive of her Plagues.  

 

Then you don't know what it means to be chosen,the best example I can give is Paul.

Acts 9:2 "And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem."

Paul's free will was to go to the high priest and request letters of authority from him to go to Damascus and to the synagogue there. While there he would look for those men and women that were following the way of Jesus Christ. It didn't make any difference to Saul whether they were men or women, he would bring them bound in chains back to Jerusalem.

There are those that say; "Every man must have free will to select God as his God." That is not true, because there are some people that have a destiny, and Paul happens to be one of them. Paul's free will was to murder Christians. But Christ had another part of Paul to play in His plan.

This goes back to those that were fore-ordained. This applies to the world that was, referring to the earth age prior to this age of flesh man.

 

Ephesians 1:4 "According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love:"

What does it mean to be "chosen"?

It means that there are certain people that God chosen in the first earth age, to do a task for Him in this flesh earth age. This is not reincarnation, for it is appointed for each of us to go through this earth age, the flesh earth age, once and only once. We read; "...It is appointed unto men once to die [in the flesh], but after this the judgment." Hebrews 9:27 This appointing and choosing took place before the foundation of this earth age; the second earth age [cosmos] that we now live in.

"Without blame" refers to the fact that God intercedes in certain peoples lives. Certain people have free will, while certain others are of God's election, however, God doesn't play favorites. Christ died for the sins of all who will repent; the chosen, and the free-will. All must repent for sins they commit, and love the Lord Jesus Christ, to have the hope of His glory.

"Before the foundation of the world", [cosmos in the Greek, meaning world or earth age.] The "foundation" in the Greek text, is the verb for, "the overthrow". This refers to something that happened in that first earth age, before the overthrow of Satan and his angels that followed him. When Satan fell [war against God], one third of all angelic beings [God's children] followed Satan. Then during that war, there were some who fought against Satan, and those who did, God calls "His Chosen". They took a stand, and were overcomers in that first earth age.

Have you ever wondered why you do the things that you do, at times. It's just like you have a destiny. You have always felt their is more to life, and this world, then what you have been taught. Paul addresses this in Romans 8:27. In verse twenty six it says that there are times in your life when the Holy Spirit makes intercession for you because you don't even know what to pray for.

"And he that searcheth the heart knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God." Romans 8:27 These saints are "the set-aside ones", or "the chosen". God has a overall plan, and a purpose in that plan just for you. That purpose is to bring back His children to Him; after that overthrow, and in this earth age.

Why would God intercede in a person's life, without them even asking? When your free-will goes against God's purpose for your life, God will intercede. When Paul's "free will" was to destroy all Christians, God's will was to take this highly educated man, and use Paul as the instrument for Him. Paul used to same drive to destroy Christians, that he used later to convert people, after his conversion.

We read that the Lord said; "...For He is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and Kings, and children of Israel:" Acts 9:15

Ephesians 1:5 "Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,"

"Predestined" means "from a prior time", or "required to do a certain thing" in the Greek text. You have a choice of loving God, or loving Satan. God will not interfere with your free will choice to chose Him or Satan. However, that person that proved himself during the overthrow of Satan, were "justified", or earned the right to be called "saints", from that first earth age.

Each soul comes from God, and enters an embryo at conception. This is why Jeremiah was a chosen one. "Before I formed thee in the belly I know thee; and before thou comest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet of nations." Jeremiah 1:5

"Sanctified" thee, is to "set aside, or apart for a purpose". Sins still have to be repented, and the price to pay for them still had to be made. To the predestined, and fore chosen, God can make life so miserable to those out of His will that they will repent. God has a perfect will, and God is always fair.

"And we know that all things work together for good, to them that love God, to them who are the called according to His purpose." Romans 8:28 This verse is directed to a certain people, with a condition attached. This applies to "them who are called according to His purpose." "His purpose" is called God's plan, and God's overall plan is the offering of Salvation to all. That plan includes the teaching of God's Word; to plant seeds to convict; to live our life for Him; and to go and speak where God leads you. God will use you as it pleases Him.

"For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren." Romans 8:29 God knew you, and what you were in that first earth age; and then [in that first earth age] God prearranged our destiny for this age. That destiny is to make us conform, or be like His Son, Jesus Christ. Though Jesus is the first fruits to overcome death, there are many that have that victory over death, through Christ's death and resurrection.

"Moreover whom He did predestinate, them He also called: and whom He called: He also justified: and whom He justified, them He also glorified." Romans 8:30 "Justified" means "judged" in the Greek text; God judged them there in that first earth age, and that is why God can and does intercede in the chosen's ones lives. The justified are the priests of the Zadok in the millennium age of Ezekiel 40, for the word Zadok comes from the Hebrew word meaning "the just".

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[Revelation Man]

On 5/24/2018 at 10:55 PM, n2thelight said:

Then you don't know what it means to be chosen,the best example I can give is Paul.

Acts 9:2 "And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem."

Paul's free will was to go to the high priest and request letters of authority from him to go to Damascus and to the synagogue there. While there he would look for those men and women that were following the way of Jesus Christ. It didn't make any difference to Saul whether they were men or women, he would bring them bound in chains back to Jerusalem.

There are those that say; "Every man must have free will to select God as his God." That is not true, because there are some people that have a destiny, and Paul happens to be one of them. Paul's free will was to murder Christians. But Christ had another part of Paul to play in His plan.

This goes back to those that were fore-ordained. This applies to the world that was, referring to the earth age prior to this age of flesh man.

 

You of course conflated and discombobulated this understanding. Every man is born into sin and all men thus would REMAIN in sin if not for the grace of God calling us unto repentance. So you saying "Paul's Free Will" was basically sin, well thus all men's free will is thus sin, because we have SIN NATURE. So that basically is just wasted words brother, it made no point whatsoever in reality. 

I understand your point about being CHOSEN and FOREORDAINED, sadly you don't seem to get my point. No one is CHOSEN or FOREORDAINED over anyone else, that is all I am saying because EVERY PERSON is CHOSEN and FOREORDAINED unto God via Christ Jesus blood. Men just chose to reject God sadly. This is proven by Scriptures brother.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance. (God can not lie, He desires for NO MAN to go to hell.)

We are a fallen world, we thus needed a Savior to bear our sins since we are born into SIN NATURE, Jesus has born those sins and thus we are all PREDESTINED by God to have life evermore with God via Jesus Christ. Some just chose not to accept that free gift.

If a Prison has only Death Row Inmates and the Gov. chose to pardon everyone of them and all they had to do was apologize to the victims and ask the Gov. for forgiveness. Thus they all would be ELECTED to have Life instead of Death via a decree by the Gov. 

If 50 out of 200 chose not to receive that Pardon but to die instead, were all not still chosen but chose to reject the Decree ? Of course they were all PREDESTINED by the Gov. for life, but chose Death, thus they never received their pardon but rejected that free gift. This doesn't mean they were nor PREDESTINED for life, they just chose death instead. 

God via Jesus (who was slain BEFORE the foundations of the earth) PREDESTINED EVERYONE to life eternal through Jesus' blood. God CAN NOT LIE, thus when the Holy Word says God doesn't want any man to go to hell, but desires all men to be saved, that is all you need to know. Men then need to understand the scriptures, and many seem confused. God PREDESTINED ALL MEN TO Heaven via Jesus blood, else Jesus died in vain if God was just going to choose some and forsake others. Sometimes I do not get how people can overlook Gods nature. 

On 5/24/2018 at 10:55 PM, n2thelight said:

Ephesians 1:4 "According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love:"

What does it mean to be "chosen"?

It means he CHOSE US ALL, but most reject this FREE GIFT.

If we had a DESTINY and no FREE WILL then God would be responsible for our sins this type thinking is illogical brother. God know what we will choose, but gives us FREE WILL. 

God calls us all unto Him via His Holy Spirit. 

Of course we are called according to His PURPOSE which is Righteousness, why would he want us to love sin? 

On 5/24/2018 at 10:55 PM, n2thelight said:

"For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren." Romans 8:29 God knew you, and what you were in that first earth age; and then [in that first earth age] God prearranged our destiny for this age. That destiny is to make us conform, or be like His Son, Jesus Christ. Though Jesus is the first fruits to overcome death, there are many that have that victory over death, through Christ's death and resurrection.

"Moreover whom He did predestinate, them He also called: and whom He called: He also justified: and whom He justified, them He also glorified." Romans 8:30 "Justified" means "judged" in the Greek text; God judged them there in that first earth age, and that is why God can and does intercede in the chosen's ones lives. The justified are the priests of the Zadok in the millennium age of Ezekiel 40, for the word Zadok comes from the Hebrew word meaning "the just".

He PREDESTINATED all of us to become His sons in the IMAGE of Christ Jesus our Savior. What you guys do is you make God the bad guy without even realizing it you make him a slave driver. He PREDESTINATED US ALL............thus He CALLED US ALL. You just don't quite grasp that brother. 

Gods nature would not be to Create beings only to make them preform to His specifics, else He would have just created certain peoples and not others. Your whole line of thinking goes against God very essence brother. 

Edited May 26, 2018 by Revelation Man

[n2thelight]

11 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

He PREDESTINATED all of us to become His sons in the IMAGE of Christ Jesus our Savior. What you guys do is you make God the bad guy without even realizing it you make him a slave driver. He PREDESTINATED US ALL............thus He CALLED US ALL. You just don't quite grasp that brother. 

God nature would not be to Create beings only to make them preform to His specifics, else He would have just created certain peoples and not others. Your whole line of thinking goes against God very essence brother. 

Gonna ask a question,then continue after the answer.

When do you think you were created?

Why did Christ interfere with Paul?

Edited May 26, 2018 by n2thelight

[Revelation Man]

23 hours ago, n2thelight said:

Gonna ask a question,then continue after the answer.

When do you think you were created?

Why did Christ interfere with Paul?

God created the Universe 13.7 Billion years ago, the Universe is still expanding, did God CEASE CREATING on the 7th Day or is He still Creating? THINK? He Commanded the Universe to come forth 13.7 Billion years ago, everything that still being created came forth from that command 13.7 years ago. Likewise HUMAN BEINGS were created 6000 years ago when God gave men souls. Before, any "HUMAN like Animal" was only an animal, not a Human Being with intellect.  Thus all men were Created when God created the first man, our seed was in Adam, by Adam we all became SINNERS and BY JESUS we MUST all be washed in his blood else we will never get back unto God. 

Paul called Paul like he called YOU !!!  Do you not get that? Every person that gets saved has a Road to Damascus event in their lives !!! 

Christ convenes in all of our lives, if we let him. Paul could have rejected God, but he did not. 

Edited May 27, 2018 by Revelation Man

[n2thelight]

5 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

God created the Universe 13.7 Billion years ago, the Universe is still expanding, did God CEASE CREATING on the 7th Day or is He still Creating? THINK? He Commanded the Universe to come forth 13.7 Billion years ago, everything that still being created came forth from that command 13.7 years ago. Likewise HUMAN BEINGS were created 6000 years ago when God placed gave men souls. Before any "HUMAN" like Animal was only an animal, not a Human Being with intellect.  Thus all men were Created when God created the first man, our seed was in Adam, by Adam we all became SINNERS and BY JESUS we MUST all be washed in his blood else we will never get back unto God. 

Paul called Paul like he called YOU !!!  Do you not get that? Every person that gets saved has a Road to Damascus event in their lives !!! 

Christ convenes in all of our lives, if we let him. Paul could have rejected God, bit he did not. 

Paul's calling was a supernatural event...

Again ,the elect were chosen before the foundation of the world.They were justified then

Ephesians 1:4 "According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love:"

What does it mean to be "chosen"?

It means that there are certain people that God chosen in the first earth age, to do a task for Him in this flesh earth age. This is not reincarnation, for it is appointed for each of us to go through this earth age, the flesh earth age, once and only once. We read; "...It is appointed unto men once to die [in the flesh], but after this the judgment." Hebrews 9:27 This appointing and choosing took place before the foundation of this earth age; the second earth age [cosmos] that we now live in.

"Without blame" refers to the fact that God intercedes in certain peoples lives. Certain people have free will, while certain others are of God's election, however, God doesn't play favorites. Christ died for the sins of all who will repent; the chosen, and the free-will. All must repent for sins they commit, and love the Lord Jesus Christ, to have the hope of His glory.

"Before the foundation of the world", [cosmos in the Greek, meaning world or earth age.] The "foundation" in the Greek text, is the verb for, "the overthrow". This refers to something that happened in that first earth age, before the overthrow of Satan and his angels that followed him. When Satan fell [war against God], one third of all angelic beings [God's children] followed Satan. Then during that war, there were some who fought against Satan, and those who did, God calls "His Chosen". They took a stand, and were overcomers in that first earth age.

All can come,but all were not chosen.

Ephesians 1:5 "Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,"

"Predestined" means "from a prior time", or "required to do a certain thing" in the Greek text. You have a choice of loving God, or loving Satan. God will not interfere with your free will choice to chose Him or Satan. However, that person that proved himself during the overthrow of Satan, were "justified", or earned the right to be called "saints", from that first earth age.

Each soul comes from God, and enters an embryo at conception. This is why Jeremiah was a chosen one. "Before I formed thee in the belly I know thee; and before thou comest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet of nations." Jeremiah 1:5

"Sanctified" thee, is to "set aside, or apart for a purpose". Sins still have to be repented, and the price to pay for them still had to be made. To the predestined, and fore chosen, God can make life so miserable to those out of His will that they will repent. God has a perfect will, and God is always fair.

The elect proved themselves before being born of woman

 

 

[Revelation Man]

1 hour ago, n2thelight said:

Paul's calling was a supernatural event...

Again ,the elect were chosen before the foundation of the world.They were justified then

Ephesians 1:4 "According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love:"

What does it mean to be "chosen"?

It means that there are certain people that God chosen in the first earth age, to do a task for Him in this flesh earth age. This is not reincarnation, for it is appointed for each of us to go through this earth age, the flesh earth age, once and only once. We read; "...It is appointed unto men once to die [in the flesh], but after this the judgment." Hebrews 9:27 This appointing and choosing took place before the foundation of this earth age; the second earth age [cosmos] that we now live in.

"Without blame" refers to the fact that God intercedes in certain peoples lives. Certain people have free will, while certain others are of God's election, however, God doesn't play favorites. Christ died for the sins of all who will repent; the chosen, and the free-will. All must repent for sins they commit, and love the Lord Jesus Christ, to have the hope of His glory.

"Before the foundation of the world", [cosmos in the Greek, meaning world or earth age.] The "foundation" in the Greek text, is the verb for, "the overthrow". This refers to something that happened in that first earth age, before the overthrow of Satan and his angels that followed him. When Satan fell [war against God], one third of all angelic beings [God's children] followed Satan. Then during that war, there were some who fought against Satan, and those who did, God calls "His Chosen". They took a stand, and were overcomers in that first earth age.

All can come,but all were not chosen.

Ephesians 1:5 "Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,"

"Predestined" means "from a prior time", or "required to do a certain thing" in the Greek text. You have a choice of loving God, or loving Satan. God will not interfere with your free will choice to chose Him or Satan. However, that person that proved himself during the overthrow of Satan, were "justified", or earned the right to be called "saints", from that first earth age.

Each soul comes from God, and enters an embryo at conception. This is why Jeremiah was a chosen one. "Before I formed thee in the belly I know thee; and before thou comest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet of nations." Jeremiah 1:5

"Sanctified" thee, is to "set aside, or apart for a purpose". Sins still have to be repented, and the price to pay for them still had to be made. To the predestined, and fore chosen, God can make life so miserable to those out of His will that they will repent. God has a perfect will, and God is always fair.

The elect proved themselves before being born of woman

 

 

You can believe as you so desire but you are never going to change Gods nature. The very thing you say God does, would make him EVIL. 

Edited May 27, 2018 by Revelation Man

[n2thelight]

1 minute ago, Revelation Man said:

You can believe as so so desire but you are not never going tO change Gods nature. The very thing so say God does would make him EVIL. 

Can you make that a lil more clearer

[n2thelight]

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

You can believe as you so desire but you are never going to change Gods nature. The very thing you say God does, would make him EVIL. 

And you never gonna change His Word to fit what you want...